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Do you think Some Trusted Members are being attacked for their TP?

 

06-30-13 10:23 AM
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So the title say i all. Do you think some trusted members are being attacked for their TP?   For example: you lose a lot of trust points for no reason. So apparently i been seeing some new and old trusted members being attacked for no reason at all. They havent did nothing bad at all. Havent broke any rules. And i think its becoming a problem. Dont you agree?
So the title say i all. Do you think some trusted members are being attacked for their TP?   For example: you lose a lot of trust points for no reason. So apparently i been seeing some new and old trusted members being attacked for no reason at all. They havent did nothing bad at all. Havent broke any rules. And i think its becoming a problem. Dont you agree?
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Well, honestly I do agree. I even once saw someone who lost around 11 trust points for no reason in one day. Even at the moment when I became trusted, my trust points went down to 2 for no reason. I just don't understand.

Maybe they should create something new to make it more safe to down rate or up rate people. Like for example: if a site staff member wants to down rate someone, they have to give a reason to the local mods and the locals would have to approve it.
Also when someone gets down rated, they should receive a notification saying why and what they did wrong so they wouldn't do that mistake again. 

Thanks for bringing this up!
Well, honestly I do agree. I even once saw someone who lost around 11 trust points for no reason in one day. Even at the moment when I became trusted, my trust points went down to 2 for no reason. I just don't understand.

Maybe they should create something new to make it more safe to down rate or up rate people. Like for example: if a site staff member wants to down rate someone, they have to give a reason to the local mods and the locals would have to approve it.
Also when someone gets down rated, they should receive a notification saying why and what they did wrong so they wouldn't do that mistake again. 

Thanks for bringing this up!
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supercool22 : Hello there! & How are you Supercool22? .. I'm great!

I've seen this happen on some occasions, it happened to me personally. But, I picked myself up about it and carried on. I've gained 12 more ever since. Staff sometimes take away Trust Points if they feel that the user got Trusted too quick. Also, from what I see, Trust Points are all a popularity contest. People give Trust Points to their friends etc. for the simple reason that they are friends. Staff may recognize this and find it unfair; this may be a reason why they removed a Trust Point.

They are SOMETIMES being 'attacked' for their Trust Points, but it's understandable sometimes. Also, I don't really like the word attack, it's too abrupt. They aren't really attacking the user, Lol.

supercool22 : Hello there! & How are you Supercool22? .. I'm great!

I've seen this happen on some occasions, it happened to me personally. But, I picked myself up about it and carried on. I've gained 12 more ever since. Staff sometimes take away Trust Points if they feel that the user got Trusted too quick. Also, from what I see, Trust Points are all a popularity contest. People give Trust Points to their friends etc. for the simple reason that they are friends. Staff may recognize this and find it unfair; this may be a reason why they removed a Trust Point.

They are SOMETIMES being 'attacked' for their Trust Points, but it's understandable sometimes. Also, I don't really like the word attack, it's too abrupt. They aren't really attacking the user, Lol.

