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Murder Mystery VI - A New Hope - GAME OVER - Snowdeath Murderer Wins

 

01-09-16 09:26 PM
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Question #1 can be easily manipulated.  A person can simply drop by the chat room from time to time without talking with anyone and say they "go in the chat".  The second question is not manipulatable, but it would still be difficult to narrow down the list of suspects.  Anyone could have played a Tony Hawk game and we wouldn't know it.  The last question may be the most insightful, but still is manipulatable.  Someone could enjoy "collecting" retro games on Vizzed, but not enjoy collecting them in real life.  Yet I feel it is the best option of the three, so my vote is for Question #3, "Do I like collecting retro games?"
Question #1 can be easily manipulated.  A person can simply drop by the chat room from time to time without talking with anyone and say they "go in the chat".  The second question is not manipulatable, but it would still be difficult to narrow down the list of suspects.  Anyone could have played a Tony Hawk game and we wouldn't know it.  The last question may be the most insightful, but still is manipulatable.  Someone could enjoy "collecting" retro games on Vizzed, but not enjoy collecting them in real life.  Yet I feel it is the best option of the three, so my vote is for Question #3, "Do I like collecting retro games?"
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Hmm, I'm not sure about any of these questions. Here's the ultimate results for each:

Question 1: Do I go in chat?
This question is kinda ambiguous. Judging by the tense, it must mean that the question is "Do I go in chat in the present", which COULD be helpful, but I think a lot of the users here are frequent chat-goers. If the answer is no, I  think it eliminates a good amount of people, but with the ambiguous tense, 'presently going to chat' could mean different things to different people. If the answer is yes, then it's the same thing.

Question 2: Have I played Tony Hawk games before?
I don't think this question could really help us at all if we have a "Yes" answer. Anybody could lie about playing a Tony Hawk game and nobody would be able to contradict that person, unless they have explicitly stated they haven't played one before, before the game started. If we have a "no" answer, I suppose it could be helpful, considering we could check if anybody has tony hawk games in their game collection, but people could still lie...

Question 3: Do I like collecting retro games?
This question could really hit the nail on the head if the answer is "yes" and the murderer is a close friend of someone in here, because I don't think many people collect retro games in here. If the answer is no, then, well, I guess it could eliminate some people. This question is kind of a wild card I think.

I'm really unsure which question to pick. I surely don't think question 2 is a good choice, so it's between questions 1 and 3 for me. What do you all think?
Hmm, I'm not sure about any of these questions. Here's the ultimate results for each:

Question 1: Do I go in chat?
This question is kinda ambiguous. Judging by the tense, it must mean that the question is "Do I go in chat in the present", which COULD be helpful, but I think a lot of the users here are frequent chat-goers. If the answer is no, I  think it eliminates a good amount of people, but with the ambiguous tense, 'presently going to chat' could mean different things to different people. If the answer is yes, then it's the same thing.

Question 2: Have I played Tony Hawk games before?
I don't think this question could really help us at all if we have a "Yes" answer. Anybody could lie about playing a Tony Hawk game and nobody would be able to contradict that person, unless they have explicitly stated they haven't played one before, before the game started. If we have a "no" answer, I suppose it could be helpful, considering we could check if anybody has tony hawk games in their game collection, but people could still lie...

Question 3: Do I like collecting retro games?
This question could really hit the nail on the head if the answer is "yes" and the murderer is a close friend of someone in here, because I don't think many people collect retro games in here. If the answer is no, then, well, I guess it could eliminate some people. This question is kind of a wild card I think.

I'm really unsure which question to pick. I surely don't think question 2 is a good choice, so it's between questions 1 and 3 for me. What do you all think?
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Honestly i don't really care which question to vote for other another simply because it's so early in the game that it'd be boring to do so. 

I mean if we're being stuipidly cynical...

1. Which chat?
2. There is literally no way to prove this.... unless they magically have the game in their games list on vizzed... and keep in mind it was one of the challenges In the first vizzed camp... so yeah.... 
3. There's a difference between liking and collecting... it sounds stupid i know... but sometimes collecting older things isn't that fun.... especially with the prices...and what precisely is classed as retro... i mean Some ps1 games are like nearly 20 years old....

