Christians feel the need to steal pagan traditions and take credit for them? I mean really now, what do Jewsus rising from the dead and eggs and bunnies have to do with each other? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Christianity is simply a ripoff of pagan religions. How ironic that one of the 10 commandments is "thou shall not steal". And at all these Christians thinking Jesus was holy, lolol. Jesus was the biggest sinner there was. And I could write all day about all the ****** up **** Moses does in the bible. The bible and christianity are jokes, and another ironic thing is "thou shall not kill" when christians killed millions of pagans in the Inquisition simply because they wouldn't bow down to their fake shylock god. THAT is why I'm so opposed to christianity, and if you don't like it, kiss my ass, because I do not care.

MOD EDIT: I know you're banned, but for everyone else: don't circumvent the censor.

Global Mods :
Can you clean up this thread?

You can have your own opinion Nordic Warrior, and there's nothing wrong with it.  However, there are more tasteful ways to state them, and without breaking site rules on language.  Also, insulting other people is generally frowned upon.

Unless the mods close this, I will legitimately answer your questions later, but I don't have the time right now, as I'm on lunch break.

Local Mods and Global Mods, unless you oppose my request, I would like to ask that you all would NOT get rid of this thread.

NordicWarrior : "Christians feel the need to steal pagan traditions and take credit for them?"

I don't think Christians take any credit for that.

I mean really now, what do Jewsus rising from the dead and eggs and bunnies have to do with each other? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

I think pastors would actually agree with that. I would even say that most Christians who would emphasize what the day is really trying to celebrate, and not about easter eggs or the easter bunny. In the same way that Christmas is about Jesus' birth and not about presents and gifts and all that stuff.

"Christianity is simply a ripoff of pagan religions"

Example?

"How ironic that one of the 10 commandments is "thou shall not steal". And at all these Christians thinking jewsus was holy, lolol. Jewsus was the biggest sinner there was. And I could write all day about all the ****** up **** Moses does in the bible. The bible and christianity are jokes, "

So...I don't think I can help you answer any of this when you are jumping all over the place with these wild claims without any specific support or point. You are just going from one claim to another and they don't even connect to each other. Try to actually give specific examples for each of these claims. You can't say that something is a joke when you don't have any good reason in believing that. You want people to take your argument seriously? Then present it seriously.

"and another ironic thing is "thou shall not kill" when christians killed millions of pagans in the Inquisition simply because they wouldn't bow down to their fake shylock god. "

I would actually check your history on that. Think about what you know about what Christianity teaches, and then research those who do these types of things, and then ask yourself this question, do you really think they actually believe what Christianity believes? Also, just because you see someone being a bad example of a religion does not mean that what they believe is false. You can't do the same to other religions. You can say if something is true or not based on what the beliefs are. For example, you cannot say that your friend treats people bad when his friend was actually the one who treated you bad. That is not good logic.

And may I speak rather boldly, I don't think these "reasons" are the reasons that you oppose Christianity. Care to share why you really oppose Christianity?

Just to be clear, I wasn't asking this thread to be closed.  I think it's a good thread.  I was asking for the language and insults to be cleaned up by a global mod.

You don't need to be so aggressive and angry. If you wanna say your opinion, fine. If you want to debate with people with differing opinions, great.

You don't need to be so rude and obnoxious about everything pertaining to Christianity. I'm not religious, nor do I particularly care for it in general, but there's no reason to be so muleish and belligerent when trying to convey your thoughts on it. You think you're very smart, and that's adorable. However, your tactlessness and general crappy attitude towards the Christians here is just annoying and stupid. They didn't do anything to you. If you want to be a victim about people stealing this and that, that's your prerogative. You don't need to take your buttrage out on a forum that generally discusses their feelings and opinions in a peaceful manner, like mature adults.

