make piranha plants carnivine and have them shoot seeds instead (bullet seed)

and for hammer bros: use cubone and marrowack

the second idea seems alot more fun to play from a pokemon's perspective not to mention the story would be a lot easier to right

Ziggy, that's a good idea, but if carnivin is too complex, I'll prolly do digletts.

ffwiifreak: yeah, all that is true.


Everyone keep on thinking of ideas

for the pipes you should make them cave enterances

Hmm... I'm thinking for the Castle, we can make it a cave... but for pipes, just holes in the ground for digletts, or something else depending on the pokemon.

for the castle you should make it in the theme form the elite four by going through 4 stages ( and possibly a 5th but you should make this a secert area ) but this what I was thinking of

1. a minture version of world 1 where you would have to fight ivysuar

2. a minture version of world 2 where you would have to fight dark pikachu

3. a minture version of world 3 where you have to fight blastoise

4. a minture version of world 4 where you would have to fight charzard

5. a sercert area which is a cross between all the previos areas where you would have to fight mewtwo and would have to do something special to unlock such as being able to still play as the credits start moving and have three blocks in center of the level which you have to jump on in a certain order to open a pipe or something else to get to the final area

good idea, but there is only one sprite for the bosses. we can make that shiny charizard or something.

The thing about minature levels is a good idea, and I will probably use that.

For the secret level, we will do the best we can to make that happen. Thanks P070

Edit: Oh yeah, I found a problem with the diglett for the pirannha plant idea. The pirannha plant only has two animations, and can't throw anything. So diglett will have to attack where he is with only a two move attack. (I could make it dugtrio with the middle diglett coming up for the first animation and the other two coming up for the second animation. Not coming up out of the pipe but just going up a little as it goes up and down.)

I am going to start looking for what you could use for the pipes

There were a few idea's I took into consideration but a lot of the ideas in this thread that's been suggested either cannot work or are bad idea's and I'll go over every reason why:


2noodleman
Kabuto for Buzzy Beetle: Ok, that can actually work.
Spearow for Paratroopa: That wouldn't make sense since Paratroopa's sometimes bounce up and down; plus I just realized that when you jump on them, they become a Koopa Troopa which would cause problems so I've removed him all together
Venusaur or someone for Bullet Bill Shooter shooting leaves: Venusaur doesn't have the body shape for this, the bullet bills are tall and skinny; also, wouldn't make sense to jump on top of leaves to knock them down; I think we'll get rid fo the shooters all together and just have the bullets

P070
Thunder stone would be the best idea to replace the Mushroom is Pikachu is main character, so I agree with this one also.

Ziggy
For the second idea, I think the main characters should be starters from a certain generation (we could take a vote on which one) plus pikachu
If you've ever played Super Mario Bros, there's only 2 starters, 1st player and 2nd player. This wouldn't work at all.

The idea of the secret level containing the legendary pokemon doesn't work because we're modding Super Mario Bros, this is just a level and graphic hack (and possibly a story hack). This just wouldn't work.

P070
awesome and also you should make the pirahana plants diglets and/or dugdrios also for bullet bill you could use blastoise and the bullets would be water
That wouldn't make sense either because you can jump on a diglet and not get hurt, the same does not apply to piranah plants. But having a bellsprout in this would make sense since he can be poisonous on contact. Plus why would diglets be comming out of pipes? Makes sense to replace pipes with plant pots and throw a plant pokemon in there that's poisonous such as bellsprout. For your 2nd suggestion, refer to what I said to 2noodleman about his suggestion (just wouldn't work).

The idea of Digletts replacing the Piranha plant and being able to throw stuff definitely doesn't work. You guys are forgetting that we're modding Super Mario Bros and it's just a graphic/level/story hack.

Ziggy
make piranha plants carnivine and have them shoot seeds instead (bullet seed)
Again, the piranha plants could not orginally do this.

Ziggy
and for hammer bros: use cubone and marrowack
That could work

P070
for the castle you should make it in the theme form the elite four by going through 4 stages ( and possibly a 5th but you should make this a secert area ) but this what I was thinking of...
Wouldn't work because Super mario bros is limited

Again, Remember, we're hacking Super Mario Bros and I know it's limitations. It has color limitations, sprite limitations, limitations as to what the characters can do, limitations on the levels, etc...

We're basically just graphic/level/story modding Super Mario Bros. Also remember that I'm still the team leader of this project so things have to be approved by me first, that applies to 2noodleman also.

I've edited my first post though to include some of the idea's of took into consideration. Just note, we need a balance between the types of Pokemon also. Since Super Mario Bros only lets you have 4 kinds of levels (2 of them being alternating levels making it 5 total), we need to stick be able to place at least 2 Pokemon per a level. Also all the Pokemon on a single level gotta have similar colors since NES only supports so many colors per a level (and also per a sprite).

For the shooters, we could make it a pokemon throwing/shooting something. Can't think of a good example atm.

We can't remove paratroopas as they are a big part of the game.

Maybe you could replace paratroopers with wartortles. I mean, he's a turtle and he has wings.

Yeah, and then it turns back into squirte(koopa troopa)

Good idea
If david likes it, I'll put it in...
BTW I still need some good hacking tools for this project.

Well, carnivine still makes a lot of sense for piranha plant, being pretty much the same kind of creature and all. And for the main players, just use a pikachu and a shiny pikachu then.

Well, we want some variety, so I want two different electric types instead of one just being shiny. Also, we have to have a pokemon that needs the thunderstone to evolve into it's final stage because we can't switch upgrades for each pokemon. We can't have like a geodude as the second choice, because it doesn't need a thunderstone to evolve.

2noodleman: The bullet bill shooters have no animations, I just don't see it working to have that be a Pokemon.

Rasenganfan2: That could work

Ziggy: This is Generation 1 pokemon

well, if you want another pokemon that evolves with a thunderstone, I think it needs to be eevee. WAIT, that's perfect. Just like in yellow when you get pikachu and your rival gets eevee

Eevee could work, his body shape will be tricky to pull off but Eevee might just work.

So the power-up will be a thunderstone then; if that's the case, I'd be more worried about Jolteon. It has a more difficult body shape

Right, that's actually what I meant, Jolteon, not Eevee.

And come to think of it, the Body shape has to match Big Mario which it's impossible to do that with Jolteon so that leads me to think that we might just have to deal with both players being Pikachu. 1 could be a male pikachu and the other female, not sure.