Israel is currently under missile fire from Palestinian.  They've been doing this for years, on and off, but it appears that the media decided to gang up on Israel this time, condemning them for firing back. 

The group attacking, called the Hamas, fired 80-100 rockets into Israel on Wednesday. They haven't killed a single Israelite in the attack, and were met with Israel's defense system called the Iron Dome.

Israel retaliated by attacking the Hamas Missile bases and areas of known Hamas Military commanders. The latter is what's getting media attention, as that's on the Gaza Strip.

Since the Hamas is hiding in the Strip, Palestinian civilians are going to be in the way until this is over.

The news, on the whole, is saying that Israel is attacking poor, defenseless civilians, stating all the examples of the women and children that have died in the attack. Israel says they've sent warnings to the area before they launched.

The prime minister of Israel has said A ceasefire is not on the agenda, which probably means this won't stop until Hamas does. I doubt Israel wants to get attacked by Hamas again, so I, for one, don't blame them.

To be honest, the various attacks from 2001-2012 have altogether caused less than 100 Israel casualties, so I'm not quite sure why they keep trying. :

(oh, yeah, minor note,  Hamas almost hit a nuclear reactor with their missiles, but, ya know, Israel's the bad guy)

PhilipDraco : Wow! I can't believe Hamas almost hit a nuclear reactor lol. I think that Israel or wherever the Hamas were attacking was really poor, or had no buildings and just hand-made tepees.
I agree with you, if they can't properly kill too many people they should just stop trying because it sounds like they don't really have very good aiming. I think that's a good thing, but at the same time it could mean catastrophe . What you think about it?

happiness7 :

Actually, while looking this up, I found Israel's made 3d heart surgery holograms, so they're pretty good at tech.

Annnddd I don't think you quite meant what you typed, so I'll just say their are a good number of reasons that Palestinians rarely hit people in Israel. Bunkers in every home, missile interception, and the biggest guardian ever!

PhilipDraco : That's interesting about the holograms, but can the holograms do the surgery? Is the "
Israel's made 3d heart surgery holograms" a link to a website that shows you the holograms? I would like to see it! Is the "biggest guardian" the dome you talked about earlier and is it something that was built like the Great Wall of China to protect native people of the country?

happiness7 :

Yep. they'll take you to the video about it with an article.

Also, All the words like that in my posts are links to back up everything.

PhilipDraco : Okay, thank you. I just watched the holograms, but the sound of my computer is not working, it won't play out loud on speakers and on headphones either.
Man, why all the time we are hearing about other countries bad actions or immature acts? Rarely, we hear about the good things in the news about other countries at least when I used to watch the news. I also go on "msn" to get news, but most of their articles shown on their home page are things that were bad in happening, like someone dying or divorce, or law suits. Do you use "msn" for news and would you say they are the best site to go to for news?

Painting Israel as the aggressor and Palestine as the victim is wrong.
But likewise, painting the Palestinians as the aggressors and Israel as the victim is also wrong.
The fact is, the Jewish population should never have been allowed into the area know as Israel. The land was occupied and it was a blatant theft.
That being said, we are now many generations in, and removing the inhabitants from Israel would also be wrong.
Their are Jews in Israel, and their are Muslims. They both have equal claim to be there, and they both need to sit down and negotiate.
While both sides are putting up barriers, Israel is the main culprit, as they continue to build houses in occupied Arab areas for Jewish settlers, and force back the Muslims in the process.
I always find it baffling, that people could survive and flee, intolerance, violence, prejudice and ethnic cleansing, only to set up a similar state. Sure, Israel is not sending them to the gas chambers, but they are gradually displacing the population and replacing them with Jews. Exactly what Hitler did. he sent Jews and Slavs east to die, and sent in German colonists.
Their is an ever growing faction of ultra orthodox Jews in Israel, stating things like:
1.All of Israel belongs to the Jews, remove the non Jews
2.Do not marry or associate with the non Jews
3.Do not do business with the non Jews
etc etc. The alarming thing about that, is its EXACTLY how the first stages of anti Jewish laws started in Germany. First it was don't marry, then don't associate, then revoke their citizenship, then accuse them of destabilising the state and 'liquidize' them.
A perfect example. Israel is trying to persuade the Arab nomads to settle in purpose built city s. At the same time, they are attempting to persuade Jews to settle in the evacuated areas. Why remove one group and put in another?It is a tactical plan.
The holocaust was a travesty. But the people that do it the biggest dishonour, are the Israelis using it as an excuse for their inhumane actions. Its like black people playing the race card, or me being antin English due to the bad history. None of these people were born into these crimes, yet they act as if its their suffering. Seriously, move on. It was bad, it was wrong, don't spend your entire future dwelling on the past, or the future will be every bit as bad.
Then the Palestinians. Way back before Israel was created, the British actually proposed a two state solution (and Palestine would have been WAY bigger). Israel accepted it, but Palestine refused.
The moderates damage themselves by working with the militant sect Hamas, and whilst there are many illegal Jewish settlements, indiscriminately killing civilians is not right. It certainly isn't deterring Israel, and it sure as hell doesn't gain them international support. Frankly, Hamas probably want Israel to invade to get the worlds attention away from the all important football, and play the sympathy card.
Equally the rocket attacks are great for Israel, because it gives them an excuse to put boots on the ground.
Its nice to think that in any battle, theirs good and evil.
But sometimes their are just two sets of a** h***s.

