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Pro-Life advocates = Terrorists?
07-15-12 04:44 PM
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According to lifenews.com, it seems that the Obama Administration has declared pro-life advocates terrorists. In the national consortium for the Study of Terrorism And Responses to Terrorism, under the title "Terrorism," anti-abortion has been listed under Single Issue.
"[G]roups or individuals that obsessively focus on very specific or narrowly-defined causes (e.g., anti-abortion, anti-Catholic, anti-nuclear, anti-Castro). This category includes groups from all sides of the political spectrum." In table 6 (page 23), Single Issue of Terrorism appears to be the only category that spans the four decades (1970s-2000s) shown. Note that Single Issue is the most board category of all those made. It does not stop there. On page 2 of the Domestic Extremism Lexicon, they have placed anti-abortion. Here is the descr A movement of groups or individuals who are virulently antiabortion and advocate violence against providers of abortion-related services, their employees, and their facilities. Some cite various racist and anti-Semitic beliefs to justify their criminal activities. I am not going to simply deny that some people may go to extreme measures against the institution of abortion (I have not heard any specific cases), but to actually categorize people who support pro-life as terrorists is going rather far. "[G]roups or individuals that obsessively focus on very specific or narrowly-defined causes (e.g., anti-abortion, anti-Catholic, anti-nuclear, anti-Castro). This category includes groups from all sides of the political spectrum." In table 6 (page 23), Single Issue of Terrorism appears to be the only category that spans the four decades (1970s-2000s) shown. Note that Single Issue is the most board category of all those made. It does not stop there. On page 2 of the Domestic Extremism Lexicon, they have placed anti-abortion. Here is the descr A movement of groups or individuals who are virulently antiabortion and advocate violence against providers of abortion-related services, their employees, and their facilities. Some cite various racist and anti-Semitic beliefs to justify their criminal activities. I am not going to simply deny that some people may go to extreme measures against the institution of abortion (I have not heard any specific cases), but to actually categorize people who support pro-life as terrorists is going rather far. |
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07-15-12 04:53 PM
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Pro-life advocates? Terrorists? Those sound like two entirely different things to me. I mean, what idiot out there decided to name them terrorists? That's ridiculous. They're PRO-LIFE. Doesn't that imply that they should be against violence? And our "oh so lovely" government decides to call them terrorists?! That's absurd. I completely disagree with our government in this decision. (When don't I?) But seriously... That's ridiculous. Next thing you know they're going to start calling homosexuals terrorists too. I just can't fathom this... The government's been doing nothing but pissing me off lately. Those morons. I can't believe this. |
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07-15-12 05:19 PM
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I can't help but laugh at this.. The to are totally unrelated. People should have the right to believe in what they want with out be called terrorist! The definition of a terrorist, as defined by dictionary. reference.com, 1. is a person,usuallyamemberofagroup,whousesoradvocatesterrorism. 2.a person who terrorizes or frightens others. 3.(formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror. 4.an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France. So I do not think that being a Pro-life advocate fits in the category of terrorist haha. 1. is a person,usuallyamemberofagroup,whousesoradvocatesterrorism. 2.a person who terrorizes or frightens others. 3.(formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror. 4.an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France. So I do not think that being a Pro-life advocate fits in the category of terrorist haha. |
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07-16-12 01:28 AM
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I guess it boils down to the government that it's the mother's choice to abort her unwanted child rather than going through with the pregnancy and giving the child to an adoption agency.
Pro-life advocates' belief is abortion is murder - now if they get violent is a differnt story, but to say pro-life advocates are terrorists I think is ridiculousness. Thanks Obama for another absurd legislation/ accusation >.> Pro-life advocates' belief is abortion is murder - now if they get violent is a differnt story, but to say pro-life advocates are terrorists I think is ridiculousness. Thanks Obama for another absurd legislation/ accusation >.> |
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i guess they did it due to the fact that a lot of pro life people ironicaly seem uncaring of life.