I have a hunch on who it could be and that's Mvhupsel.... that is all....

but yeah... I'll simply vote for the second one... there's a lot of users who were in camp a few years ago... anyone who took part should mostly have the game in the collection unless they didn't take part in the challenge...tis all... if they play the games in real life meh.... though i wouldn't be surprised that if they did play the game.. they would remove it from their games list...
Honestly i don't really care which question to vote for other another simply because it's so early in the game that it'd be boring to do so. 

I mean if we're being stuipidly cynical...

1. Which chat?
2. There is literally no way to prove this.... unless they magically have the game in their games list on vizzed... and keep in mind it was one of the challenges In the first vizzed camp... so yeah.... 
3. There's a difference between liking and collecting... it sounds stupid i know... but sometimes collecting older things isn't that fun.... especially with the prices...and what precisely is classed as retro... i mean Some ps1 games are like nearly 20 years old....

I have a hunch on who it could be and that's Mvhupsel.... that is all....

but yeah... I'll simply vote for the second one... there's a lot of users who were in camp a few years ago... anyone who took part should mostly have the game in the collection unless they didn't take part in the challenge...tis all... if they play the games in real life meh.... though i wouldn't be surprised that if they did play the game.. they would remove it from their games list...
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Hmmm, let me think for a moment and collect my thoughts....


"Do I go in the chat?"
This question can be manipulative to the point that it'll be believable. However, I feel like you could check who's been in the chat frequently by looking at the logs. Although, I am not sure if it's turned on to where users are able to look at the logs, so I don't really know how I feel about this one.

Have I played Tony Hawk games before?
This one seems like it's easier to guess who it is. However, it can also be a safe question for our murderer. They could lie, and say they have a hard copy of it and download a picture of it from Google Images or something deep within the web. They could also buy the game on here with Viz, and play it a lot. This'll be sure to throw us off, but it could also mean that they're being suspicious since their playing an extremely challenging game that nobody likes.

Do I like collecting retro games?
Okay, so this one is like a in-between. Like the second question, the murderer could be lying and download an image to prove his/her alibi. They could also "collect" the retro games, not play them.



So, all in all, I vote for question #2.
Hmmm, let me think for a moment and collect my thoughts....


"Do I go in the chat?"
This question can be manipulative to the point that it'll be believable. However, I feel like you could check who's been in the chat frequently by looking at the logs. Although, I am not sure if it's turned on to where users are able to look at the logs, so I don't really know how I feel about this one.

Have I played Tony Hawk games before?
This one seems like it's easier to guess who it is. However, it can also be a safe question for our murderer. They could lie, and say they have a hard copy of it and download a picture of it from Google Images or something deep within the web. They could also buy the game on here with Viz, and play it a lot. This'll be sure to throw us off, but it could also mean that they're being suspicious since their playing an extremely challenging game that nobody likes.

Do I like collecting retro games?
Okay, so this one is like a in-between. Like the second question, the murderer could be lying and download an image to prove his/her alibi. They could also "collect" the retro games, not play them.



So, all in all, I vote for question #2.
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Kuti_Kat : I don't think many people will deem the tony hawk games to be overly difficult... it's always been about switching, and manualing honestly.. once you nail that it become simple
Kuti_Kat : I don't think many people will deem the tony hawk games to be overly difficult... it's always been about switching, and manualing honestly.. once you nail that it become simple
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Number 2 seems to be our best bet here. Plus, we've all been in Chat before. So that would only eliminate like...Maybe two or three people at most. Plus number 3 would be awfully hard to prove. So...

Vote: Question #2
Number 2 seems to be our best bet here. Plus, we've all been in Chat before. So that would only eliminate like...Maybe two or three people at most. Plus number 3 would be awfully hard to prove. So...

Vote: Question #2
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Tyrian Delirium : This is unrelated, but why do you use ellipses so much?

Kuti_Kat : "an extremely challenging game that nobody likes." I happen to like the Tony Hawk games

After thinking it over I think 3 would be our best bet. Since I think we all have a general idea of the personality of every user in here, it'd be kinda easier to think about who collects retro games or not. I also have a feeling it will become very useful late-game. I don't understand why people are voting for question 2, considering it probably is the hardest to prove. Also I think most people here have probably played a tony hawk game before.

vote: Question #3
Tyrian Delirium : This is unrelated, but why do you use ellipses so much?