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mohammedroxx3 : I don't really think its fair that site staff need to get local approval for stuff and the locals can do whatever they want. There were some bad locals in the past. 
At first I thought people were asking for trust points . This has happened before and people even bribed others for trust points. I think a good system would be staff have to give a reason for rating someone down then another staff member would approve it. Then the user who got rated down would get a pm saying why they got rated down. But new systems like this have been suggested many times and I don't think they will get added soon. 
mohammedroxx3 : I don't really think its fair that site staff need to get local approval for stuff and the locals can do whatever they want. There were some bad locals in the past. 
At first I thought people were asking for trust points . This has happened before and people even bribed others for trust points. I think a good system would be staff have to give a reason for rating someone down then another staff member would approve it. Then the user who got rated down would get a pm saying why they got rated down. But new systems like this have been suggested many times and I don't think they will get added soon. 
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earthwarrior : i agree. I dont know why site staff need local approval for stuff and the locals get do whatever they want. It like site staff are not trusted enough and need permission to some stuff. Buut were there ever some bad site staff in the past? Before i came.
earthwarrior : i agree. I dont know why site staff need local approval for stuff and the locals get do whatever they want. It like site staff are not trusted enough and need permission to some stuff. Buut were there ever some bad site staff in the past? Before i came.
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I actually must agree with you! Some of the users have been trusted for a long time, and then one day the have all of two left. I think that your solution is good, but the problem with that is some people would be angry if they knew that someone took away their trust point(s). I had all of mine taken away, but I didn't know why or who did that, so I didn't know how I could change. (I have no thoughts about that, I just wanted to say that it happened to me too)
I actually must agree with you! Some of the users have been trusted for a long time, and then one day the have all of two left. I think that your solution is good, but the problem with that is some people would be angry if they knew that someone took away their trust point(s). I had all of mine taken away, but I didn't know why or who did that, so I didn't know how I could change. (I have no thoughts about that, I just wanted to say that it happened to me too)
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supercool22 : Yeah of course. That's what happens when you hire people you barley even know. 
darthyoda: You can tell if you lost trust points by looking at your profile... 
supercool22 : Yeah of course. That's what happens when you hire people you barley even know. 
darthyoda: You can tell if you lost trust points by looking at your profile... 
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But sadly you can't tell why... It's no problem for me, if I lose them okay. I do wish that I could improve what I did wrong though...
But sadly you can't tell why... It's no problem for me, if I lose them okay. I do wish that I could improve what I did wrong though...
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In my opinion is if you lose a TP for doing nothing not fair.
But I also understand that the Staff thinks that an User isn't Trust worthy enough that they must take a TP.
At the begin that I became Trusted I lost 2 TP's for doing nothing! (Yeah sleeping! XD)
In my opinion is if you lose a TP for doing nothing not fair.
But I also understand that the Staff thinks that an User isn't Trust worthy enough that they must take a TP.
At the begin that I became Trusted I lost 2 TP's for doing nothing! (Yeah sleeping! XD)
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Yeah, I mean I just wish that there was an explanation for why you lost one so you could avoid doing whatever you did wrong again, instead of finding it a surprise when you view your profile. I lost a tp yesterday and I don't even know why. I just wish that you could at least know what you did wrong to lose one so you can avoid making that same mistake again and avoid losing trust points in the future. I just hope it doesn't happen again.
Yeah, I mean I just wish that there was an explanation for why you lost one so you could avoid doing whatever you did wrong again, instead of finding it a surprise when you view your profile. I lost a tp yesterday and I don't even know why. I just wish that you could at least know what you did wrong to lose one so you can avoid making that same mistake again and avoid losing trust points in the future. I just hope it doesn't happen again.
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supercool22 : We discuss everything we do with the other locals+ to decide what the best course of action is, we do not get to do whatever we want.

Guys, if someone loses trust points, there is a reason. Just because you didn't see them break rules doesn't mean they didn't.
supercool22 : We discuss everything we do with the other locals+ to decide what the best course of action is, we do not get to do whatever we want.

Guys, if someone loses trust points, there is a reason. Just because you didn't see them break rules doesn't mean they didn't.
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ender44 : Well of course there is a reason, but the problem is the users not knowing why they lost the points. If you went on vizzed one day and you lost points wouldn't you wonder why?
ender44 : Well of course there is a reason, but the problem is the users not knowing why they lost the points. If you went on vizzed one day and you lost points wouldn't you wonder why?
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Nothing new in my book. It's annoying, but that's why only staff gets to take away TP nowadays. So this doesn't happen anymore. As long as you don't PO the mods that is.
Nothing new in my book. It's annoying, but that's why only staff gets to take away TP nowadays. So this doesn't happen anymore. As long as you don't PO the mods that is.
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Yes.  I have lost quite a few, and I can't figure out why! I hate that.
The whole "Trusted to early" thing has happened to 2 people I know.
One of them was Kidd Mac. ( This was before he was banned )
Second was Link Master. ( He had 5 in about 10 days, then he went down to 1 in a short amount of time )


