OK I will give you my thoery on how scientists are so confused. I belive that before the FLOOD of the bible there was a hydrogen shell around the earth. With more Hydrogen in the air people would live alot longer, lets say 500+ years. Plants and animals would grow to a humougous size. And lizards keep on getting bigger every year they are around so its feasable that they are just really big lizards. The Dino doctors don't really know what there saying anyway. Like how they found out that the Longneck Dino is just two different one's put together. The suns harful rays couldn't penetrate through the Hydrogen shell making things better to. SO if there was a hydrogen shell there would be alot of mist but no rain. That in my opionion is why there wasn't a rainbow till after it rained. Then after the Flood god decreed that men wouldn't live longer than 140 years or somthing. For things like the Rock layers this is also effected by the flood. FOr example - Scientists have anylized the gulf of mexico down there where the mississippi goes into the ocean. and they say by looking at the sentiment they have determine they think its been flowing for 30,000 years. But if there was a big flood then a bunch of sedement would wash down the river in the flash flood right? and that would account for all of the sedement. And the lack of radiation from the sun would change the rate at whitch carbon seven decays. Peace

By the Bible it is 6000 years old. Should I close this so you can make a new one?

well, I'm on the fence about this one.... the bible points to a young earth, in many cases....

but, the earth itself doesn't....

so, it's hard to say....

Well Geeogree, think about this: We have nothing to compare the world to. I don't agree with every detail of Zylo's ( I think there was a layer of water not hydrogen and dinos did exist). We don't really know how old "old" is.

Also, the big bang theory has some huge holes. I have heard a lot of reasons why the world has to be younger. If you want I could try to gather and post them.

My bad on the 4000 years thing. The bible does talk about huge monsters that walk the earth. It also talks about the Leviathon, which by definition is a fire breathing monstor. UMMMMmmm I'm saying dinosaurs existed, except there just overgrown lizards. Or extict lizards LOL kind-of contradicting myself. But yea thats what I think. Next my theory of UFO's.

Ummmmmmmmmm The hydrogen shell is water ummmm i guess thats what people call it. Water is two parts hydrogen and there are prob enough oxygen down here. Don't know how it works. H2O

Here is a reason that points to a younger earth:

The moon is moving slowly, very slowly away from the earth. Common sense tells us if that is the case then the moon was once closer. So, knowing that 70,000,000 (not even billions of years) ago the earth would of been flooded twice everyday because the moon was so close.

Holes in the Big Bang theory:

A. Where did the thing you "banged" come from? How did it get there in the first place? This goes against a major rule of science.

B. In angular physics there is a rule that states that if a sphere is spinning and pieces come off, then they will spin in the same way. We have two planets in our solar system that spin in a different way than the earth. Venus I think is one, but can't remember for sure right off hand.

C. If there was the small dot then why would it explode? There wouldn't be a reason for that to happen. This violates that major scientific rule again.

Holes in the theory of Macro-Evolution:

A. The human eye. Darwin stated that it was almost impossible for our eye to be created by evolution. We have 137,000,000 (maybe more) light sensative cells in a small area on the back of our eye.

B. Scientist claim they created life in the lab. This isn't true. They created 2 Amino Acids, 20 are needed to make 1 protein, protein forms DNA. Also they had some major things wrong with their experemnet. One Oxygen wasn't in it. Scientists say that our planet has always had oxygen. However, if Oxygen had been present then the product would of oxidised. Two, The solution they made was 98% poisionious, 2% were amino acids. It takes trillions of Amino Acids to make one Cell. The scientist made 2.


Dinosaurs?

A. Yes they are mentioned in the Bible like Zylo said. I believe it is in Job 40 and Leviatan in Job 41.

B. A long neck dinosaur (I forget which) has the same size nostrels as a horse. It couldn't get enough air now. However, if a layer of water was around the outside of the world that would increase air pressure. Also it has been found through science that air used to be 30% oxygen, now it is 20%. So, if air was 30% oxygen and we had double air pressure then the long neck could easily get enough air. We could run for a long time and not be tired. Everything would be different.

That's all for now.

I'm going with the bible.

OK vash I listened to your post in the crazy house. Nice stuff, I will deffintly use it when prooving to someone the earth and humans were CREATED. I find the evolution theory SO lame. Scientist automaticly think believing in God and creation is unscientific, when if they just look around and try making up excuses for everythin they'd see how everything was created. To add to vash's arguments. There is a law in physics, on of the most undiniable, and that is the law of inertia. That law states that things left alone with the law of physiscs will eventualy come to a state of tottal confution and distruction, that proboblility sais that the univers should be disorganised and falling apart. LOOK AT IT. It's one of the most complexes things in that exist, somthing that now one in his/her right mind should think it came from chance.

You are right, I totally forgot about that rule. Things left alone will generally get worse not better. So evolution goes against that as well. The scientific rule I kept mentioning was the rule that every part of science has to have a reason. Evolution and the Big Bang go way against it.

Alos think about this:

Do you believe that George Washington's face on Mt. Rushmoore could of been put there by chance and was caused by errosion or whatever? If you say, "no," then how can you believe that he as a person was left to chance??

Yes! If your walking in the forest and you see a house, will you say, that might of just happend by chance, no you'll say : someone built that. Look how much more complex the univers, earth, humans is/are.

