We have no power in what our gov. does. we merely believe we do. S why would they need our support. we could rally, but not much could change until violence started

While i believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy i have to disagree with their motives. I don't think it had anything to do with encouraging support to invade Iraq, because all that has bought us is a broken economy.

Loose Change 2nd Edition states that the motives behind 9/11 Attacks as well as the collapse of "Building 7" was to move and make Billions upon Billions of dollars. Building 7 was a federal storage facility containing information on federal finances. Furthermore, there is so much shadow and doubt over the attacks. So much doesn't add up.

It's been a while since a 9/11 thread was around and despite the attacks happening almost a decade ago, i think it'd do good to hear peoples opinions of the matter. Thus, i'm not closing this.

A lot of us have changed since the attacks, so everyone, what do you believe?

I believe it was a conspiracy with a motive towards globalization, not freedom as claimed by the media.

To reinstate our trust in Government, this past election had everything from women, to religious nuts, white corporate business men, black men, and the rejects like Ron Paul who were laughed at and criticized the most by the media during the campaigns.

Take a look at this short clip, this is enough to prove 9/11 was a conspiracy towards globalization:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

If you happen to notice, that speech was given on 9/11 1991... 10 years later we got the 9/11 attacks in 2001. In the speech mentions motives of a "big idea" towards globalization, to deny that would be silly.

Also... look at the "World Trade Center's" name. It's all about globalization. Sure some can say it happened for oil, while others say it happened just because it was a random attack, but the most ethical way of looking at it's purpose has everything to do with the global market.

Oh come on guys. There is way to much evidence supporting a planned attack by Al Qaeda. Iv'e heard all of the conspiracy theories and I have to say; they are all uneducated assumptions.

One of the theories is that the Towers fell in a controlled demo style method. But my father works for Nuprecon and I can assure you- These were far from controlled. In a controlled demo, the building breaks apart at the bottom and the weight presses down in a vertically balanced free-fall. But towers 1 and 2 broke apart approximately where the impact was (floor 96 of WTC 1 and floor 75 of WTC 2).

Another theory, supporting the last, (one that bugged me most) is the secondary explosions heard throughout the building after the jets struck. Extremists believe these are demo charges going off, destroying the steel reinforced, cast concrete framework.

The towers were airtight, and when the jets hit, the wings severed the core structure, and jet fuel poured into the ventilation systems, elevator shafts, exposed lower floors and stairwells. The fuel was quickly ignited (most burning up in the initial explosion). But even ignited fuel is still a liquid to some extent and kept spilling throughout the structure.

Every time a window breaks, oxygen feeds these fires, causing the sudden explosions. This isn't a rare event- it happens everyday, in every structural fire.

My favorite is the tower 7 free-fall. Even my dad says it looks like a controlled fall. But he also knows what happens to the structural integrity of buildings near a demo site- It's one of the many factors that come into play when planning a fall.

When a building falls, it creates downward pressure and when that pressure hits the bottom it spreads out 360 degrees around the base. Most of the offices and floors were still airtight, making the pressure more intense. The second this pressure hit the concrete it went outward, throwing emergency vehicles like they were toys. This same pressure caused extensive damage to the columns of tower 7. Debris from the collapse of the north tower caused fires to rage out of control in the lower levels of 7. Fire crews could not get the water to the tower in time and finally a support column on the 13th floor gave way, causing the whole building to collapse on itself.

All of these towers seem to have been demolished manually and intentionally, but we cannot relate it to another instance because this has never happened before. When a high-rise gives way, it will fall vertically, not tilt or snap to the side like in Hollywood... The skyscraper will just free-fall with it's own weight stabilizing it. So it's easy to see why people think they were controlled... And who is to blame? Of course...the government... America's favorite black sheep.

I'm sorry, but anyone who can use this to blame the government is looking for anything and everything to do so. They want to feel as if something was planned.

And about the video, JigSaw- So what if the NWO jumped in after 9/11. Isn't that it's purpose? To maintain peace worldwide? I think it was very appropriate to hold that press meeting after those events. It's better than shutting up and biting the bullet.

No offense to anyone, but this debate strikes deep. I'm sure if the US government (like it's one person or something) has many other methods of motivating our country for war instead of killing 2000+ people in some outrageous, highly organized plot.

