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10-24-14 01:01 AM
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This is not a topic I particularly like to discuss, but it is very necessary from a Christian point of view. So do you believe they exist? Can Christians be possessed by a demon? Once again, I will give some time for a couple of responses then I will give my take on this. |
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Demons exist, they are simply fallen Angels. Satan took a large host with him, and these are what have become what we know as demons. I don't think Christians can be possessed, as the Holy Spirit fills us, which means they can't be in us as well. Think of it as a cup, you have oil and water, no matter how hard you try, they won't mix. It is the same with us being possessed. . Psalm 150: 4 Praise Him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. ~~Christian Users of Vizzed~~ |
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I agree with darthyoda, demons DO in fact exist. In Genesis, Lucifer was a powerful angel. When he turned his back on God, he took 1/3rd of the angels with him, turning him into the Devil. Though, 2/3rds of the angels stayed with God. Now, after that incident the Lord took away His angels ability to have free will. The reason behind this is He didn't want anymore angels to fall against Him. So it says in this verse: "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;" 2 Peter 2:4 Demons can and will possess people. However, they cannot possess those who put their faith in Jesus. All they can do is whisper in our head, into thinking about committing a sin or ruin our temple of God (which is our body). Now, keep in mind that not every demon who possesses someone has their eyes roll back in their heads or foam at the mouth. Some actually do it in a very slow process, so the host doesn't notice. Here's some verses that might help: "Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." 1 Peter 5:8 "If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are." 1 Corinthians 3:17 "You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!" James 2:19 "When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, but finds none. Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when it comes, it finds the house empty, swept, and put in order. Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they enter and dwell there, and the last state of that person is worse than the first. So also will it be with this evil generation." Matthew 12:43-45 It is very terrifying for those who are non-believers in Christ, because they can find themselves possessed by a demon and not have any knowledge of it. If a demon tries to whisper in your ear, (and this only works if you believe in God with all your heart and saved) say "I rebuke you demons and Satan in Jesus's name!" But you have to say it out loud, because saying it in our mind isn't as strong as saying it out loud. Also, you might want to pray, recite verses, or sing praise songs after you say that. This way they'll stop trying to tell you what to do and go find somebody else they can bother. Keep in mind too that they will come back for you in the future. All you have to do is just repeat the same thing, again. ![]() "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;" 2 Peter 2:4 Demons can and will possess people. However, they cannot possess those who put their faith in Jesus. All they can do is whisper in our head, into thinking about committing a sin or ruin our temple of God (which is our body). Now, keep in mind that not every demon who possesses someone has their eyes roll back in their heads or foam at the mouth. Some actually do it in a very slow process, so the host doesn't notice. Here's some verses that might help: "Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." 1 Peter 5:8 "If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are." 1 Corinthians 3:17 "You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!" James 2:19 "When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, but finds none. Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when it comes, it finds the house empty, swept, and put in order. Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they enter and dwell there, and the last state of that person is worse than the first. So also will it be with this evil generation." Matthew 12:43-45 It is very terrifying for those who are non-believers in Christ, because they can find themselves possessed by a demon and not have any knowledge of it. If a demon tries to whisper in your ear, (and this only works if you believe in God with all your heart and saved) say "I rebuke you demons and Satan in Jesus's name!" But you have to say it out loud, because saying it in our mind isn't as strong as saying it out loud. Also, you might want to pray, recite verses, or sing praise songs after you say that. This way they'll stop trying to tell you what to do and go find somebody else they can bother. Keep in mind too that they will come back for you in the future. All you have to do is just repeat the same thing, again. ![]() -------------------- |
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Kuti_Kat : This is a genuine question, not an attempt to speak against what you said. This is mainly a question I have due to the fact that I have not studied this aspect much. If we become angels after death, and God took away angel's free will, does that mean that our free will is taken from us after we die?
