First off let me start off by saying that in NO WAY is this an argument about Religion. So that being said...

Rule 1: No talk about God or Religion on this thread as I want this to focus on a Government, Society, and Politics standpoint.

Now then.

When I say this to you: A Perfect or Ideal Society. What do you think of? Do you think of a society that doesn't discriminate? One that doesn't have crisis's to deal with? One where the Government tells you the truth about what is happening? So here is question 1 for you guys to answer.

Question 1: What do you think of when I say "Perfect Society" or "Ideal Society"

Now let me ask you all this now.

We can all agree (or debate) that this "ideal society" is one that is by all means "Ideal" or "Perfect". Now when something is Perfect, it doesn't need to change if I'm correct? Now, this seems to conflict with society.

How you might ask? Well society overtime has changed and improved. We went from a period of Absolutism during the Medieval Ages to Democracy in the Modern era. We went from working/crafting pots, clothing, and other similar works of art by hand to having them all being created by machines. Humanity as a whole has improved their lives to make it easier and perhaps better (the latter being debatable).

Now if we can agree that society has progressed (and sometimes regressed, look up The Dark Ages if you don't understand) and seems that society will continue this trend. Here comes question 2.

Question 2: If society progresses and regresses over time, then can perfection ever be achieved?

Now let us suppose in a hypothetical sinerio that society does achieve perfection. Here comes the final question.

Question 3: If society achieves perfection, then can it progress further or regress?

I'm going to calarify the question. In this hypothetical sinerio, society achieves perfection; then where does society go after that? Since we can agree (or debate) that society constantly progresses and regresses; then it should be safe to say that the "Perfect society" will progress or regress.

However I would argue that this would go against the notion of a "Perfect Society" as if Perfection has no room for change as it has achieved perfection (of course), however we can agree (or argue) that Society does change in points of time. So this seems like this can't be possible.

Another hypothetical question, let us take technology for example. Let us assume that technology in a "Perfect Society" has been maximized to make humanity's life easy. Now once this is achieved, does the development of new technology stop once this is achieved? Since technology in this "Perfect Society" has been maximized to make humanity's life easy, I would argue that we would no longer need to develop new technology, as humanity has no need for it.

However, I would argue that this is not true as humanity has become obessed with the newest addition of technology (Apple products for example). Since we tend to what new stuff, we would want to continue to develop new technology. However if we achieve a "Perfect Society", then this would conflict as I would argue that since new technology would cease to be develop in a "Perfect Society".

This is quite a read so I'm going to re-list the questions and rules.

Question 1: What do you picture when I say "Ideal Society" or "Perfect Society"?

Question 2: If society progresses and regresses over time, then can a "Perfect Society" ever be achieved?

Question 3: If a society does achieve perfection, then where does it go from there?

Rule 1: No talk of God or Religion on this thread, I want this to be viewed from a Government, Society, and Politics point of view (Theocracys are allowed).

Rule 2: Please explain your answers. Don't just give one word answers or short, non-descripted answers.