Kuti_Kat : "an extremely challenging game that nobody likes." I happen to like the Tony Hawk games

After thinking it over I think 3 would be our best bet. Since I think we all have a general idea of the personality of every user in here, it'd be kinda easier to think about who collects retro games or not. I also have a feeling it will become very useful late-game. I don't understand why people are voting for question 2, considering it probably is the hardest to prove. Also I think most people here have probably played a tony hawk game before.

vote: Question #3
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Hmm I really don't want to repeat what's already been said but for question 1 I do know everyone on this list has entered it at least once, but the wording of the question "Do I go in the chat" as Tyri has already said "What chat?". Shows how much that question can be manipulated and changed to the murderer's favour. 

It's a pretty hard decision choosing number 2 or 3 because a few of these users did go on vizzed camp and if you see their game profile you can see if they have played Tony Hawk or not so that gives you some evidence but not exactly enough depending on whether they say yes or no. I'd exactly say that 3 might be hard to prove because define "do I like collecting retro games" It might just be me, but I don't think that information would exactly be useful considering what if they say yes, how would we narrow it down? Same thing if they say no.

So all in all I'm going for Question 2 because I feel we could narrow it down a bit more than 3.
Hmm I really don't want to repeat what's already been said but for question 1 I do know everyone on this list has entered it at least once, but the wording of the question "Do I go in the chat" as Tyri has already said "What chat?". Shows how much that question can be manipulated and changed to the murderer's favour. 

It's a pretty hard decision choosing number 2 or 3 because a few of these users did go on vizzed camp and if you see their game profile you can see if they have played Tony Hawk or not so that gives you some evidence but not exactly enough depending on whether they say yes or no. I'd exactly say that 3 might be hard to prove because define "do I like collecting retro games" It might just be me, but I don't think that information would exactly be useful considering what if they say yes, how would we narrow it down? Same thing if they say no.

So all in all I'm going for Question 2 because I feel we could narrow it down a bit more than 3.
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Question 2 seems to be our best bet for reasons already stated.

The murderer can easily dance around 1 and 3 and we wouldn't be any wiser.
Question 2 seems to be our best bet for reasons already stated.

The murderer can easily dance around 1 and 3 and we wouldn't be any wiser.
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Popeye116 : Wouldn't you like to know... I mean i've been writing posts like this for a while... I mean... for me it adds more realism into the way i type and i usually like to type what i think write on the spot.. so me typing elipses is usually when i stop to either breath or think a little bit.... or y'know i have multiple personalites....  it's totes the 2nd one btw... Tyri never lies.. nope... not at all x3

It's also a huge reason why i miss words in sentences.... and will use the wrong variation of a word... though i'd be lying if i said i don't do it on purpose sometimes.. just to amuse myself..... baka
Popeye116 : Wouldn't you like to know... I mean i've been writing posts like this for a while... I mean... for me it adds more realism into the way i type and i usually like to type what i think write on the spot.. so me typing elipses is usually when i stop to either breath or think a little bit.... or y'know i have multiple personalites....  it's totes the 2nd one btw... Tyri never lies.. nope... not at all x3

It's also a huge reason why i miss words in sentences.... and will use the wrong variation of a word... though i'd be lying if i said i don't do it on purpose sometimes.. just to amuse myself..... baka
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I don't think any of the questions gives us good information about the murder. Question one is vague, question two and three are very difficult to prove.

I vote for question 2 as well. It's best choice of the three. We are able to check who played Tony Hawk games on Game Profiles/Collection etc (but sadly not if someone owns/has played a Tony Hawk game in real life).
I don't think any of the questions gives us good information about the murder. Question one is vague, question two and three are very difficult to prove.

I vote for question 2 as well. It's best choice of the three. We are able to check who played Tony Hawk games on Game Profiles/Collection etc (but sadly not if someone owns/has played a Tony Hawk game in real life).
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I'm going to vote for question 1. As it isn't stated otherwise I'm going to assume they mean vizzed chat even so I don't think most people participating frequent many other chatrooms. The question about the minecraft server last murder mystery was asked the same way and didn't seem to make any difference regarding the answer. Since chat hours are logged even though there have been cases of them not being logged, it seems like the best option.
I'm going to vote for question 1. As it isn't stated otherwise I'm going to assume they mean vizzed chat even so I don't think most people participating frequent many other chatrooms. The question about the minecraft server last murder mystery was asked the same way and didn't seem to make any difference regarding the answer. Since chat hours are logged even though there have been cases of them not being logged, it seems like the best option.
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I'm going to vote for question 2. After reading the arguments, I feel it is our best option. It may not reveal who the killer is, but it could give us insight into their personality so it's a step in the right direction.
I'm going to vote for question 2. After reading the arguments, I feel it is our best option. It may not reveal who the killer is, but it could give us insight into their personality so it's a step in the right direction.
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After reading everyone's replies, I think I'll go with Question 2 because it's easier to identify if someone has played it or not. at least on RGR.