I was not aware of this before reading this thread. It's kind of sad, really, that Hamas has kept this up. I think Israel is right in attacking back. I mean... 12 to 14 years of attacks? I'd blow a gasket finally too. What I do not agree with, though, it attacking the civilians as well.
You mentioned that Israel claims to have sent advanced warning to the civilians on the Gaza Strip... but do you know how much advanced warning they gave? That might sway my opinion in either way a bit.

thenumberone : People going into another area that is inhabited, and blatantly stealing their land? Never heard of that happening before

EDIT, I kinda changed my mind a little bit.


I'm with neither, But I'm more with palestine than israel for sure. Some things Palestine is doing is Wrong But I do get it. How would you feel when your land gets stolen? But still they are still wrong in some area's. Finally the media is kind of showing that israel is not the good guy here.

Well, I think both countries are wrong with this situation. They keep attacking each other and all that happens is more angry people, more unguilty dead and more wounded people. I don't think Israel should take away land from Palestina but Palestina also shouldn't try to stop them with weapons.

People talk about how it isn't rightfully Israels, cause Britain gave it to the "Palestinians" first.

Maybe,

But can you change your mind after deciding to give something to someone?

I think that there are circumstances that greatly justify that.

Just remember that everyone got their land by taking, or buying it from someone else.

Honestly, I think that it is one stupid idea to say, "You have to give back lands that you took from another country after a war.

If we did that, honestly, what would be left of countries like Canada? Mexico? Various South American countries, and African ones.

It's just stupid.

And it's the U.N. that makes countries do it.

It's a double standard that people force on Israel cause they're bigots.

Sooner or later, you realize power is the only thing that matters in the world, it's great if you want to do what's right, and actually know what that is, (yipeee, weed heads) but, without might, you can't support it. And you certainly can't do it without God on your side.

Israel is attacking people who are attacking them.

Nooooooo really?

Wow! It's just like every other blasted country on this war torn planet!

Wow, retaliate, cuase you're under attack, brilliant idea! WHY DIDN'T you think of this EARLIER?!

If I'm gonna kill something, I would not expect them to just lie down quietly and die. They have every right to fight back, we both think that we're right after all. That's what I expect every single troop who I kill in my video games to do, whether they're a stormtrooper that has been FORCED to serve the Emperor, or a Nord Huscral from Mount And blade warband, and they don't know that they actually are serving the FALSE king, unable to dessert, or even be sure who is right and who's wrong.

No one really "rightfully" owns any land.

Isreal is a country that is under attack.

So, it attacks back.

IT has citizens to defend.

It has soldiers whom it is responsible to take care of.

Maybe they don't have a right to the land that they own, but you can't tell Israel to do one thing, and then let YOUR country do another.

Who owns that land right now? Forget the past, You can go as far back as you want in the past and argue over stuff that we may never know the answer too. Just like a lot of garbage history taught in America, (not to mention how our history books DISAGREE with the history books of other countries, say, Australia?)

History is a tool that the government uses to manipulate events and teach wrong thinking ect and get people to believe what it wants them to believe.

Plus, how far back are you going to go to decide who rightfully owns the said land?

Neandrathal man? (faked BTW)

People take lands, by force, or by trade.

Sometimes they overpopulate them, like the Muslims are in Europe right now.

That's just how it works.

