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12-01-14 09:07 PM
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In Star Wars, Episode II, the Republic was facing an armed force of united star Systems across the Galaxy forming the Separatist Alliance and willing to wage war on the Republic.

Yoda on his Way To Geonosis, picked up the Clone Army and oversaw their power in action.

Able to think and react as true life forms, they proved much smarter than their mechanical counterparts, though less expendable, taking 10 years to grow more, and needing food + a lot more upkeep being advanced life forms.

In the end, the Clone wars were won because of them, but here's something I haven't thought much on, and maybe here on earth we'll ask the same question someday.

Was it the right thing to use the clone troopers? Or create them?


I think that life is precious, and irregardless, all human life when created has a purpose. Humans were naturally meant to be conceived by their parents and raised in a loving family who would contribute to their development. As of such, I see the idea of clone troopers being kept from a lot of things that a lot of us do have, and really honestly needed to become who we were. Although, in the end, you, as a person, with you mind, can decide you destiny, and CHOOSE to do what's best for yourself and others.

No, this doesn't mean, you can create your own little bubble of reality, it means you can FIND THE TRUTH. (There's only one truth, and truth is not relative to your mind!)

*cough, cough cough*

It that's clear now then.


This could cause a lot of mental issues to spawn within a clone's mind, or reduce them to something less than human, and as a result cause them a lot of trauma. Yet they all handle it like men, which was one neat thing that we can learn from them.

I'm not saying that the Clone Troopers were bad people, or that they should be destroyed.

And I think that Yoda did the right thing when he brought them to Geonosis, after all, They were already made!

Then, if the Republic was worth defending so much, then I would suggest a draft be initiated to make up for the remaining troops needed, and only use recruits after that.


I guess some people may present the Argument that human cloned soldiers. . .

A. Are better fit for fighting because they are trained all their life for it.

B. It doesn't matter that we are creating them just to do the dirty work for us, because that his how they pay for their existence, by doing what they were made to do plus. ..

C. We could reward the ones who survive and grant them normal citizenship plus payment for their services.


The only real argument I could make about it, is how the clones don't get to live the life we do.

They would be created for our benefit, almost as slaves basically. And it's treating them as lessors.



But they do owe their existence to us on the other hand. Without us, they wouldn't exist. But should Human beings be created for the sake of warfare first? To be raised in jars, have their hormones and many other things tampered with just to make them into war soldiers?

A person is a person, whether conceived in marriage, out of marriage, or out of cloning.


That alone makes them valuable, because of the soul that they carry.


In spite of the advantages that a society may gain because of human cloning, I think that it would deny those who are cloned things that the rest of us get by telling them that they will get their reward later.

In the end, it comes down to this.


A group of people are creating more people in an unnatural way, devoid of parents to fight in wars for them.


This is actually kindof dangerous because potentially.


No loyalty of soldiers to their masters, who may rebel perceiving the injustice done to them. (And some clones actually did this!) I bet a good book could be read about one commander and his entire troop trying to rebel against their jedi masters! Hoping to start a galactic Wide rebellion and create their own identity, and faction!

Anyways, what do you think?

That's all I can think to post of for now. I would summon some friends, But I think that they'll see this on their friends actions, and if they want to respond then they will.





In Star Wars, Episode II, the Republic was facing an armed force of united star Systems across the Galaxy forming the Separatist Alliance and willing to wage war on the Republic.

Yoda on his Way To Geonosis, picked up the Clone Army and oversaw their power in action.

Able to think and react as true life forms, they proved much smarter than their mechanical counterparts, though less expendable, taking 10 years to grow more, and needing food + a lot more upkeep being advanced life forms.

In the end, the Clone wars were won because of them, but here's something I haven't thought much on, and maybe here on earth we'll ask the same question someday.

Was it the right thing to use the clone troopers? Or create them?


I think that life is precious, and irregardless, all human life when created has a purpose. Humans were naturally meant to be conceived by their parents and raised in a loving family who would contribute to their development. As of such, I see the idea of clone troopers being kept from a lot of things that a lot of us do have, and really honestly needed to become who we were. Although, in the end, you, as a person, with you mind, can decide you destiny, and CHOOSE to do what's best for yourself and others.

No, this doesn't mean, you can create your own little bubble of reality, it means you can FIND THE TRUTH. (There's only one truth, and truth is not relative to your mind!)

*cough, cough cough*

It that's clear now then.


This could cause a lot of mental issues to spawn within a clone's mind, or reduce them to something less than human, and as a result cause them a lot of trauma. Yet they all handle it like men, which was one neat thing that we can learn from them.

I'm not saying that the Clone Troopers were bad people, or that they should be destroyed.

And I think that Yoda did the right thing when he brought them to Geonosis, after all, They were already made!

Then, if the Republic was worth defending so much, then I would suggest a draft be initiated to make up for the remaining troops needed, and only use recruits after that.


I guess some people may present the Argument that human cloned soldiers. . .