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I dont even know what administratonit is anymore, in effect, im not sure america does either, its kind of in limbo because you have a president who has no power in the house, and a house with little power because the president can block most stuff to go through the house. Its one of the reasons i think seperate votes for a president are stupid, the ruling party should get the place, if theres going to be a presidential vote it should be between that partys candidates. I dont even know what administratonit is anymore, in effect, im not sure america does either, its kind of in limbo because you have a president who has no power in the house, and a house with little power because the president can block most stuff to go through the house. Its one of the reasons i think seperate votes for a president are stupid, the ruling party should get the place, if theres going to be a presidential vote it should be between that partys candidates. |
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I believe Terrorists is too strong a word. Terrorists would imply that those who are Pro-life are using terror as a propaganda technique for getting their message out. I, personally, have never been "terrorized" by those for abortion and have never heard of them using terror tactics. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't pro-life individuals somewhere in the world that do use terror tactics to force their beliefs on local society, but classifying that all who are pro-life are terrorists is absurd. On a side note, I wonder how much of our tax dollars were used to fund the study that came up with this report, its almost as bad as the study that was financed to say that more people get injured on the 4th of July because of fireworks. Thanks Obama you're doing such a great job! (Not!) On a side note, I wonder how much of our tax dollars were used to fund the study that came up with this report, its almost as bad as the study that was financed to say that more people get injured on the 4th of July because of fireworks. Thanks Obama you're doing such a great job! (Not!) |
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I believe that the groups in question are the ones that are setting fire to clinics, leaving bomb threats, death threats, etc.... basically using terror tactics. Not all pro-life groups are like that, but the ones that are should totally be classified as terrorist groups. |
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I read this story a while back. I thought it was irritating. But that is all the current administration really has to say about people who disagree with them. they are labeled terrorists. No real surprise here, they've been doing this all along. |
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Uh... not just the current administration. Pick up a history book. And once again, if people are using terrorist tactics, guess what that makes them? If they were doing it for some cause that you personally disagreed with you wouldn't hesitate to call them what they are. And once again, if people are using terrorist tactics, guess what that makes them? If they were doing it for some cause that you personally disagreed with you wouldn't hesitate to call them what they are. |
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our government is pretty messed up. in a sense, we have "terrorists" working in office. cough cough obama |
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Maybe they should specify terrorist groups than instead of just labeling anti abortion. We aren't in a war with anti abortionists like we are with middle eastern extremists who responsible for millions of deaths. This is just another attempt to label anyone who disagrees with them terrorists. "If they were doing it for some cause that you personally disagreed with you wouldn't hesitate to call them what they are." Frankly that is ridiculous. You probably couldn't come up with any examples to back that up either. |
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If the government labeled specific groups or certain acts as terrorist, then yes, Pro-lifer folks can be terrorists. Like PETA, they attack people, burn clinics, assassinate doctors, and generally create a feeling of fear with women who go to clinics. There's a planned parenthood near me and every Saturday morning there's a religious group out front that prays for people and generally creates a nuisance. They're not terrorists. They're exercising their first amendment right to protest and show their beliefs. If they started throwing firebombs or attacking people, I'd upgrade them to terrorists. You can't blanket an entire group. That's like saying Muslims are terrorists. It's completely ridiculous and wrong. If the government labeled specific groups or certain acts as terrorist, then yes, Pro-lifer folks can be terrorists. Like PETA, they attack people, burn clinics, assassinate doctors, and generally create a feeling of fear with women who go to clinics. There's a planned parenthood near me and every Saturday morning there's a religious group out front that prays for people and generally creates a nuisance. They're not terrorists. They're exercising their first amendment right to protest and show their beliefs. If they started throwing firebombs or attacking people, I'd upgrade them to terrorists. You can't blanket an entire group. That's like saying Muslims are terrorists. It's completely ridiculous and wrong. |
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Clearly most of the people posting here didn't bother reading further than lifetimenews provided here (I actually doubt they even read that) before they just assume that the entire group was labeled as terrorists by the government. Come on people, government can't just make make it to where a group is known as terrorists. It was just said that those who are taking those radically extreme oppositional acts such as burning clinics, beating/killing clinic doctors, etc as no different than terrorists. Take the time to not only READ SOMETHING to make sure you are at least speaking in the right context, but try reading from sources other than your own political party. I don't just assume news from democrat sources are true. Republican news and Democrat news are no different in bias. I at least look at both sides to see what they are saying. Do the same, people. |
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rcarter2 : I understand what you are saying. I knew that there is some degree of bias with lifenew.com. However, the reason I still posted this is because of looking into the sources they used and making personal judgements on that. Of all the ideas that could be mentioned in the category of Single Issue, the fact that anti-abortion is explicitly mentioned as an example is what makes me raise an eyebrow. I never denied that some Pro-Life people would take their own beliefs too far, but the fact that anti-abortion has been explicitly listed instead of more common issues (for example, White Supremacy) looks suspicious.
Because anti-abortion was placed in the only category where domestic terrorism spanned all four decades, I believe the Obama Administration deliberately did this to skew results and make Pro-Life advocates look bad. Because anti-abortion was placed in the only category where domestic terrorism spanned all four decades, I believe the Obama Administration deliberately did this to skew results and make Pro-Life advocates look bad. |
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This is of course silly and relates back to the eroding rights of Americans, but it also has to be recognized that there's a fringe element that will resort to violence to further their cause. |
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AuraBlaze : My comment wasn't including yours. I have never gotten the impression that you just make threads in the debate forum without looking into it yourself. Unfortunately, it is clear from a few of the other posts here that they did not do the same before posting  And in my last post, I said 'most', but that was a bit of a stretch. It is really only a few, but those stuck out a lot more. And in my last post, I said 'most', but that was a bit of a stretch. It is really only a few, but those stuck out a lot more. |
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AuraBlaze : Sorry if other people pointed this out too, but in the first paragraph of the thing you posted, it says To be clear, the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START) does not classify individuals as terrorists or extremists based on ideological perspectives. START and the Global Terrorism Database, on which the Report is based, defines terrorism and terrorist attacks as "the threatened or actual use of illegal force and violence by a non-state actor to attain a political, economic, religious, or social goal through fear, coercion, or intimidation." So, while labeling all people who think abortions should be illegal as terrorists would be going far, the National Consortium doesn't seem to be doing that. Sorry if other people pointed this out too, but in the first paragraph of the thing you posted, it says To be clear, the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START) does not classify individuals as terrorists or extremists based on ideological perspectives. START and the Global Terrorism Database, on which the Report is based, defines terrorism and terrorist attacks as "the threatened or actual use of illegal force and violence by a non-state actor to attain a political, economic, religious, or social goal through fear, coercion, or intimidation." So, while labeling all people who think abortions should be illegal as terrorists would be going far, the National Consortium doesn't seem to be doing that. |
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