Hooray for the U.N. Once again ignoring basic facts that you cannot change.

war happens, keeping it from happening is great if it can be done that way AND THE PRBLEM CAN BE RESOLVED, otherwise, your just putting more pressure in the pot. War happens because you CAN'T change everyone's minds. And when it does, you better hang on for dear life. Taking your enemies lands solves problems. You force them to cooperate, and then they won't attack you anymore. You're there.

Yes, there can be rebellions, that's why you have to teach them what YOU, what YOUR PEOPLE believe.

Then you make them into friends, and Britain has done this quite a few times in the past. But it DOES require MIANTENANCE.

The reason people rebel, is because you do not take out the roots, and you don't move your own people in instead.

I h8 the U.N.

It tells other countries what to do, when it has no business doing so, it's kinda like a bad mom who nags you instead of giving you some real punishment or something like that- or a mother in law who know's EVERYTHING.

If I was an Israeli, I'd fight for my life. Wouldn't you? You know you would. You'd fight if they were coming to take YOUR family, and YOUR people.

Fights are had cause the issue cannot be resolved.

FTR, I researched this a long time ago, can't remember why, but I thought that Israel had stronger rights to the land than "Palistinians" which may have been brought into existence by the media. I wish I had real reference sources myself, and I wish that others could actually present them as well, rather than just picking a side.

YES, ISRAEL IS EVIL FOR FIGHTING JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE WOULD.

logic.

end,rant. XD

"but it appears that the media decided to gang up on Israel this time, condemning them for firing back." Okay, so does this mean that it's okay to strike first, but not to defend yourself, your country, and your loved ones against the aggressor? Who in their right mind would tell the US we were wrong if we attacked a nation for bombing us? "I know China dropped twenty bombs on your cities, but you should just ignore that and let them attack whenever they want". Uh no.



thenumberone : I can respect your right to an opinion, but why is it wrong for someone to strike back? All Israel is doing is protecting their people. By that logic, when Israel went to war over their territory, the Palestinians should have simply given it to them and not fought. And hey, whatever country you live in only exists because someone took it in a war. It's just how things go. Agree with it or not, it's just the normal way. Every country exists because of this, so Israel is no more evil for it than England, Germany, the US, France or any other nation.



imamonster : Refer to what I said to thenumberone. Every nation exists because the land they're on was taken from someone else. It's no more wrong than Palestine existing, since that territory belonged to someone else once upon a time. Also, that picture is extremely offensive, man. :

And can I ask what is wrong with a nation fighting back when attacked? If your country was attacked by bomber planes from Egypt, would you tell everyone that they should just grin and bear it in hopes that Egypt wouldn't take it as a sign of weakness and strike again? Or would you support them striking back in order to protect your country?

Bring it home some more: if a man shot your friend in the stomach and his/her dad shot the man to stop him and protect his son/daughter, would you say that his/her dad shouldn't have fired back, but should have just let him keep shooting your friend until they were dead, because fighting and shooting people is wrong? This is exactly what Israel is doing here.

rcarter2 :
They weren't the first, and they weren't the last, nor will the last hold the title for long.

Sword legion :
"People talk about how it isn't rightfully Israels, cause Britain gave it to the "Palestinians" first."
No.
Most of the middle east (and the southern Balkans) were sheltered from europeans, due to the fact they were part of the ottoman empire (not that that was a better fate). Unfortunately for the empire, they backed the wrong horse in ww1, and various european nations were granted 'mandates' to 'prepare' these lands for eventual 'independence.'
The people In Palestine remained the same for hundreds, if not a thousand years. The ruling government was all that changed. The controversy is not over the ruling nation, but the removal of native inhabitants. I.E, would it be O.K to remove everyone on the eastern sea board (of the USA) and fill it with native Americans?

"But can you change your mind after deciding to give something to someone?"
Britain, and the wider world (including the USA, FYI) all had a hand in the proccess. Jews were unwanted in many nations, and as jews began to flee europe in the 1930's, many nations (again, including the USA) did not want them coming into their countrys. As a result they were encouraged by many to go to Palestine. After ww2 the large number of jews in palestine (over 30% now) were causing ethnic tensions. Thje UK attempted to stop jews from immigrating there, and jewish militias waged a guerrilla war to try to remove the UK. The UK abandoned its mandate, and as the U.N tried to find a solution, Israel declared itself a Jewish state, and its neighbours invaded. They were not given the country, they took it. And the UN admitted them soon after. However Palestine has had no such luck.