A. Are better fit for fighting because they are trained all their life for it.

B. It doesn't matter that we are creating them just to do the dirty work for us, because that his how they pay for their existence, by doing what they were made to do plus. ..

C. We could reward the ones who survive and grant them normal citizenship plus payment for their services.


The only real argument I could make about it, is how the clones don't get to live the life we do.

They would be created for our benefit, almost as slaves basically. And it's treating them as lessors.



But they do owe their existence to us on the other hand. Without us, they wouldn't exist. But should Human beings be created for the sake of warfare first? To be raised in jars, have their hormones and many other things tampered with just to make them into war soldiers?

A person is a person, whether conceived in marriage, out of marriage, or out of cloning.


That alone makes them valuable, because of the soul that they carry.


In spite of the advantages that a society may gain because of human cloning, I think that it would deny those who are cloned things that the rest of us get by telling them that they will get their reward later.

In the end, it comes down to this.


A group of people are creating more people in an unnatural way, devoid of parents to fight in wars for them.


This is actually kindof dangerous because potentially.


No loyalty of soldiers to their masters, who may rebel perceiving the injustice done to them. (And some clones actually did this!) I bet a good book could be read about one commander and his entire troop trying to rebel against their jedi masters! Hoping to start a galactic Wide rebellion and create their own identity, and faction!

Anyways, what do you think?

That's all I can think to post of for now. I would summon some friends, But I think that they'll see this on their friends actions, and if they want to respond then they will.





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I think you mean ethical not ethnicity :

But for an answer to the question the Clones were basically grown to fight as soldiers. It wasn't even the Jedi's fault. Sifo-Dyas (a former Jedi Master) had secretly commissioned the Clones for the Republic when he heard of the Sith rising.

The Clones were willing soldiers because it's what they know. There's nothing morraly wrong about it really. It didn't really matter in the end because the Clones were all apart of the Sith's plan.
I think you mean ethical not ethnicity :

But for an answer to the question the Clones were basically grown to fight as soldiers. It wasn't even the Jedi's fault. Sifo-Dyas (a former Jedi Master) had secretly commissioned the Clones for the Republic when he heard of the Sith rising.

The Clones were willing soldiers because it's what they know. There's nothing morraly wrong about it really. It didn't really matter in the end because the Clones were all apart of the Sith's plan.
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Hah, you threw me with the 'ethnicity' thing too. 

I have to say...yeah, I can't see a 'bad' side to using them. They were created to be warriors. They're 'tools' and you use a tool for it's intended purpose. There's nothing morally wrong with using a hammer to hit a nail with; using genetically engineered super-soldiers to fight wouldn't be wrong.

Now, creating them in the first place, that's where the question of ethics comes into play. Is it wrong to clone things? My answer is: I dunno yet. It comes down to if the clones are people, and that's a question that's way over my head.

But, y'know, if they're already there and you really could use a big army to fight with....I'd have used them too.

Too bad it turned out to be just another nasty trick, but at least the idea was good to start with.
Hah, you threw me with the 'ethnicity' thing too. 

I have to say...yeah, I can't see a 'bad' side to using them. They were created to be warriors. They're 'tools' and you use a tool for it's intended purpose. There's nothing morally wrong with using a hammer to hit a nail with; using genetically engineered super-soldiers to fight wouldn't be wrong.

Now, creating them in the first place, that's where the question of ethics comes into play. Is it wrong to clone things? My answer is: I dunno yet. It comes down to if the clones are people, and that's a question that's way over my head.

But, y'know, if they're already there and you really could use a big army to fight with....I'd have used them too.

Too bad it turned out to be just another nasty trick, but at least the idea was good to start with.
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Well.. Pretty much EVERYTHING was a part of Darth Sidous Plans. So were the Clone Troopers. As Lord Tyranous (Probably misspell but what ever) is Count Dukuu... (that's probably also misspell) was the one who ordered them. YAY TRIVIA!

Let's also not forget that Darth Sidous had the power when ever to end it as he started it. (Or I'm pretty sure) So other than the fact that the clones saved some Jedi to gain trust, even though they were the Republic's army and the Jedi aren't 100% there, then later killed them.
So I say it was a good call for the plot, in a real stand point, yeah. The blue helmets were awesome, so, it's ethnicity or whatever.

 
Well.. Pretty much EVERYTHING was a part of Darth Sidous Plans. So were the Clone Troopers. As Lord Tyranous (Probably misspell but what ever) is Count Dukuu... (that's probably also misspell) was the one who ordered them. YAY TRIVIA!

Let's also not forget that Darth Sidous had the power when ever to end it as he started it. (Or I'm pretty sure) So other than the fact that the clones saved some Jedi to gain trust, even though they were the Republic's army and the Jedi aren't 100% there, then later killed them.
So I say it was a good call for the plot, in a real stand point, yeah. The blue helmets were awesome, so, it's ethnicity or whatever.

 
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