The Devil was around before the first people, and he took many angels with him away from God before he became the devil. So that means there were angels before people. But if people become angels when they die, how does that work? Is there somewhere that discusses God's angels that were not at one point people other than the story of how the Devil came to be? And the last part about how you must speak out loud because it is more powerful than saying something in your head. Does that mean that the prayers of people who are preying silently are less powerful than the prayers of those who are praying out loud? Again, genuine questions that I am curious about. The Devil was around before the first people, and he took many angels with him away from God before he became the devil. So that means there were angels before people. But if people become angels when they die, how does that work? Is there somewhere that discusses God's angels that were not at one point people other than the story of how the Devil came to be? And the last part about how you must speak out loud because it is more powerful than saying something in your head. Does that mean that the prayers of people who are preying silently are less powerful than the prayers of those who are praying out loud? Again, genuine questions that I am curious about. -------------------- Layouts by Pacman |
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rcarter: Sorry for the late reply! I'm jumping from researching about Wacom Tablets to Bible verses, hahah! "Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to usfn they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into." 1 Peter 1:10-12 "I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents." Luke 15:7 & 10 "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" Hebrews 1:14 I think people misunderstand that angels and humans are the same things by these verses: "Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us," Hebrews 12:1 "Are they not all ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" Hebrews 1:14 (Different version of this verse) And yes, there are stories in the Bible about angels not being people. For example, Jacob's Ladder. Jacob had a dream about a stairway connecting Earth and Heaven. Angels were descending and ascending on those steps, and it says so in this verse: "When he reached a certain place, he stopped for the night because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones there, he put it under his head and lay down to Genesis 28:11-12 Notice how it said "angels of God." why not angels and children of God? Reason is angels are servants of God. We, humans, are children of God. Yes, we serve him and yes when we die we go to heaven. BUT when we become a believer in Jesus Christ, what do we become? A new creature in Christ, but what does it mean? For us to understand this, we need to bring out the Greek and Hebrew dictionary. This is because the Bible was written in Greek first and when it gets translated into English or other languages, it looses some of it's content, and information. After translating the word "creature" in Greek Hebrew Dictionary, here are the synonyms to the Greek translation: - being - organism - individual - mortal - person - somebody - someone - soul (here's the verse by the way) "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." 2 Corinthians 5:17 So, it doesn't mean angel. It means a person, someone who has a soul. Humans have souls, not angels because angels are God's messengers/servants. Angels serve God by serving us in a way where they can minister and guide us. Praying in your mind doesn't make you weak, nor does it make you a better Christian or Catholic. But it is best to pray out loud so you won't get distracted. Just like bowing your head and closing your eyes. It is best to do those actions than to keep your head up and your eyes opened. Unless you have a very long attention span and are very good at focusing, then you can do those things. Same thing goes for rebuking Satan and his demons. Now, you can whisper it out loud, and don't have to yell "I REBUKE YOU SATAN AND HIS DEMONS IN JESUS'S NAME!!!" because people are gonna look at you funny if you really do that. There was this one time when my family was praying and I got distracted by a fly that was buzzing around in the room. So, I need to close my eyes and bow my head to keep myself focused on praying rather than inspecting what's going on in the room. Part of this is my own opinion, so you can pray or rebuke in any way you'd like. I can't tell you to do something, only God can. I hope this answered your questions, if not all then some. If you have anymore Qs for me, I'll be willing to answer them! ![]() "Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to usfn they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into." 1 Peter 1:10-12 "I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents." Luke 15:7 & 10 "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" Hebrews 1:14 I think people misunderstand that angels and humans are the same things by these verses: "Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us," Hebrews 12:1 "Are they not all ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" Hebrews 1:14 (Different version of this verse) And yes, there are stories in the Bible about angels not being people. For example, Jacob's Ladder. Jacob had a dream about a stairway connecting Earth and Heaven. Angels were descending and ascending on those steps, and it says so in this verse: "When he reached a certain place, he stopped for the night because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones there, he put it under his head and lay down to Genesis 28:11-12 Notice how it said "angels of God." why not angels and children of God? Reason is angels are servants of God. We, humans, are children of God. Yes, we serve him and yes when we die we go to heaven. BUT when we become a believer in Jesus Christ, what do we become? A new creature in Christ, but what does it mean? For us to understand this, we need to bring out the Greek and Hebrew dictionary. This is because the Bible was written in Greek first and when it gets translated into English or other languages, it looses some of it's content, and information. 