EX Palen : While I agree with your overall point, the Dreamcast despite making some innovations in terms of online play, was a huge flop. Both the PSX and the N64 outsold it by a ton (likely because of the lack of games that followed).

The Gamecube wasn't as successful as the PS2 and Xbox but it didn't do that poorly either (just selling slightly less than the Xbox). Aside from the design of the console essentially looking like a big lunch box (lol) it did do some good things in terms of trying to be different.

I agree more with Eirinn here. I think the success of the Wii was due to it being a fad. IT gave them the wrong idea of what would sell, and that along with some really stupid marketing decisions (such as essentially making a lot of people think the Wii U was an add on to the Wii and not a console). Put them in the spot they're in now. I could see them eventually just focusing on the handheld market if the NX flops. Which has been the thing actually keeping them afloat since the DS/3DS has done much better in terms of sales and appeals to a much wider range of people.

True,the Wii was just a gimmick. Even though the gimmick did not work well most of the time. The handheld market is the only one they managed to keep a stranglehold on. I mean it beat the Sega Game Gear,although I can see why,that thing ate batteries like a fat guy eating cake,lol,it beat the SNK Pocket Color,due to SNK not being huge in America,it beat the PSP,that was due to Sony not really knowing the market and an experimental format that flopped.

Nintendo forgot what made it great in the early days,games that were fun and a willingness to work with others. I do not defend them by any means,but at the same time,they are the last of the original big video game companies. Sony and Microsoft were willing to push the envelope and it paid off for them.

I really worry. While I know Sony has been surviving thanks to its video game wing, the same can't really be said for Microsoft, which has been guzzling money into their consoles and games without much of a gain at all, if I recall. Not sure how much longer they'll really want to stay in that business. And Nintendo can't say the same as well. It really upsets me, because they haven't stopped making good games; they've just made bad consoles.

I'll say once more as well that I don't believe the Wii U's inspiration from the Wii is a mistake. The Gamepad is a very solid gimmick to the console, while not the entirety of games focused around it. It also allowed for some fun interaction between players, although I could never experience those interactions because I don't have people to play said games with. Not to mention, I haven't found someone who's bought the Wii U and been at all disappointed with their purchase, including people who aren't gigantic Nintendo nuts like myself. The overall games library, while small, is filled with plenty of standout games. The problem is, when your marketing even fools me into thinking that the Wii U was a Wii add-on until some plentiful research made me realize otherwise, you messed up.

I'm still going to stick with my guess that if any of the three companies fall from being one of the bigs, it could cause plenty of unbalance to the market. I don't trust ANY of the big three with being alone in the market; it could only spell trouble if a monopoly might be possible.

The whole "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." deal,SWTerra? That is true. And you need competition to drive products and innovation. But Nintendo has gotten lazy and apathetic,coasting on their DS and Pokemon that they think they are untouchable. And it is catching up to them rapidly. The NX could be their swan song. They have had a bad history of being stuck in their ways and thinking they know best. Nintendo needed that slap to the face to show them they are dead wrong.

Oldschool777 : And that's where I say I slightly disagree again. Perhaps it's just my bias, because it is true that my favorite genre of games is the platforming genre, so take this with a grain of salt, but I do still believe that Nintendo has been pushing the envelope still with their games. However, they need to do the same with their consoles. It wouldn't be a massive issue if their games weren't exclusive to their own consoles.

Their 3DS, while also more successful than the Wii U, garnered a lot of a lack of sales due to a horrid launch library, which far from helped matters. However, look at the games that have garnered so much attention. I know you said Pokémon has been pretty uninspired, but I have to disagree for Super Mystery Dungeon, arguably the best in the series for plenty of reasons. Kid Icarus: Uprising is a classic, and no, it won't give you carpal tunnel through its controls. Animal Crossing: New Leaf is my favorite of the series, and I'm pretty certain I'm not alone. Kirby: Triple Deluxe is a standout game in the Kirby series, which says a lot; even people who don't like the series agree with its consistency and grace. It's my second favorite Kirby game behind Amazing Mirror.

Their games have continued to push the envelope, but they HAVE to do the same for their consoles. I have stuck with Nintendo because their games continue to impress me. However, I also understand the reason for why they aren't doing well. I'm not blind. Their fanbase is leaving, and even their more loyal ones are starting to fade. That's a massive problem.

I am glad at least that there's agreement on the fear of corruption. You summarized what I mean perfectly. Absolute power DOES corrupt absolutely.

