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12-10-15 08:18 PM
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Vanelan :   You misinterpret my post again.  I believe that a faith in someone or something can lead to a spiritual awakening, leading to a better self, and in turn, a better understanding of others and their beliefs, but it should not be defined as a word or put in a book, but rather a feeling for self and others.  I have no problem with religion, but I think it separates us as humans, that's all.  Nothing closed minded at all about that.  I respect every persons view on how they wish to live their lives, because, in the end, they are right, and no one can tell us who is wrong
Vanelan :   You misinterpret my post again.  I believe that a faith in someone or something can lead to a spiritual awakening, leading to a better self, and in turn, a better understanding of others and their beliefs, but it should not be defined as a word or put in a book, but rather a feeling for self and others.  I have no problem with religion, but I think it separates us as humans, that's all.  Nothing closed minded at all about that.  I respect every persons view on how they wish to live their lives, because, in the end, they are right, and no one can tell us who is wrong

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Yes it is a waste of time. People want something to believe in and they follow a religion even if they have not done it in years. We seek a place to belong,we want a code to live by,we want a purpose. Religion was created to do one thing only,to control the masses. I want to believe in a higher being,because if humans are the pinnacle of creation,then we are truly screwed. It is okay to have faith,but do not let it control you.
Yes it is a waste of time. People want something to believe in and they follow a religion even if they have not done it in years. We seek a place to belong,we want a code to live by,we want a purpose. Religion was created to do one thing only,to control the masses. I want to believe in a higher being,because if humans are the pinnacle of creation,then we are truly screwed. It is okay to have faith,but do not let it control you.

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I personally do not think that debating religion is a waste of time. It might feel like it to people whose goal is converting (aka winning). However, for those whose sole goal is about learning the religion, the debate is forever energizing. I'm part of that second group. I will debate ever aspect and question proposed by a religion or religious person because I love to learn why people belief so strongly in what they believe in.

As Aristotle said, "A mark of an educated man is one who can entertain a notion without necessarily accepting it."
I personally do not think that debating religion is a waste of time. It might feel like it to people whose goal is converting (aka winning). However, for those whose sole goal is about learning the religion, the debate is forever energizing. I'm part of that second group. I will debate ever aspect and question proposed by a religion or religious person because I love to learn why people belief so strongly in what they believe in.

As Aristotle said, "A mark of an educated man is one who can entertain a notion without necessarily accepting it."

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I think "debating" religion is a huge waste of time as it is something that should not be up for debate. We should encourage open minded discussions about it. I think is great to see how many different views and thoughts people have about creation and life itself. I think we can learn to appreciate other people's "way of life" rather than sit there and go back and forth on who is right and who is wrong; how Earth was created, and finding flaws about each religion using the Bible and other resources. I think that everyone should think and believe whatever they want and we should not try to change their minds or teach them different unless they are open to that. 
I think "debating" religion is a huge waste of time as it is something that should not be up for debate. We should encourage open minded discussions about it. I think is great to see how many different views and thoughts people have about creation and life itself. I think we can learn to appreciate other people's "way of life" rather than sit there and go back and forth on who is right and who is wrong; how Earth was created, and finding flaws about each religion using the Bible and other resources. I think that everyone should think and believe whatever they want and we should not try to change their minds or teach them different unless they are open to that. 

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Personally, yes. I wouldn't mind Religion if people just stuck to their own Religion and left people with other beliefs alone. I hate having to feel awkward listening to a bible pusher tell my why his/her lord and savoir is the best choice for a Religion, I just look at Religion as something that causes more issues then good.
Personally, yes. I wouldn't mind Religion if people just stuck to their own Religion and left people with other beliefs alone. I hate having to feel awkward listening to a bible pusher tell my why his/her lord and savoir is the best choice for a Religion, I just look at Religion as something that causes more issues then good.

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lordbelial669: so you have more of a philosophical perspective in life. I disagree to an extent as to telling people what is good or bad. In a free society we can do only that: tell them  that drinking too much alcohol is self-destructive. We ca not  force it.

Oldschool777 : as I see society most people who believe in a (supernatural) God still use their reason. We (very) rarely see people wanting to kill gays because the bible says so. As for the existence of a higher being... I have yet to see convincing evidence of the existence of such a being.
lordbelial669: so you have more of a philosophical perspective in life. I disagree to an extent as to telling people what is good or bad. In a free society we can do only that: tell them  that drinking too much alcohol is self-destructive. We ca not  force it.

Oldschool777 : as I see society most people who believe in a (supernatural) God still use their reason. We (very) rarely see people wanting to kill gays because the bible says so. As for the existence of a higher being... I have yet to see convincing evidence of the existence of such a being.

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Discussion over differing religions is fine.

Debating or arguing over them seems like a big waste of time. I never quite know what the goal of them is, and I tend to avoid debate over it entirely. Very little ever gets anything done, honestly.

It comes down to the description of what religion is. Religion is based in belief; in other words, it's based in stating something to be there, regardless of the fact that there is no evidence that can solidly dictate one or the other. And no, your holy books are not evidence of your belief, as it is your belief in the first place that gave those books their value. If there were evidence of a certain religion, then it is no longer really a group of faith.
Discussion over differing religions is fine.

Debating or arguing over them seems like a big waste of time. I never quite know what the goal of them is, and I tend to avoid debate over it entirely. Very little ever gets anything done, honestly.

