Our planet will end, as everything does. There are too many theories to follow these days. Some are not very believable and some are down-right incredible.

The 2012 theory is the most intriguing to me. Like Earth, galaxies have an equator. Our solar system rotates around the Milky Way along this equator. Sometimes it is above it, and sometimes it drops below. But every 26,000 years it passes through the equator, coming in direct alignment with the center of the galaxy.

The center of our galaxy bears a super-massive black hole. You could imagine it as a giant engine, churning the stars in their circular paths. Along the equator of this black hole is a violent emittance of Gamma rays. Once we are aligned, we will be in direct contact with these rays.

People know our planet is warming up, but did you know other planets are warming as well? Ice caps are melting on both Earth and Mars, Pluto has a 300% atmospheric pressure increase due to evaporation, and Jupiter lost 2 out of the 3 white ovals within the the years of 1997−2000- Ovals that have been seen since 1665. Apparently, Al Gore was wrong, and humans have little, if nothing to do with this "Global Warming".

There are many possible conclusions, such as Solar cycles. But, the 2012 theory explains this phenomena as well- As we approach the Dark Rift (galactic equator) the more we are exposed to the Gamma Ray emittance. This would cause our solar system to warm.

Other theories about 2012 suggest that gravity will be a playing factor as well. I mean, we ARE dealing with the strongest gravitational force in the galaxy. This force, in the right circumstances, can cause unimaginable damage, and loss of life.

The theory states that; in the winter solstice of 2012, when our planet is aligned with the sun and the center of the galaxy it would cause a massive gravitational shift. If Earth shifted it's axis by even a small amount, well... Let me explain.

Earth isn't perfectly round, it is kinda oval, with it's narrowing circumference at the equator. If our planet shifts to another equilateral zone, the entire shape of the planet would warp. Imagine standing on the tallest hill in your city, then 30 seconds later you are 300 feet under water. The changes will be abrupt and without warning.

Like I said, this is all theory... But it's the most interesting of all. We could all be alive during a new age of man. Personally, this is enough to get me to move to some high mountain. But...most high mountains don't have internet or cable access... =P

What do you mates think about this topic?

Alright.
So, on December, 2012, if you look at the star charts, yes indeed, the Earth will come into perfect alignment with the center of the galaxy, and as will the rest of the planets.
However, if you look at LAST year's star charts, the same thing happened.
And if you look back another year, the same thing happened again in December!
It happens EVERY year. :/'
Whoops.

Furthermore, planets heating up?
Not likely.
Sure it might be true for some in terms of the sun expanding and getting closer, but the universe is constantly growing.
Which means there's more space.
Which means that it's COOLING DOWN.
In other words, the universe will eventually become so massive, that it will get to 0 Degrees Kelvin, Absolute Zero. All forms of matter STOP AND CEASE TO MOVE.

Final note: The Black Hole in the center of the Galaxy will most likely never do anything, for it is benign. It doesn't have the sucking power of a Vacuum Cleaner, but if it MIGHT do anything, why aren't we all dead yet? o.0

do either of you have references for either of these things you bring up?

while I'm not convinced that the theory about 2012 is correct that you've presented I can't rule it out either without getting a good look at where the info is coming from and the rebuttle info that Neyro presented.

I'm relieved to know the black hole in the center of our galaxy is relatively weak. Thanks for the info Neyro. But the emittance of gamma rays along it's equator is a proven fact.
Gamma rays from super massive black holes

Our solar system isn't in a perfect rotation around the center of the Milky Way, thats why we haven't been exposed before... Well, in recorded history.
Galactic Equator and Our Solar System

As I said, the sun could be held responsible for the heating of our planets. As it looses hydrogen, the core shrinks and heats up. Simultainiusly, the outer layers of the sun expand, due to this heat.

The planets are indeed heating up, not just Earth. The overall size of the sun hasn't changed noticeably. Many factors could be in play to cause this heating.
Mars Warming
Pluto Warming
Jupiter Warming
Neptune Warming

Like I said, the sun can easily be the explanation for these occurrences, but current solar models contradict this rapid increase of solar energy. So, I keep my mind open.

Fun debate so far =P

Most of what I said came from Neil DeGrasse Tyson, a Astrophysicist, and he also does some Nova shows.
I think he has a website.
But apart from that, I will retrieve other "references" tomorrow for my information.
Too faffin tired right now..