I'll allow this debate to happen, but you need to watch your attitude. You won't even get to see their response if I give you a permaban, and that'd be a crying shame, wouldn't it?

ender44 : This website shows some great examples of how the bible is not as "holy" and "beautiful" as everyone makes it out to be. http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html "God" constantly asks for sacrifices to be made in his name. What kind of god does that? And yet these uber christians try to claim that blood sacrifice is what Satanists and "evil" people do when it actually happens quite frequently in the bible. Also, every Gentile (non-Jew) needs to notice these claims. Christianity was created by jews to enslave the gentiles. Proof of that is here http://see_the_truth.webs.com/Bible_Conspiracy.htm

Well at least you have some websites to explain your actions since you can't have your own opinions, apparently.

In any case, while I do know a bit on the subject and agree that Christianity has many similarities and borrowed traditions from other things, I still don't understand why you're acting as though this is some sort of terrible disservice to yourself personally. If you don't like Christianity, good on you. I don't really, either. However, these people don't owe you any explanations because of your differing opinions and what they choose to believe.

Nuns have an uncanny resemblance to those in iraq who dress in cloth over their head and torture innocent people. I agree with you that these religious people far from perfect nor do are they as moral as they claim to be.

As for copying, definitely lots of copying going on. All these religions coming from middle east, not just one but many. Someone is obviously copying someone and trying to spin stuff. Maybe that is why they are in holy wars over there.

As for eggs and easter bunny and christmas, whoever started the commercial idea of it was looking for money. They replaced jesus with santa and easter bunny basically. I don't know who did it but it makes both look bad and fake in process.

Jesus kind of reminds me of Steve Jobs in a way, he came to re-innovate the jews. I personally, hate jews they have been nothing but trouble to me I don't like anyone actually, jews blacks and hispanics and white honkeys like me...

JigSaw : True.  Anyone who commits a sin and says that it was in the "rightful name of god"  should not be pardoned OR forgivin.
Plus, I also agree that greedy misers have taken religion and changed it for their own personal profit.  (Ah, the power of greed...)
Honestly, as for who's "right", the answer is no one.  Everyone is to blame for something, and certain extremists need to understand that.  They critizice religions for being "cruel", "barbaric", "inferior", or "unworthy", while their religion has it's own fatal flaws, such as them KILLING PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF THEIR RELIGION!!!!!  No one is right!  Religion doesn't help to clense sin, but having different religions causes wars and killings of others!  Religions CAUSE sin!!! 
Sorry if I went off a bit...I'll back down now.

NordicWarrior : i know how you feel but dont waste ur time arguing cuz its a waste of time and you get yourself banded because  most mods on here are  mostly Christians and they just ban you

mister sandman : mods will not ban him just because he is not Christian and they are. I am not Christian, nor do I really pay it that much regard,but I wont be banned for it. This guy got banned because he cursed and openly mocked a religion. 

Ok...here goes.

First you are confusing the religion with some of the people who practice it.  In which I mean..if we look at everybody who kills somebody and the majority is say .. Atheist.  Then does that mean that atheism is evil and wrong, and that everybody who is atheist are killers/etc?  Don't confuse what a person does with anything else besides that individual person.

Second, yes there was the Crusades, and that was wrong, but again..got to look at the people, not the faith for that.  Blaming anything but the people responsible is a symptom of the 'not me' era.  Everything or everybody else besides who is in the wrong, is in the wrong and caused something to happen..which is utter bs. Unless there is something physically wrong with your brain, you are responsible for your own actions and decisions.  If you are incapable of making your own decisions for ANY reason, then you should be in a insane asylum to protect others from you  Plain and simple.

Lastly, yes there are some problems in the bible, and people do bad things.  People stone others, and such.  I won't dispute that.  Have they taken pagan rituals and included them in their practices...yes.  Are there people who claim to be Christian that use hate and intolerance and claim they are following gods orders?  Yes.  Not all do however, and most don't want to put a boot to any body's neck to force them to convert.  So..my advice is to stop focusing on what PEOPLE do, and separate it from the religion.

mister sandman :  What ender44 said is true.  First of all, you won't get banned for speaking out against Christianity.  It's your opinion and you're welcome to it.  Nordic's banning had nothing to do with his beliefs and everything to do with the way he presented them.

Second of all, what you said about most mods being Christian is laughable.  To my knowledge, of 12 mods, only 2 are Christian.  At there very least, only 2 are outspoken  Christians.

You might want to know the staff a little better before you make such accusations.  