"If we did that, honestly, what would be left of countries like Canada? Mexico? Various South American countries, and African ones. "
Is the omittance of the USA deliberate?
"And you certainly can't do it without God on your side. "
Debatable since separate religions have all won and last on that front.
I skimmed the rest. You are ignoring a lot of the core issues in regards to Israel, that I have already discussed.

Eirinn :

I never sauid striking back was wrong, I stated the way they act toward the non Muslim parts of their population is wrong. This whole thing is avoidable.

"Every country exists because of this, so Israel is no more evil for it than England*, Germany, the US, France or any other nation."
*united Kingdom.

Eirinn : First 1. I'm half egyptian, lolololololololololololol. So everyone will go ''THAT EXPLAINS IT, THE STUPID ARAB!!'' And yeah I apologize it was offending but I just had to show it as it excactly reflects my opinion. I'll edit it. BUT You said '' If your country was attacked by bomber planes from Egypt, would you tell everyone that they should just grin and bear it in hopes that Egypt wouldn't take it as a sign of weakness and strike again?'' My point is, That israel started all of this, I'm NOT saying that they can't defent themselves. But their doing more than just defending. And Please don't fogot that  they blatently stole land from palestine.

imamonster : But again, taking land in a war isn't stealing. Every country exists as a result of these actions, whether directly or indirectly.

And you're Muslim, right? You can actually find in the Qur'an where Allah said that He gave that territory to Israel to inhabit until the end. "Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]." Furthermore, I believe it states that He had "written" them that land (I could be mistaken on the exact word, as I'm hardly a Qur'an scholar). One thing I am certain of though is that Qur'an scholars also believe that Israel has a God given right to be there. My point being that your Holy Book (said with respect) says that Israel does indeed belong there. So what happened in the war when they reclaimed that land is irrelevant, as it also states in the Qur'an that Allah gives lands to whom He will, and removes it from it's previous inhabitants.

This is said with respect toward you and your beliefs (if indeed you are Muslim as I thought), so I apologize if I come across any other way. I'm just curious as to why you would feel Israel had no right to the land if your scriptures declare otherwise.

thenumberone :

I would disagree on the core of the issue. Unless I am misunderstanding what you mean. XD

Yes, I am aware if Israli "terrorism" that took place before it became a state.

And yeah, I did Omit the USA to point out that virtually every other country has done what "we" did anyways. XD

Historically though, how far do you go back? Like I said, you can go back as far as you want, and I'll you'll find is more war, more people not giving land back after a battle.

I'm certain that the 30% that you quoted could be fudged. . . easily. . .

Yeah, they took it, like every other country in the world. What else is new?

And yes, you have already discussed some of these issues, and I disagree with you on what the core is, I'm thinking mostly in terms what should be done now, and who Britain was going to give it too, I did not respond to your initial post here to talk down the points that you already made.

As for Palistinians, I'm not even sure that they exist, almost sounds like Aryians to me, do those really exist? Perhaps "Palistinians" was a new group created just to get a new player on the field that other nations could manage better than Israel. What count's as a "Palestinian"? how about an Isrealite, they lived there a long time ago, didn't they? Oh, and don't worry, before Israel had the country, another people had it, (from war) and then another, and then another.

Who has Isreal right now?

Israel.

Or, do you want to make EVERY country in the planet give back land that it took.

You wouldn't just force something like this on Israel now, would you?

Do you plan to find out who your home country should be giving land back too?

Eirinn : I don't know everything about the situation, And yes I am muslim. i have never completely read the qur'an even though I really want to. I changed my mind a bit I edited my first post. But it's not fair people from palestine. And something I wanted to add:



I have a jewish friend. He is half russian, And half dutch. But he was told when he went to israel that he is half israelian. Which is of course bull. There is no israelian blood in him. They want younger people to think that, But it's not true. Can you tell me how someone that is born in the netherlands, has a russian mother and a dutch, father can be half israelian? I can't

EDIT, By the way thenumberone, I agree with a lot of things you say.

rcarter2 : SHocking right? Also convenient how people are glossing over the fact that the jews were given the land of israel before it was Israel post WWII because you know only 6 million were slaughtered via the third reich and they obviously had no country to call home. But yes palestine should have a claim to land they didn't need as opposed to another group of people who did.