However, I did read the Galactic Equator thing.
The article on Galactic Planes itself says that this will NOT be happening in 2012, and even if we do get into the equator, there are no additional risks.
Click Me to find out where I got THAT info.

On the note of the Gamma Rays..
Gamma Rays are little to worry about. Sure they penetrate almost anything, but the actual radioactive damage it does is little to nothing.
Alpha Particles is what should worry you...
Plus, once again on the Galactic Plane thing, this will not happen in 2012, if it does at all.

Final Note:
On the topic of the planets heating up, the solar cycles is just one theory by that one scientist, Abdussamatov. According to the same article, most others think that it's simply the tilting of the planets that causes them to get a little closer to the sun, or further.

Also, a question for you, Aethelwulf.
You may know of matter, but have you heard of the SECOND type of matter?

So far, all of the 2012 theories that I have heard are complete and utter bulls*** and easily explained away, as all the ones here have been.

And on a further note, the earth's polarity has swapped many times in earth's history. Guess what? The world didn't end when it did. It happens every so many thousand years, I forget the number. But like I said, life will go on... might be a bit annoying for a bit while we adapt, but that is about it.

The theory is that 2/3 of Earths life (mainly coastal) will perish. And remember, these are just theories, whether I believe them or not is a different story.

My belief is; if you take a theory and run it through a bunch of intelligent minds, you can debunk them.

"You may know of matter, but have you heard of the SECOND type of matter?"

Are you referring to dark matter? If not... Please tell.

Aethelwulf.... 99.9% of all life has already died that has ever lived in the earth....

so what if some more dies???? isn't that an evolutionists fantasy??? a whole bunch of free land for evolution to take over and create new ecosystems and animals....? Just my thought on the subject.

It's too bad that when we talk about the end of the world what we really should say is the end of the world for humans.... this planet will survive us and go on long after we all die.

And really, so what if a catastrophic thing happens in 2012? Even if we could warn the world millions of people would die anyway... and maybe it would be the best thing for us. Maybe it would unite the world in a struggle for survival like we've never had before. Religion, race, ethnicity, and social status would become meaningless in the struggle to continue the human race...

people can be so pessimistc sometimes

I agree with Elara, most 2012 theories are wrong, or just utter nonsense.

However, some sound more... interesting than others.

And yes, I am referring to Dark Matter. Know anything about it?
And don't go to Google the moment you see this. XD
Anything off the top of your head.

Oh, and Geo, in refrence to your "unison" thing.
There's a series by the name of Remnants. A very interesting book series.
Just a thought.


Oh, and on the topic of 2012, who's going to see the Movie?

Yes... I gotta see that movie. I seem to always miss disaster movies when they are in theaters, so now is my chance. =P

From what I remember, "off the top of my head" dark matter is kinda like the anti-matter. It's the "stuff" that ties time and the universe together. But dark matter is a theory isn't it? Have we found the graviton yet?

The world will indeed go on, and so will life (most likely). The human race is a "two planet" species. We are capable of visiting other planets, and eventually we will be capable of sustaining the human race with or without Earth or our sun.

5 billion years from now, the sun will expand... Imagine what tech we will have by then. Hell, we could feed it Jupiter to buy us a couple of hours lol.

To geeogree: Yes, death is a major part of evolution. But the human race has stepped away from natural evolution and is now in the game of self-evolution. But nature does have a way of reclaiming it's own right.

If a select group or civilization is in dire need of help- other "better off" humans help them. And by that type of action we step beyond "natural selection" and pave our own fate. I'm not saying that evolution isn't still a factor. I'm saying that it is less and less a factor for us as we evolve.

I have "Aftermath" and "Them" of the Remnants series, hoping to get more.

Peace out mates, off to bed for the night.
Aethel

Anti-Matter and Dark Matter are completely different.
Anit-Matter is the exact opposite of Matter, and both cannot exist at the same time.
If they touch, they annihilate anything within their range.

Dark Matter, is what "Supposedly" holds the galaxies together.

The rule is that Matter creates Gravity.
Well, when a galaxy and another galaxy collide and go through each other, the gasses in the galaxy lag behind the actual stars and planets.
But this gas is what creates the gravity.

And yet... the galaxy does not start playing pinball with it's planets, and stays together quite nicely.