It comes down to the description of what religion is. Religion is based in belief; in other words, it's based in stating something to be there, regardless of the fact that there is no evidence that can solidly dictate one or the other. And no, your holy books are not evidence of your belief, as it is your belief in the first place that gave those books their value. If there were evidence of a certain religion, then it is no longer really a group of faith.

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That is because it was either beaten into our heads from an early age or we have a traumatic experience or we have an epiphany. I would hope there is a higher intelligence than humans. (although for some people,that is not too hard,considering how brain dead some people truly are) That is why you never discuss religion or politics. Both are verbal minefields and someone will be offended.
That is because it was either beaten into our heads from an early age or we have a traumatic experience or we have an epiphany. I would hope there is a higher intelligence than humans. (although for some people,that is not too hard,considering how brain dead some people truly are) That is why you never discuss religion or politics. Both are verbal minefields and someone will be offended.

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Oldschool777 : I know it all too well. As a libertarian I basically offend everyone. And even when I present hard facts there are still unsatisfied people. However, even though it ends up in a "deafs' dialogue" most of the time, discussing politics is essential. It uses more of the brain than religion.

SWTerra : The goal is usually to convert "infidels" by showing them the "true" way. Just look at Jehovahs and Mormons
Oldschool777 : I know it all too well. As a libertarian I basically offend everyone. And even when I present hard facts there are still unsatisfied people. However, even though it ends up in a "deafs' dialogue" most of the time, discussing politics is essential. It uses more of the brain than religion.

SWTerra : The goal is usually to convert "infidels" by showing them the "true" way. Just look at Jehovahs and Mormons

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Well,religion has never been too keen on brains. It interferes with the brainwashing process,lol. Politics,I am not sure uses brains most of the time,I think they are basically meat puppets paid for by special interest groups. Just like some people think Obama has done right by them,most people think he is one of the worst presidents ever. ( I do not like him or his values. I wish those trespassers had gotten to their target.)
Well,religion has never been too keen on brains. It interferes with the brainwashing process,lol. Politics,I am not sure uses brains most of the time,I think they are basically meat puppets paid for by special interest groups. Just like some people think Obama has done right by them,most people think he is one of the worst presidents ever. ( I do not like him or his values. I wish those trespassers had gotten to their target.)

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janus : I only hate discussing politics because most people who bother voting don't care much about it anyway, as unfortunate as it is (or, at least in the states; hopefully elsewhere this isn't the case in democracy or similar political design). And, honestly, most people you talk to are bound to be just as stubborn and boneheaded as anyone you argue religion with.  I've never had one down-to-earth conversation about politics without being continuously cut off and disrespected, as they just say how wrong I am without presenting a lick of evidence. I don't care about being called out for saying something wrong, but it'd be nice if you gave reasoning to that...
janus : I only hate discussing politics because most people who bother voting don't care much about it anyway, as unfortunate as it is (or, at least in the states; hopefully elsewhere this isn't the case in democracy or similar political design). And, honestly, most people you talk to are bound to be just as stubborn and boneheaded as anyone you argue religion with.  I've never had one down-to-earth conversation about politics without being continuously cut off and disrespected, as they just say how wrong I am without presenting a lick of evidence. I don't care about being called out for saying something wrong, but it'd be nice if you gave reasoning to that...

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Oldschool777: I may have been a little too optimistic about that one. True, the heart tends to speak more often - just look at Trump and Sanders. However, when it comes to find constructive solutions discussion is possible. Hell, even Democrats like Ted Kennedy agreed for deregulations in the late 1970s (airlines, trains, trucks). As for me, no president aver is "good"; they all either violated the constitution or attacked their own citizens in a way or another.

SWTerra : People who adopt "the religion" of the state can usually talk reason when their party is not in power. But yes, most of the time the other just tries to "drown you" with rhetoric or shouting
Oldschool777: I may have been a little too optimistic about that one. True, the heart tends to speak more often - just look at Trump and Sanders. However, when it comes to find constructive solutions discussion is possible. Hell, even Democrats like Ted Kennedy agreed for deregulations in the late 1970s (airlines, trains, trucks). As for me, no president aver is "good"; they all either violated the constitution or attacked their own citizens in a way or another.

SWTerra : People who adopt "the religion" of the state can usually talk reason when their party is not in power. But yes, most of the time the other just tries to "drown you" with rhetoric or shouting

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SWTerra :

If a religion claims to have rational belief, can we debate the if the belief is rational or not?
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If a religion claims to have rational belief, can we debate the if the belief is rational or not?

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Txgangsta : Rationality of religion is something rather different. After all, that's really what religion is mostly about, isn't it? It's to make sense of the organized chaos of the universe. How did everything come out to be so perfect?

However, arguing over specifics while using circumstantial evidence seems pretty silly to me, and it's bound to just be a major roundabout.
Txgangsta : Rationality of religion is something rather different. After all, that's really what religion is mostly about, isn't it? It's to make sense of the organized chaos of the universe. How did everything come out to be so perfect?

However, arguing over specifics while using circumstantial evidence seems pretty silly to me, and it's bound to just be a major roundabout.

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Yes. I'm Atheist myself, but if someone's religious, why would I care? I actually have a lot of friends who are religious. If they wanna believe in God, good for them. Not gonna try and force them to think the way I do. Just my two cents.
Yes. I'm Atheist myself, but if someone's religious, why would I care? I actually have a lot of friends who are religious. If they wanna believe in God, good for them. Not gonna try and force them to think the way I do. Just my two cents.

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