Look at cells. Look what they can do. We have about 50 trillion Cells and each has a 46 strands of DNA. Streched out they are about 6 or 7 feet long apiece. However all the DNA in our body could fit in 2 tablespoons. If you unwound them and put them end to end they would go from the earth to the moon 5 million round trips (this and the next sentence are for one person's DNA). If you typed out your DNA you would have enough books to fill the Grand Canyon 40 times! The probability of ONE DNA being created by chance correctly is 1 X 10 to the 119,000 power.


Oh and the eye has 137,000,000 light sensative cells in one square inch. I made a small mistake before. The eye is to complex to have evolved.


It takes trillions of Amino Acids to make one Cell. The scientist made 2.

HA, yeah the "everything spinnin in the same direction thing is a good point. And that witch thread was just a joke, beacuse if it is good enough for Monty its good enough for me. Just making all the witches and warlocks sweat a little.

Here is somthing my dad told me yesterday so guess I had better tell you. He asked me what was special about water? And I said IDONTKNOW and he said its about the only thing that expands when it freezed, for example if water didn't expand when it froze the ice would sink. Or form on the bottom of bodies of water. Killing all the fish and marine life. Is it all just chance?

there are good explanations for why some planets spin the "wrong way"...

it is entirely possible during the "evolution" of the solar system that these planets were hit by something big enough and in the right way to cause them to spin a different way.... it's all just theory, but it could explain why....


and the stuff that banged is also explained.... the universe is infinite (in time, or at least, has no knowable begining or end).... the universe expands, and then contracts and blows up again.... no scientific law has been broken there....

as for the "small dot".... we don't know, nor can we know what would or wouldn't happen if all the mass in the universe converged at one point and collapsed onto itself.... it is very possible that it caused an explosion.... no one really knows for sure....

as for the life aspect.... I very much agree with that.... evolution is a very bad theory.... I find it hard to believe.... however.... the likelihood of life happening is about the same number as there are planets in the entire known universe... and that number is ever growing....

so, the likelihood that life would spring up on just one of the planets, is possible.... we may be a very very very rare thing in the universe....

I'm just saying, it is possible, but not plausible....

and NO, I don't agree with the theories, I'm just playing devil's advocate and pointing out some counter arguments

OK on the whole spinning thing, I think it would be impossible for there to be huge collisions that would change the rotation of planets and moons without disrupting the planets perfect harmony. Even if the balance of things are changed and/or altered a little bit it would produce catastrauphic consequences. A verse in the bible says let nature be a witness for the proof that god exists. Mabey Vash could help me out on that since he knows alot about the bible. We all seem to think pretty much the same thing... where is Jin?

Originally posted by geeogree

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there are good explanations for why some planets spin the "wrong way"...

it is entirely possible during the "evolution" of the solar system that these planets were hit by something big enough and in the right way to cause them to spin a different way.... it's all just theory, but it could explain why....


and the stuff that banged is also explained.... the universe is infinite (in time, or at least, has no knowable begining or end).... the universe expands, and then contracts and blows up again.... no scientific law has been broken there....

as for the "small dot".... we don't know, nor can we know what would or wouldn't happen if all the mass in the universe converged at one point and collapsed onto itself.... it is very possible that it caused an explosion.... no one really knows for sure....

as for the life aspect.... I very much agree with that.... evolution is a very bad theory.... I find it hard to believe.... however.... the likelihood of life happening is about the same number as there are planets in the entire known universe... and that number is ever growing....

so, the likelihood that life would spring up on just one of the planets, is possible.... we may be a very very very rare thing in the universe....

I'm just saying, it is possible, but not plausible....

and NO, I don't agree with the theories, I'm just playing devil's advocate and pointing out some counter arguments

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On the spinning thing Zylo is more or less right, there is a rule (in science) that after a certain probability of something happening( I think it is 1 X 10 to the 56th power) that it is impossible for it to happen. I would think that that probability of something hitting them in a that way would be beyond that that number.

The dot, even if they say there was a universe before this one we still come back to where the dot came from. There is no reason for there to even be a dot to begin with.

This planet is perfect for life to live on, conincidence? No, I think that would go past the probability number as well. If our planet was a little closer then, we would burn up, a little farther away, freeze.

Also think about this, they say that the Universe started about 18-20 billion years ago. How can they pick this number? How do they know, were they there? Do they have ANY concrete proof? No.

Originally posted by Zylo

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where is Jin?

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He left

Why did he leave?

he just left okay... it's in one of the old threads.... look at some of his later posts...


Vash: I agree with you, I'm just saying that they do try to come up with explanations.... no matter how far fetched they might be....

I just use THEIR rules to pull apart their reasons they use.

Originally posted by Zylo

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OK on the whole spinning thing, I think it would be impossible for there to be huge collisions that would change the rotation of planets and moons without disrupting the planets perfect harmony. Even if the balance of things are changed and/or altered a little bit it would produce catastrauphic consequences. A verse in the bible says let nature be a witness for the proof that god exists. Mabey Vash could help me out on that since he knows alot about the bible. We all seem to think pretty much the same thing... where is Jin?

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There is psalms 19:1 But I don't think thats what your looking for.