They're calling this "invisibile matter", Dark Matter.

And yes it is a theory, but even if we don't know the specifics of it, what holds our Galaxy together if not the gravity of matter?

(I think I explained that right... I read all this in an article a while back and I'm not too sure if I explained it completely correctly. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)

Even though it's a theory, there can be no other explanation.
Einstein's General Relativity shows us how gravity works, but doesn't quite explain what gravity is. The conclusion is inescapable- there must be some type of matter holding it all together.

Although we cannot detect dark matter, we still can detect it's effects. But in the end, how do we know for certain it exists without actually "seeing" it.

I read something a while back talking about gravity being a relatively weak force, much more weak than what it should be. The Graviton apparently jumps dimensions and appears weak because it is spread out.

Perhaps we cannot detect Dark Matter because it is out of our comprehention. We may only be able to detect it through math or effect.
But, just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

Good talk Neyro, I can learn a lot from you I'm sure.

To geeogree: Yes, death is a major part of evolution. But the human race has stepped away from natural evolution and is now in the game of self-evolution. But nature does have a way of reclaiming it's own right.


I wasn't talking about humans specifically... if there is a pole shift, or certain areas are suddenly devoid of life then it would allow evolution to once again fill the void with new life. I don't see what the big deal is there.... it just seems contradictory for environmentalists to want the ecosystem/environment to remain stagnant (unchanging) yet most of them (probably all of them) believe in evolution which is anything but stagnant.

i just cant wait for that movie to come out
its going to make people nuts and get them talking about 2012.
if this theory were to be true, we just have to live with it and die with big happy smiles on our faces

Thanks for the clarification geeogree. My bad =P
I agree with you. Like the meteor that killed the dinosaurs... Would we be here without it?

This is a quite interesting topic. There are many theories on what can happen. The ancient calendars and prophecies predict this day only to be a day of significance. To what nobody really knows. Go back to the whole y2k deal. Hmmm...didn't see any balckouts did we!!! The peoples whom have had these visions wrote them in such a way that they left them really open ended and undecipherable(SP?) Basically anyone can interpret them any way one wants. So, my view on the 2012 deal: I belive that nothing drastic or catastrophic will happen, but 12-21-2012 will be the day that will mark the beginning of a new era in mankind. It could be a good thing, or a bad thing, and we all have control over what will happen. It is how we as a species are dealing with issues in the present time that will decide what will happen as far as fate on that date. This all sounded better in my head than it did being typed out, so i am sorry if I Lost you on this!!!

This topic interests me more than most so I think I'll hang out here and speak my mind when I feel it to be appropriate, now please gather 'round, sit down, and allow me to harshly rape your mind with my logic, as I will be going over several points from this thread. (Know that I'm only 14 years old so even while I'm pretty sure that I'm making total sense of everything in this post, I may not be )

First let's all think about how the Earth aligns with the center of this galaxy shall we? First off, we may not think it all the time but it makes sense to realize that the total amount of mass from everything on the Earth and the planet itself is always changing, even if by very small amounts at a time. This constant change in mass can assure us of one thing, Earth is never going to travel the same exact path twice. Therefore no one can be sure of the exact date which the Earth will fall into alignment, or if it will even ever happen again (it probably will but you get the point.)

Second I will talk about the gamma rays that are being emitted from this Dark Rift. Earths atmosphere is like a living being in the way that it can recover from injury, what I'm saying is that any holes in the Ozone layer or anywhere else will heal itself and close with time. While being in direct contact with these gamma rays can prove to be quite destructive, it may not be as big a threat as we make it out to be. As almost all of us know, the atmosphere is structured specifically to block and/or reflect most harmful rays in space. Would this not mean that even if we are in direct contact with these deadly rays, the atmosphere would reduce almost all of the radiation?(or whatever you wanna call it)

While I could go on, I feel that I'm getting long-winded, sorry for such a long post but like I said, I wanted to speak my mind.

theory is theory only!!

theory is different from law!!

Originally posted by Zn0Wa93Rz

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theory is theory only!!

theory is different from law!!

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While that's true, you didn't really contribute to the debate, could you actually explain what you think about the issue? Or are you just posting everywhere for no particular reason?

I won't go into the astronomy part of this debate, but 2012 being the end of the world completely untrue. People who make claims to what'll happen are either stupid or just don't know the truth. I'll just leave this here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon