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02-10-15 03:56 AM
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Hello all guys/girls. This one may get heated in here because in my experience it always does ( past situations ). So let me set the situation for you and then I will explain why I am doing this and ask my question(s).
You are at the hospital for the like the 30th time to visit a family member who has been very sick. They have been in and out of the hospital many times over the past couple of years. Then out of nowhere you get find out from the doctor that they are dying and have only weeks to live and that the natural death will be extremely painful in the last few days. You are told of possible treatments that may not work or have a really low success rate ( like 10% or less ). You talk with your family member and they express that they would like to end it all ( after saying their goodbyes and making sure their will is in order ). Now as I have forgot to say this already, you are the person the family member signed over power of guardianship ( the person who can decide any issues as far as health care goes and speak for the patient if they cannot .. care, no care, etc.. ). The hospital, doctors, law enforcement, and other family members ( some who agree and some who do not ) decide to get involved when you let them know of the family member's wish to end their life. 
This type of act is a mercy killing, which is the act of putting a person to death painlessly. Victims of mercy killing include persons who are in vegetable state or those who suffer from an incurable and painful disease or condition. In the U.S., Oregon enacted the Death with Dignity Act in 1994 which allows terminally ill patients to end their lives through the voluntary self administration of lethal medications, expressly prescribed by a physician for that purpose. Not sure of the laws now about this but I do know that at the time the state that you are in during this considers it murder not D.D.A. . 

Now to get to the debated part and my question(s) : 
1. Do you know of anyone who has gone through this or been through this yourself ?
2. What do you think about this and what would you do ? 
3. Is it wrong or right to do it no matter what ?

Hello all guys/girls. This one may get heated in here because in my experience it always does ( past situations ). So let me set the situation for you and then I will explain why I am doing this and ask my question(s).
You are at the hospital for the like the 30th time to visit a family member who has been very sick. They have been in and out of the hospital many times over the past couple of years. Then out of nowhere you get find out from the doctor that they are dying and have only weeks to live and that the natural death will be extremely painful in the last few days. You are told of possible treatments that may not work or have a really low success rate ( like 10% or less ). You talk with your family member and they express that they would like to end it all ( after saying their goodbyes and making sure their will is in order ). Now as I have forgot to say this already, you are the person the family member signed over power of guardianship ( the person who can decide any issues as far as health care goes and speak for the patient if they cannot .. care, no care, etc.. ). The hospital, doctors, law enforcement, and other family members ( some who agree and some who do not ) decide to get involved when you let them know of the family member's wish to end their life. 
This type of act is a mercy killing, which is the act of putting a person to death painlessly. Victims of mercy killing include persons who are in vegetable state or those who suffer from an incurable and painful disease or condition. In the U.S., Oregon enacted the Death with Dignity Act in 1994 which allows terminally ill patients to end their lives through the voluntary self administration of lethal medications, expressly prescribed by a physician for that purpose. Not sure of the laws now about this but I do know that at the time the state that you are in during this considers it murder not D.D.A. . 

Now to get to the debated part and my question(s) : 
1. Do you know of anyone who has gone through this or been through this yourself ?
2. What do you think about this and what would you do ? 
3. Is it wrong or right to do it no matter what ?

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It's a good question and I'm not surprised anyone has answered it.  If you want this sort of discussion, CNN is a good place to go or some of the other websites.

I think people can control their own fate and make decisions about their lives as long as they don't put others as risk.  Suicide by cop or suicide by train inconveniences and affects other people.  That's not cool.  If you want to load yourself up with sodium pentothal or whatever they use, feel free because it has no effect on me and what I do in my day to day.

If someone wants to die because the pain of incurable disease is terrible let them die.  It's that easy.  Who are we to say no?

If someone wants do die because someone made fun of them on Facebook..... that's a different story.
It's a good question and I'm not surprised anyone has answered it.  If you want this sort of discussion, CNN is a good place to go or some of the other websites.

I think people can control their own fate and make decisions about their lives as long as they don't put others as risk.  Suicide by cop or suicide by train inconveniences and affects other people.  That's not cool.  If you want to load yourself up with sodium pentothal or whatever they use, feel free because it has no effect on me and what I do in my day to day.

If someone wants to die because the pain of incurable disease is terrible let them die.  It's that easy.  Who are we to say no?

If someone wants do die because someone made fun of them on Facebook..... that's a different story.
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I'm not aware of anyone in my life who would fall into this category.

I am aware of verses in the Bible that tell us not to kill another human being, however, we are also given other laws that have exceptions in certain circumstances. (Such as keeping the Sabbath, if a war happens, you better show up with arms, cause the enemy won't wait.)

I don't think it would be wrong in the situation that you described, but I would pray that I would never have to do something like that. On the other hand, what if a person were to get better? And I had them killed? I couldn't stand that, but then we'd never know.

My biggest fear is that something like this could be manipulated though. Though many laws are manipulated anyways. Still, if laws meant for something good were manipulated to make murder legal for things like inheritance, ect that would be bad.

I doubt that I could really decide Brain Splattered. I guess it's all how you look at it in your mind. Killing an animal the first time in your life isn't fun. But you get through it, and you know why your doing it. I guess if one was reasonable with themselves, and thought they were doing this for the right reason.

I know that most Christian's would not have a problem with one giving their life up to save someone else as a sacrifice basically, which is different from suicide.

Suicide is wasteful, and selfish. Selfish because of how it affects everyone around you.

In the end though, I really don't know what I'd do in the situation you described.

I'd have to think about it more. So, was that helpful? At all?
I'm not aware of anyone in my life who would fall into this category.

I am aware of verses in the Bible that tell us not to kill another human being, however, we are also given other laws that have exceptions in certain circumstances. (Such as keeping the Sabbath, if a war happens, you better show up with arms, cause the enemy won't wait.)

I don't think it would be wrong in the situation that you described, but I would pray that I would never have to do something like that. On the other hand, what if a person were to get better? And I had them killed? I couldn't stand that, but then we'd never know.

My biggest fear is that something like this could be manipulated though. Though many laws are manipulated anyways. Still, if laws meant for something good were manipulated to make murder legal for things like inheritance, ect that would be bad.

I doubt that I could really decide Brain Splattered. I guess it's all how you look at it in your mind. Killing an animal the first time in your life isn't fun. But you get through it, and you know why your doing it. I guess if one was reasonable with themselves, and thought they were doing this for the right reason.

I know that most Christian's would not have a problem with one giving their life up to save someone else as a sacrifice basically, which is different from suicide.

Suicide is wasteful, and selfish. Selfish because of how it affects everyone around you.

In the end though, I really don't know what I'd do in the situation you described.

I'd have to think about it more. So, was that helpful? At all?
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Sure, if they're dying from a terminal illness and wish to pass away before their mind starts to deteriorate, I don't see anything wrong with that. There's quite a few reasons for wanting that.

The recent controversy came from Brittany Maynard, a 29 year old with terminal brain cancer, who wanted to end her life. She was faced with a lot of hate from others for her decision. The uproar disgusted me to be honest.
I wouldn't normally link to CNN opinion, but this is literally the article she wrote about her experience:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/07/opinion/maynard-assisted-suicide-cancer-dignity/ (she died while ago)

If it's someone with a terminal illness who's condition is going downhill, I'm in support.
I think that's all the right-to-die movement was after.
Sure, if they're dying from a terminal illness and wish to pass away before their mind starts to deteriorate, I don't see anything wrong with that. There's quite a few reasons for wanting that.

The recent controversy came from Brittany Maynard, a 29 year old with terminal brain cancer, who wanted to end her life. She was faced with a lot of hate from others for her decision. The uproar disgusted me to be honest.
I wouldn't normally link to CNN opinion, but this is literally the article she wrote about her experience:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/07/opinion/maynard-assisted-suicide-cancer-dignity/ (she died while ago)

If it's someone with a terminal illness who's condition is going downhill, I'm in support.
I think that's all the right-to-die movement was after.
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Brain-Splattered : Dude, this is an extremely tough subject for me. I really have no idea. First off, no I can't say that I know anyone in this situation. Second, I would not know what to do. I would want to make sure that I'm not ruining anything, first off, like say the doctors were wrong, and then I just go ahead and sign, ugh! That would be so terrible. I can understand a person's wish to die, but I do not think that I would be able to do anything. I would be feeling as though I killed someone, and would probably feel as though I was looking over my shoulder the rest of my life. But on the other hand, inaction wouldn't make me innocent if it were wrong. OY! I really feel that if someone expressed the wish to die, it really is not their choice...after all I believe that GOD is the one who gives life. But who am I to interfere with the wishes of someone else. I believe that in order for me to do something like that, I would need assurance from the LORD (in some fashion that I would be doing the right thing.) This subject is sooooo hard for me. I really just don't have a clear cut answer. Sorry for not being able to be more direct.
Brain-Splattered : Dude, this is an extremely tough subject for me. I really have no idea. First off, no I can't say that I know anyone in this situation. Second, I would not know what to do. I would want to make sure that I'm not ruining anything, first off, like say the doctors were wrong, and then I just go ahead and sign, ugh! That would be so terrible. I can understand a person's wish to die, but I do not think that I would be able to do anything. I would be feeling as though I killed someone, and would probably feel as though I was looking over my shoulder the rest of my life. But on the other hand, inaction wouldn't make me innocent if it were wrong. OY! I really feel that if someone expressed the wish to die, it really is not their choice...after all I believe that GOD is the one who gives life. But who am I to interfere with the wishes of someone else. I believe that in order for me to do something like that, I would need assurance from the LORD (in some fashion that I would be doing the right thing.) This subject is sooooo hard for me. I really just don't have a clear cut answer. Sorry for not being able to be more direct.
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