To be honest... those are crap questions!
After reading everyone's replies, I think I'll go with Question 2 because it's easier to identify if someone has played it or not. at least on RGR.

To be honest... those are crap questions!
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Which is honestly how it is supposed to be. It's no fun if you can figure out who the murderer is from a single good question.

It's supposed to make everyone think, and for the game to work and be fun, it requires the Murderer to stay "honest" (IE, not choose purposefully misleading questions) and the host (Pacman) to know what is and isn't a fair question for the sake of the game (as it is his job to approve the questions posed).

I know I'm not playing, but as an observer, I'm actually intrigued by how this game will play out, since it's not really all that obvious who the murderer is (and yes, I do know who it is).

I wish both the players and the Murderer luck. This looks like it will have a fun ride.
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Which is honestly how it is supposed to be. It's no fun if you can figure out who the murderer is from a single good question.

It's supposed to make everyone think, and for the game to work and be fun, it requires the Murderer to stay "honest" (IE, not choose purposefully misleading questions) and the host (Pacman) to know what is and isn't a fair question for the sake of the game (as it is his job to approve the questions posed).

I know I'm not playing, but as an observer, I'm actually intrigued by how this game will play out, since it's not really all that obvious who the murderer is (and yes, I do know who it is).

I wish both the players and the Murderer luck. This looks like it will have a fun ride.
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Yeah, I have sort of avoided posting an pick because I'm not sure why people are making such a fuss. If you wanted a question that would give away the game then you'd ask a current Vizzed power level question, or what is your first name.

The game is supposed to take at least a half dozen rounds before anyone can guess who the murderer is. Otherwise the game is pointlessly short.

As for that, I vote for number 2 as well.
Yeah, I have sort of avoided posting an pick because I'm not sure why people are making such a fuss. If you wanted a question that would give away the game then you'd ask a current Vizzed power level question, or what is your first name.

The game is supposed to take at least a half dozen rounds before anyone can guess who the murderer is. Otherwise the game is pointlessly short.

As for that, I vote for number 2 as well.
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After reading all the replies, I think question 2 will probably be the best for reasons stated by other people. Question 1 won't really do much, and Question 3 is... I just don't think it's a good choice.
After reading all the replies, I think question 2 will probably be the best for reasons stated by other people. Question 1 won't really do much, and Question 3 is... I just don't think it's a good choice.
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I vote for question 2...

It just overall makes more sense to ask tbh... Could possibly get us somewhere...
I vote for question 2...

It just overall makes more sense to ask tbh... Could possibly get us somewhere...
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Well... took me a while to reply so I'm sorry everyone, I currently have no internet at home (since the 4th) due to problems on the network in my neighbourhood. It's being a real headache, right now I'm at a friend's house. This thread was made after my internet went down so that's why I didn't reply until now.

Anyways, even though it'll look like I'm just jumping on the bandwagon I'll vote for Question #2 as well, it might not be the most useful one right now but there's a decent chance it could be really useful to narrow things up as the game moves on.

I'll try to show up more often from now but I still don't know when I'll have internet at home again. Forgive me if I take somewhat longer than the others to reply but I'll try my best not to take this long again.
Well... took me a while to reply so I'm sorry everyone, I currently have no internet at home (since the 4th) due to problems on the network in my neighbourhood. It's being a real headache, right now I'm at a friend's house. This thread was made after my internet went down so that's why I didn't reply until now.

Anyways, even though it'll look like I'm just jumping on the bandwagon I'll vote for Question #2 as well, it might not be the most useful one right now but there's a decent chance it could be really useful to narrow things up as the game moves on.

I'll try to show up more often from now but I still don't know when I'll have internet at home again. Forgive me if I take somewhat longer than the others to reply but I'll try my best not to take this long again.
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Final Vote Tally

Question 1: 2
Question 2: 11
Question 3: 3

So the question "Have I played Tony Hawk games before?" will be answered.
Final Vote Tally

Question 1: 2
Question 2: 11
Question 3: 3

So the question "Have I played Tony Hawk games before?" will be answered.
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