KG :
Just thought I'd let you see his comment and that it might interest you.

mister sandman : Oh please, are you daft? Most of the mods are either athiest or agnostic. However, that's completely irrelevant. We don't let our personal beliefs cloud our judgement on who is and is not worthy of punishment on the board.

For crying in the soup, *I* agree with some of the stuff he said, but he still deserved a ban. He was rude and flamboyant about something that doesn't need to be swore and raged about. That's why I banned him.

Your perception of the mods here is highly disappointing and unwarranted. We ban people because of their behavior and how they treat others, not because of their personal beliefs and opinions. That would be monstrous.

wow. Thats a fanatic that rivals some christians iv seen.
Its a pity that you chose to focus on hatred for those who believe in it, actualy calmly discussing the things that irk you would have got you that much further.
mister sandman :
Na, they just break your legs and send you on your way. Its a perk of the job.

since when were most of the mods here Christian?

David is for sure, and I know a few here and there are but I don't know if it is even a majority of mods that are Christian. It's not like it's a requirement or anything.

NordicWarrior :

"Christians feel the need to steal pagan traditions." No, actually, those traditions were brought over by PAGANS who converted.

"I mean really now, what do Jewsus rising from the dead and eggs and bunnies have to do with each other? Nothing. Absolutely nothing." That's actually a cultural change that wasn't introduced by Christians, but by the secular world. It's like Christmas and Santa Claus. Christians didn't come up with him- the secular world based him off of a saint.

"and another ironic thing is "thou shall not kill" when christians killed millions of pagans in the Inquisition simply because they wouldn't bow down to their fake shylock god." First of all, that was only the Catholics in Spain. I have nothing against Catholics, but it was just that denomination that did so. Secondly, might I point out how many pagans killed Christians? We were never popular. Ever. Even now. Lastly, you have to keep in mind that what they believed then was not BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY, but a twisted version of it to suit the government's needs. Even the Catholic church nowadays will admit to that. Just because someone claims to be a Christian does not mean they are.

"How ironic that one of the 10 commandments is "thou shall not steal". And at all these Christians thinking jewsus was holy, lolol. Jewsus was the biggest sinner there was. And I could write all day about all the ****** up **** Moses does in the bible. The bible and christianity are jokes, " Give me one example of Jesus sinning. And yes, Moses was a sinner, but he's the Jewish patriarch. While he's definitely important in Biblical history, Christians don't see him as important as the Jews do. It's important to note that the Bible even records both his sins and his punishment. I wonder if you've even read it, as it clearly states that Moses was not allowed into the Holy Land, only to gaze at it, for what he did.

You should really do some research before you start making all these wild claims. I could write pages on the fallacies that you've introduced, but I've stuck to just a few main points.

I think many thing here are already said but maybe I will contribute a few things.

As for christianity as a rip off of pagan religions. First of all, christianity was originally a jewish sect so you might see some of the things in it as a "rip off"though I would see it more of as an offshoot. Though it is true however, that some parts of christianity were already present in some now defunct pagan worship. Like the immaculate conception and many others. I tried very hard to find this one book I have which shared some intel on this but could not find it. If you really find it hard to believe and want me to back this up, I promise you I will look into it. For example I remember reading about how in originally the story of birth of Jesus from a virgin was not added to christian lore until much later, to give more of a divine light on Jesus and perhaps to appeal to pagans who were already familiar with same kind of stories.

But one fact is for sure. Many churches have build and still stand on old pagan places of worship. And also many christian holidays also take place on old pagan holidays of harvest. Also winter solstice takes almost at the same time as christmas (and hanukkah) which was a huge festival in pagan times. This was ofcource done in the days when the christianity was spreading so that the newly christianized pagans could still keep celebrating on the same times and days as they were used to, even at the same place, though without their old gods.

Oh and unlike somebody said, protestants killed people for religious reasons too, not only catholics. And many good christians continue to kill people today.

Brigand : I never said that protestants didn't kill or that Christians aren't killing today. It was just that the person I was writing to was referring to the Inquisition, which was run by Catholics. I was only talking about that one instance- I am aware that others have killed for religious purposes as well.