First Darkspine Sonic only



had such power due to being connected to the world rings which connect him to the Arabian knights verse and let him control it, he has no such power outside it. Also no Super form ahs demonstrated close to that power.




Also Solaris only lost since his consciousness was attacked in 3 different points in time, THERE IS NO PROOF THAT THE HEDGEHOGS FOUGHT IN INFINITE POINTS IN TIME, JUST ONE IN THE PAST, ONE IN THE PRESENT AND ONE IN THE FUTURE. It is never stated and only assumed by the video maker. They are not 1/3 Omnipresent or 1/3 Omnichronological, and they have no feats ever shown to back that theory, and it is contradicted by continual showings of finite speed.




Now that that's out of the way time to debunk Super form as being "invincible" or having "infinite power".




1.



Knuckles knocks Sonic out of Super form. Some argue he used the master



emerald but there is no proof of this, and there is no proof he can even use it to do that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u62uuCipjFo&index=49&list=FLFmXKgELnG4Li8dxbRtFQYQ
This proves sufficient force can knock them out of Super form, and they can be hurt in it.





2. Eggman catches, restrains, puts in pain and reverts Super Sonic.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUU21ipSrBo&list=FLFmXKgELnG4Li8dxbRtFQYQ&index=47




This proves he does not have infinite reaction speed or "Omnipressence/Omnichronilogical" powers. This also shows he can be physically restrained. This also shows he can be hurt and put in pain.
This shows his form can be reverted and the emeralds taken again.





3. Super Sonic passes out after fighting Dark Gaia with Light Gaia helping him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPBgslvE4d4 This shows he has very real limits in power, and they can be exhausted in battle with a planet level opponent at best.





4. Super Shadow exhausts himself teleporting the ark with Sonic and falls to earth getting amnesia as revealed in a later game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJXXdWgttSY&index=46&list=FLFmXKgELnG4Li8dxbRtFQYQ




This again shows that Super form has very real limits to it's power, and the user will get exhausted eventually. It also shows again that Super forms are not invincible as Shadow got amnesia merely from falling



down to Earth from it's Orbit.





5. It is stated by many of Sonic's friends many times to "be careful" and "watch out" for time eaters attacks, and that he would be "crushed" by time eater if he is hit with his attacks.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgoE8TjqmsU




This again outlines that Super Sonic is certainly not invincible, and can be damaged and beat down with sufficient force, and even all his friends know it.




So in the end there is overwhelming proof that Super Sonic is not "nigh-omnipotent", or "Universal", or "1/3 Omnipresent/Omnichronological", or "invincible", or "has infinite stamina/energy" as I have proven here. Also it is false to say he is on par with beings such as Solaris as I outlined above.




Some debunking on Game Sonic in courtsey of +Elton ヤボイ​ and +Greg DuGalle. …

https://plus.google.com/111094366216215564026/posts/4PrremnSY2f







Debunking Archie Sonic:




"Well,



unlike Sonic fans who have misinterpreted scans, I can prove that Goku at the very least is universal. Meanwhile, Sonic's evil incarnation only claimed that he could spindash the planet Mobius in half. In a later issue, I think chaos Sonic claimed he would effortlessly blow up the moon with finger beams- http://s818.photobucket.com/user/sypher700/media/SuperSonic.jpg.html




. Yeah, if I had the ability to destroy the Earth, why would I destroy



a building? Hell, Scourge bragged about destroying worlds while he fought some of Sonic's friends. Thus putting them at multi-planetary level at that point in the series. I know people will bring up the zone busting feat-
http://s188.photobucket.com/user/thekon/media/Sonic%20the%20Comic/hypvsup8.jpg.html
But I've got a few things to debunk this, lol. Firstly, this- http://media.sonicscanf.org/comics/specials/super-sonic-vs-hyper-knuckles/14.jpg




The same zone as seen in the games, which means that it's at best continent level since the zones in Sonic games are quite clearly not universes and Sonic at mach speeds going through them further proves this. Next, here's a statement from the omniscient narrator after the events of the zone collapsing- http://media.sonicscanf.org/comics/specials/super-sonic-vs-hyper-knuckles/30.jpg




He says not far away, which alludes that it obviously wasn't 92 billion light-years away and maybe not even a few thousand miles away which makes the feat seem worse. Now, let's move onto the Mogul case,it's said he rips apart a multiverse zone, so he ripped apart a multiverse with his bare hands, right? Nope, the narrator quite clearly



claims it's a galaxy-sized- http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/34507/798513-megaversal_sonic1.jpg




But you just said that a zone was continent-size at best and now you're saying it's galaxy-sized, what up with that? A zone and a multi-verse zone are two different things, lol. One holds multiple zones, that's the easiest way I can explain it." https://plus.google.com/111094366216215564026/posts/57NNjTrCYop





Super Sonic is only thousands of times ftl:




https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9F3NYyMy2E0/VZstqJlF3II/AAAAAAAAQ-I/-f_yC5-XCCo/w506-h765/15%2B-%2B1

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/SonicKMC/hypvsup2.jpg










For DBZ:




https://plus.google.com/110233506537878589617/posts/8Po9agR8Lwo





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDoKIm3Xquk





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CTKZIMgDg





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTjCIZXxvoo





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfpfmLYZf_Q





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34szXr-6M6o





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGhdBaNekmM





https://plus.google.com/100710881237554392560/posts/4F1fTykpTAs





http://www.screwattack.com/news/cell-solar-system-buster-0





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD872yk1_6w





http://www.saiyanisland.com/2014/05/akira-toriyama-reveals/





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdLpKXk1VTk





Sources:




http://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guid...





for quotes on Universe and kaioshin realm.





http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewt...





for quotes on Universe and kaioshin realm.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S15Kf...





"No, the entire galaxy will cease to be"





http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/03/03/...





"...he must not anger Birusu, lest he destroy not only the Earth, but the entire galaxy."





http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translation...





"Who was it that sealed the Elder Kaiōshin away in the Z Sword?"

"The



Kaiōshin (who create planets) and the Gods of Destruction (who destroy them) have never gotten along that well, but once every 1,000 years they



go to each other’s realms and hold a coordination meeting. At this time, they got into an argument over some trifling thing, and a certain short-tempered God of Destruction sealed Elder Kaiōshin away inside a sword. Naturally, it wouldn’t have been proper for him to destroy the Kaiōshin Realm itself. By the way, that God of Destruction was Beerus."



http://imgur.com/a/zXRHw


Going



by this,SSjG should be universal to universal+.This makes sense considering Buu was said to be able to destroy the universe in a short amount of time if he was serious about it.





http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111114283/3146598-goku+punch+planet.jpg





"a friend of mine made ​​a calculation taking into account other factors to measure the durability of the planet King Kai.




I'll show you the calcs.




The first calculation is figuring out the mass of the planet using gravity and radius since those are the two things we know.




The next step is Volume, using the radius.




And the third is density using the mass and volume we calced.




I also have links to a few calculators/convertors I checked the answers on.





Rearanged gravity formula to calculate mass instead (had to do short hand got formula from Wikipedia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_gravity





g = m/r^2





m = r^2 x g





Volume formula





V = (4/3) × pi × r^3





Density Formula





P = M/V





*Very good overall calculator





http://web2.0calc.com/





cm/g to m/kg calculator





http://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-density-from-gpercm3-to-kgperm3.html





Density calculator





http://www.smartconversion.com/unit_calculation/Density_calculator.aspx





Volume calculator





http://www.basic-mathematics.com/volume-of-a-sphere-calculator.html





Here's the actual calcs





g = m/r^2





m = r^2 x g





m = 0.0000156961230576^2 x 10





m = 0.0000000024636827904 earth masses





Earths mass = 5.97219 × 10^24 kilograms





5.97219 × 10^24 X 0.0000000024636827904 = 14,713,581,723,998,976





m = 14,713,581,723,998,976 kg





This considers King Kai's planet as 100m radius and 10X gravity.





The small number is the size of King Kai's planets radius in relation to Earths.

volume of a sphere is V = (4/3) × pi × r^3





V = (4/3) × pi × 100m^3 = 4188790.2047863905m^3





This is using King Kai's planet as 100m radius.





Knowing the mass and Volume we can get density.





P = M/V





P = 14713581723998976kg / 4188790.2047863905m^3





P = 3.512608892.9415128417291527 X 10^9 kg/m^3





Density



of a white dwarf star: "The average density of matter in a white dwarf must therefore be, very roughly, 1,000,000 times greater than the average density of the Sun, or approximately 10^6 g/cm3." Which translates to 10^9 kg/m^3. So in other words it is over 3.5 times as dense as a white dwarf star.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_dwarf "





Keep



in mind this isn't the limit of how hard Goku can punch before becoming



a god.He should have solar system+ level punches by scaling.





https://plus.google.com/110233506537878589617/posts/8Po9agR8Lwo





Fat Buu was capable of destroying planets with his breath alone Babidi had too warn him not to breath to hard or he would destroy Earth.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/214/39-012.0/compressed/391201.jpg

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/214/39-012.0/compressed/391203.jpg

Not to mention Frieza or Cold could had destroyed earth with a simple blast .

http://imageshack.com/f/35/friezadestryongwith1bla.jpg





Hell,Recoome deflected Gohan's attack with his breath,& that blast was planet+ level at least.





http://xreader.net/Dragon-Ball/277#11





http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/271089-goku_blocks_trunks_super.gif





"Let's



determine the force behind Trunks attacks first. He easily sliced Frieza (who already had HIGH planet durability. Then had his stats increased with the enhanced cybernetics) in half. So we're looking at a being who literally lived through a planet + spirit bomb, being chopped in half, getting hit by a planet busting Angry Kamehameha, then the explosion of planet Namek, then drifting in space with no food/water for



months, get chopped in half like a hot knife through butter by trunks and his sword. With all this said. I can honestly/legitimately claim that trunks can swing his sword hard enough to destroy earth 100x over(And even that is low balling.)
Yet this 100x earth busting attack can't even damage Goku's finger. Which according to the brilliant math of reviewer03, only possesses 1/1000th of Goku's real power.




I had originally calculated Goku to be able to tear planets apart with full power punches but now I see that all it takes is a simple poke from his finger....




And Sonic enigmas STILL HAVE THE NERVE to claim that DBZ isn't a ridiculously OP show. "





DBZ characters are massively faster than light(mftl).





For those who doubt light speed is ever stated(at 12 minutes & 40 seconds in)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdjtu0QdvmE





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykh9joYnKGg





http://www.comicvine.com/dragon-balls/4055-46445/forums/finally-dbz-time-reaction-has-minimum-quantificati-754608/





http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/243021-kid_goku_laser_dodges_1_super.gif





http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/243018-kid_goku_aser_dodges_2_super.gif





http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149746/3274855-3245560-catch%2Bdragon-ball.jpg





http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/243009-goku_8_arms_super.gif





http://s103.photobucket.com/user/kinasin/media/250661-goku_dodges_taiyoken1_super.jpg.html





http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3071780-8612189208-25066.jpg





http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/250664-goku_dodges_taiyoken_3_super.jpg





http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/576/304833-225121_picmoon1_super.jpg





Shortly before,Raditz dodged a faster blast





http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140518175200/ultradragonball/images/thumb/8/80/Light_of_Death.jpg/185px-Light_of_Death.jpg





http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/243939-radditz_speed4_super.jpg





Speed rises with power:



https://plus.google.com/110233506537878589617/posts/UYQZEFSmfJJ





http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3071808-3769622573-18292.png





"This



statement is called hyperbole. From what basis? From what I saw Burter was able to catch a dragon ball thrown by Vegeta in an instant and return back before even Vegeta could turn back to see their faces.




Mind



you if Goku at power level of 8000 was 8x speed of sound according to screwattack. Vegeta is easily hypersonic here. And Burter moves at faster than Vegeta's eye can see that is atleast 30x the speed of Vegeta.




Since that is expected by science in short distances due to fps captured by eye at max not to mention Burter went long distance we can see supersonic aircrafts at long distances due to increase in vision and focus.





http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124813/2603104-goku_speed3.jpg





Here



Goku proves another speed feat. Not only he hit Recoome (look closely) he also in that shot span of time was not caught by Burter who's faster than Vegeta's eye could see isn't able to detect how Goku reach there.




Now



Burter 30x faster than Vegeta at power level 30,000. And Goku faster than Burter atleast 30x. Goku had 8x speed of sound "travel speed" at PL



8000.





Speed of light= Speed of sound*900





Combat Speed of Goku= 30000/8000*8*30=900 mach+ that is light speed+ at power level 80,000.

And Goku reaches power level of trillions by end we all know





At Namek Saga by travel speed with Screwattacks numbers and "science"





http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124813/2458610-goku_goes_ftl___copy.jpg





Another



remarkable feat. The problem is people don't read manga and judge based



of anime. Specially lowballers. It's pretty much obvious if Goku at PL 100 was supersonic he's way fast in combat speed now. Just because they see slow motion fights means Goku is slow?




And these are common figures of science I used which I used. 
So,more to suggest Goku would be ftl even using Screw



Attack's low balling.Of course I put Goku at ftl in Dragon Ball,so this



goes towards mftl the way I see it.






Skill:




Goku adapted to Roshi & came up with a fighting style to counter him.

http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/04-048.0/compressed/i009.jpg





http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/04-048.0/compressed/i010.jpg





http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/04-048.0/compressed/i011.jpg





http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/04-048.0/compressed/i012.jpg





http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/04-048.0/compressed/i013.jpg





http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/04-048.0/compressed/i014.jpg





http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/04-048.0/compressed/i015.jpg





http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/04-048.0/compressed/i016.jpg





http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/05-049.0/compressed/s002.jpg





http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/05-049.0/compressed/s003.jpg





http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/05-049.0/compressed/s004.jpg





http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/05-049.0/compressed/s005.jpg





DBZ filler AKA the anime is canon.





“Some



of the filler most fans complain about as being non-canon material was actually Toriyama’s idea.”-from Kanzenshuu. “Toriyama: Dragon Ball, it’s the anime and the manga”.





http://www.kanzenshuu.com/production/toriyama/





http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/1226/422453-animeme4_super.jpg





Translation for the photo.





"12:



From time to time, il would happen that people whom I didn’t even know were approaching me about the anime. Things were often said like: “Oh jeeze, between the manga and the anime, you must never take any time to let yourself breathe!". In reality, I had hardly worked at all on the anime, I had put confidence in my collaborators. I had enough to do just with the manga. I didn’t want to work myself to death, you know...





Toriyama: I want to live until I’m 100 years old!





13:



For example, drawing an image of a movement in a manga is relatively simple, but to animate this image, you had to decompose the movement and



draw all the intermediary movements. That demands a colossal amount of work. (Ok, the example of Kame-sennin might not be the most appropriate...)





14: Of course, those who have read Dragon Ball have noticed that certain stories which are found in the anime didn’t existed in the manga.




Oolong: What’s this? I never saw that in the manga....




ENstraight




As one adventure in the manga corresponds to about 10 minutes of animation, and since one episode comprises on average 30 minutes, the entire series of Dragon Ball would have passed by very quickly. The team



of animators therefore had to insert some original stories. I admire what they have done, that’s a hell of a job!




Toriyama: Dragon Ball, it’s the anime and the manga!"





Before any idiots say I'm plagiarizing,me & my friends put this together on G+





Originally from:
Goku vs sonic Debunking Game Sonic: First Darkspine Sonic only had such power…

Also on:
Goku vs Sonic

Your thread wasn't falsly taken down. Never did you mention in your original post that you made this with your friends, and never did you link to the google plus post. Otherwise it will be looked at as plagiarism, as we have no way to tell otherwise. Keep that in mind.

Furret : I linked it at the bottom?What do you think I put that there for? :/
It was even taken down before I could defend myself.

Supermatt6534 : I meant the previous thread that got closed.

Furret : I know,yet I did put the link in the bottom.Now I will appreciate it if you stop talking about something irrelevant to Goku vs Sonic.