Much love guys. Don't hate me, hate my opinions.

i don't believe that the government directly caused 9/11, i do believe that they are indirectly responsible cause of the military training and munitions provided by the U.S. during the cold war
skyscrapers in urban areas are designed to fall vertically to reduce collateral damage just in case that kind of attack happened

i type too slow to catch all of my thoughts, so sorry, my thoughts are incomplete

Al Qaeda was formed by CIA to promote fear so in a way I agree with you... There are three key points that aide in a controlled demolition in the 9/11 attacks.

1. A few weeks before 9/11 there was a timeframe of which there was a crew doing some sort of tasks on the WTC. Everyone was sent home during this timeframe while a group did some sort of enhancements to the WTC.

2. The owner of the WTC just happen to include "Terrorist Attacks" on his property insurance shortly before it happened.

3. Controlled Demolition Inc. based out in NY holds a world record for demolitions, they were also apart of the cleanup crew after the attacks. So you see, conspiracy isn't so farfetched.

What good is war without the hidden agenda? You think all this bloodshed was worth it to find one man? There is always a hidden agenda behind wars like this, especially when there as massive as this. Haven't you noticed the rise in globalization since 9/11? Just look at NAFTA & Obama & the way our system works, two and two go hand in hand.

I'd just like to say, none of it will ever add up. I mean the explosions being bombs is totally wrong, but we'll never be able to undertsand that day. Also, A good video to watch is Nbc's cover of it, i watched it in school and it was kinda heartbreaking.

I have trouble believing that there wasn't a conspiracy involving 9/11....

sure there are some things that can be explained away.... but in the end 2 planes hit those towers and they came down.... and as a result a LOT has changed in our world. We are giving up our freedoms in order to feel more secure. The world is fighting amongst itself more than ever.

I'm sure there is a lot in the theories that are passed around that is wrong. I've found things that are wrong... and I've also found things that I can't explain away. I just have trouble believing that the US is 100% innocent in the whole thing.

I think that federal intelligence agencies are to blame for 9/11, but it wasn't a conspiracy.

@Jigsaw: 1. Is it so strange that at some point a very large building would need construction work done on it?
2. There was intel about a possible attack on the WTC, and there was even an expected time frame for said attack. I'd do the same thing if there was a chance that terrorists would blow up my gigantic expensive building
3. That would essentially mean that they would be best for the cleanup due to experience

If the U.S. government had 9/11 planned and had all these various people involved, don't you think that someone would've found out and done something about it? I think 9/11 was EXPLOITED by our government, but I don't think that they caused it. It would be more credible to say they allowed it to happen

I agree ziggy. At the worst I think the government allowed it to happen. Either way it is obvious that it was used to gain support for attacking and gaining control over the middle east. I have no doubt that the government is saying one thing and doing another. We've seen it time and again from governments, not just the US government but all governments. It's not about governing for the people anymore. It's about keeping your job and getting as big of a pension as possible (and any other bonus you can squeeze out under the table). I don't trust the government, I think they do more harm than good in the long term but we're at a point right now where the only way to take power back is to remove the whole lot of them and reforming the system back to the way it used to be before these were high paying positions with tons of prestige.

Governments need more people who are still in touch with the common man. That is how I believe trust can truly be obtained. However, that doesn't mean that governments are completely untrustworthy. Anyway, no government like that of the U.S. would partake in the killing of that many people

I do not think it was a conspiracy.

It's nice to hear your opinion and all, but could you expand on it? As in, why do you think that way? The threads in this forum are more about the reason behind the answer than the answer

Of the two options, I chose yes since it is the closest. I may not side 100% with the conspiracy theory but I do believe that the government was somehow involved, if not complacent. At the very least, I think that they let it happen.

And to be honest, more people die every year in major earthquakes, tsunamis, and other natural disasters than died in 9/11. Yes, it was tragic but it was not the worse thing ever to happen in our history. On top of that, the U.S. government has taken part in the killing of that many people before, what makes you so sure they couldn't do this? Remember, people do f***ed up things for "the greater good".

No way, 9/11 was completly random. Other than the terrorists no one new that something so horrible was going to happen.

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I don't think it was a government conspiracy. Were there other people in the country helping them pull it off though? Probably. This doesn't mean the government isn't still corrupt, however.

Jig, do you also know this vast government conspiracy that could frame almost every elected official in history, and that if the government was powerful enough to orchestrate an event that has pulled the wool over the eyes of millions, why they haven't killed him yet for finding it all out.

Kill who? They already killed the guy who exposed 9-11 his name was William Cooper...