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Same thing goes for rebuking Satan and his demons. Now, you can whisper it out loud, and don't have to yell "I REBUKE YOU SATAN AND HIS DEMONS IN JESUS'S NAME!!!" because people are gonna look at you funny if you really do that. There was this one time when my family was praying and I got distracted by a fly that was buzzing around in the room. So, I need to close my eyes and bow my head to keep myself focused on praying rather than inspecting what's going on in the room. Part of this is my own opinion, so you can pray or rebuke in any way you'd like. I can't tell you to do something, only God can. I hope this answered your questions, if not all then some. If you have anymore Qs for me, I'll be willing to answer them! ![]() -------------------- |
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If Demons didn't exist, wouldn't that prove that angels don't exist? Think about it: Satan was exiled with other angels who followed him, but they could no longer be called angels, so what would you call them? Another good question would be where did the term demon come from? Are Evil spirits and demons one in the same? If not, what is the difference? I think we can agree that Satan is not God, thus he needs lackeys to send out, wouldn't he? Then again, God sends angels as messengers, so how exactly do demon work? By bringing chaos into a home or by agitating the chaos already there? I just keep coming up with more questions. In any case, have you tried to talk to a demonologist or an exorcist? They may be able to help you understand with support from the Bible (of course, I could be wrong as I haven't done that myself and have yet to need to). -------------------- |
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SoL@R : I absolutely believe that they exist. They are the fallen angels of heaven and are enemies of GOD and Christians. I happen to agree with Darthyoda, as Christians, we cannot be possesed by a demon, as we are "possessed by the HOLY SPIRIT" So we are actually filled. However, there is one loophole, where I think that a backslidden Christian's possession is possible. The BIBLE makes reference to grieving the HOLY SPIRIT. I believe that it is possible to sort of "choke out" the HOLY SPIRIT by constantly grieving HIM with rebellion. I do think that this would make room for the evil one. Some would not say that this is true, and believe in a "Once saved, Always saved. And While this is true to an extent, I do believe that we ourselves have the power to choose not to be saved, by giving up on our beliefs and rebelling against GOD. When we believe, we are saved. I am not talking about the momentary doubts that we have all and will continue to experience, but rather a mindset that just decides to refuse GOD and treats JESUS sacrifice as nothing, in a sense crucifying HIM all over again instead of being crucified with HIM if you know what I mean. A demon is a spirit; they are an enemy. More powerful than humans, but not more than the power of GOD that lives in us. We should live in such a way so as not to extingush the flame, so to speak. Now, I am not saying that we cannot make mistakes, what I am saying is that we should not live with the mindset that "Oh, I'm saved, JESUS forgives me, so I can just do whatever I want, because HE understands that no one is perfect" That is what I mean. As long as we live, we should remember Whose we are, and why we live. The tempter stalks about ![]() Seeking whom he may devour. |
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SoL@R : I do believe in Demons. They possess people, and let them to do the wrong things instead of the right things. Remember, all the demons were once Angels, and we have to fight against them. If Demons didn't exist, than all the troubles in this world would be gone... well that's what I know about Demons, in my religion. -------------------- You'll Never Be Ready For Freddy... |
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SoL@R : And they don't have bodies. So they don't experience stimuli. They don't have emotions like we do. They are outside of time. They don't have magical powers. They're not yet in hell. They do have free will. They don't have a Savior. And they despise human beings. I think that's about it. TxGangsta And they don't have bodies. So they don't experience stimuli. They don't have emotions like we do. They are outside of time. They don't have magical powers. They're not yet in hell. They do have free will. They don't have a Savior. And they despise human beings. I think that's about it. -------------------- ![]() The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you; the Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace. |
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If a demon tries to whisper in your ear, (and this only works if you believe in God with all your heart and saved) say "I rebuke you demons and Satan in Jesus's name!" But you have to say it out loud, because saying it in our mind isn't as strong as saying it out loud. Also, you might want to pray, recite verses, or sing praise songs after you say that. This way they'll stop trying to tell you what to do and go find somebody else they can bother. Keep in mind too that they will come back for you in the future. All you have to do is just repeat the same thing, again. 