I love a good platformer too. Many a gamer have cut their teeth on the genre. As I said,their handheld is really their only trump card. Their consoles suffer from lack of foresight and a lack of creativity. All the Wii had going for it was the motion controller,which is only marginally better than the ill fated Power Glove. Now maybe I am just old,but Pokemon just seems the same recycled game over and over again,like the original Mega Man games. I have parted from Nintendo for the Playstation and I am glad I did.

SWTerra : Now that I agree on: Nintendo has some amazing games even today. In fact someone once lamented that Nintendo had made their best games ever for their worst selling console ever. Still Nintendo is learning an important lesson with the Wii U, and that is that you CANNOT have a successful game system that only has first party games. They NEED the revenue from securing third party developers. If they can land that support, the NX stands a small chance of leading the charge to recovery.

Also of note is that without fail, every Nintendo console sells fewer units than the last, excluding the Wii. I believe it was something like 10,000 fewer SNES sales than NES sales, 10,000 fewer N64 sales than SNES sales, and 20,000 fewer GameCube sales than N64 sales. They've been bleeding for decades and it's catching up with them. They need to find a way to stop that, and a powerful system with tons of third party support would do that. Sadly I feel it's too late. I believe Wii U was the nail in the coffin, and that breaks my heart.

As for Xbox One, it is certainly being crushed by PS4, even a diehard fan has to admit that, but also PS4 is just a huge hit and nearly outselling the Xbox One and Wii U combined. Still, the Xbox One (last I heard) is selling more systems than the 360 did. As such I doubt MS will be going anywhere. Their worst case scenario is that their new CEO will kill the Xbox since he's talking abandoning consoles and adopting a model similar to smart phones that release an upgraded version every year. But I agree that even the diehard PlayStation fan that I am, I don't want PlayStation to be the only console maker out there. Competition is what has driven them to do what they did with the PS4.


My apologies if this post seems off topic.

It really is not off topic,Eirinn. We are just basically discussing how stuck in their ways Nintendo are and it is coming back to bite them in the ass. I did read a report that showed that with each new generation,they have sold fewer and fewer units. The Wii was a novelty and the novelty has worn off. It will take much more than a powerful new console and third party support. It would take another way of thinking and doing things from the top on down.

Now if Playstation is the sole survivor,that will be scary. Then we will be talking about absolute power and dominance and I think we all know what is said about absolute power.

At Nintendo

People are basically stealing money from us by making games that probably use our coding! People are emulating our games to make money!? Shut it down they are using material that does not belong to them and it is making us lose money. Shut them down.
 
The reaction of everyone.
 
 Ermahgerd they did something that is lawfully correct! We cannot play our games anymore. May Nintendo burn at the torch.
 
That is how I view this now.

The project in question was not for profit,it was a free to play game and Nintendo stepped in with their lawyers in tow and demanded it shut down. Now if this was a current game,I could understand it but it was not.

I feel like there's a lot of unnecessary hate going on in this thread. Nintendo is in all their right to do stuff like this. It's copyright infringement. That doesn't make Nintendo a bad company, it's potentially saving them from not going into bankruptcy.

Does it suck? Of course, it seem like a good thing.
Could they have handled it in a better way? Absolutely.
Is Nintendo a giant dirt bag and an utterly evil and heartless entity for doing this? Absolutely not. They are in all their full right to do so.

They are doing it the wrong way then. If they want to save themselves,they need to listen to gamers,reinvent themselves,make a console that is not a joke,play nice with third party backers and makers,and change their thinking from the top to bottom. Not bully small sites or independent people that make a fan game with NO INTENT TO PROFIT!

I don't think Nintendo see it from a gamer's perspective. We love and cherish the work they have done, and simply wish to create things as a tribute. They're the only ones making moves like this because they're sinking their own ship and will try any desperate move to bilge as much water as possible. Of course they have the right to do so, but they're not only hurting the people who support them by giving them money in the first place, but also themselves by coming off as petty.

I could not have said it better,Mynamescox44. Lots of gamers have basically ditched Nintendo since they started ignoring gamers. The only things keeping them going are their stupid Amiibo sales,Pokemon and their handhelds. They might migrate to the smartphone arena like a few game publishers have. But that means that more than ever they would have to listen to gamers. All they would have to do is release a couple crap titles for whatever the reason may be and they would be sunk.

Looks like Mario and Sonic might need to find a new home.

I completely understand why people would be angry about this, but we've gotta remember that this is, at it's heart, Nintendo's game. They have the right to do whatever they want with it.
Although, yeah, the fact that it was taken down does really suck.