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Yes.  I have lost quite a few, and I can't figure out why! I hate that.
The whole "Trusted to early" thing has happened to 2 people I know.
One of them was Kidd Mac. ( This was before he was banned )
Second was Link Master. ( He had 5 in about 10 days, then he went down to 1 in a short amount of time )

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I totally agree with you. On here. When I became trusted, like I wouldn't evan give it a day before, I lost My trust points. I would say in total, I lost over 5 trust points. Not in a row though. It wasn't fair because I did not commend myself doing anything wrong. In fact I became a much better member.When I lost all those trust points my spirit sank, and I didn't have the urge to evan look at another forum for a few days . I am regaining them back though . I am truly happy that I am becoming more into this site.
I totally agree with you. On here. When I became trusted, like I wouldn't evan give it a day before, I lost My trust points. I would say in total, I lost over 5 trust points. Not in a row though. It wasn't fair because I did not commend myself doing anything wrong. In fact I became a much better member.When I lost all those trust points my spirit sank, and I didn't have the urge to evan look at another forum for a few days . I am regaining them back though . I am truly happy that I am becoming more into this site.
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I actually want to change the system in 1 of 2/3 ways (or all if possible)

1a) force people to give a reason for rating someone. I think if people had to give a reason it would limit how many people voted up or down for no good reason.

1b) giving a rating for no/bad reason could also be punishable. Maybe you could lose a trust point for a bad rating. This would likely be reviewed by the staff (maybe admin only) and the decision could be made at that level whether a rating was valid or not.

2) Only allow staff to rate people. This would limit the number of people who could give trust points but it would also limit the abuse.
I actually want to change the system in 1 of 2/3 ways (or all if possible)

1a) force people to give a reason for rating someone. I think if people had to give a reason it would limit how many people voted up or down for no good reason.

1b) giving a rating for no/bad reason could also be punishable. Maybe you could lose a trust point for a bad rating. This would likely be reviewed by the staff (maybe admin only) and the decision could be made at that level whether a rating was valid or not.

2) Only allow staff to rate people. This would limit the number of people who could give trust points but it would also limit the abuse.
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geeogree :   But if you look.
How often does a staff rate a user up?
Don't the staff rate down the users a lot more then they up rate?
( No, really, could you look at that? I can't so I am just making what people call, an "Educated Guess")


geeogree :   But if you look.
How often does a staff rate a user up?
Don't the staff rate down the users a lot more then they up rate?
( No, really, could you look at that? I can't so I am just making what people call, an "Educated Guess")

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Barathemos : I know from the amount I've looked over the last couple weeks that is really depends on the person. Both staff and non-staff rate differently. Some people focus more on rating people up and others focus on rating people down. It has less to do with being staff or not and more to do with personality.

However, if we did limit it to being a staff only vote then I would make sure people took the time to find someone to give trust points to each month.
Barathemos : I know from the amount I've looked over the last couple weeks that is really depends on the person. Both staff and non-staff rate differently. Some people focus more on rating people up and others focus on rating people down. It has less to do with being staff or not and more to do with personality.

However, if we did limit it to being a staff only vote then I would make sure people took the time to find someone to give trust points to each month.
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geeogree :   But, then the amount of Trusted members would go down. But it would help with a reasonable amount of up rating.

geeogree :   But, then the amount of Trusted members would go down. But it would help with a reasonable amount of up rating.
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Barathemos : Ever since the new system I don't rate people up. I'm not risking myself losing tp to give someone else points. (if I rate someone up then they get rated down I would lose points) If that wasn't in effect then yeah I would rate people who deserve it. 
Some staff rate people up I know for sure. 
Barathemos : Ever since the new system I don't rate people up. I'm not risking myself losing tp to give someone else points. (if I rate someone up then they get rated down I would lose points) If that wasn't in effect then yeah I would rate people who deserve it. 
Some staff rate people up I know for sure. 
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