But according to the bible God creates you and therefore creates your personality. So in turn he would be creating your opoinions on right and wrong and so on and so forth. I'm not a religious person though, so I dont know much about this.

That appears to be quite evident. Correct me if i am wrong but god does not create your personality. And sin and temepation is in the bible. Like in the garden eden.

He does create your personality, but then there's the thing that he gives us.

"Free will".

So it's probably up to us whether or not we will shape out to be what we were made to be.

Unfortunately guys, homosexuality is not a chosen characteristic the majority of the time. It is a gene linked trait.

Originally posted by NasusTheGreat

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Unfortunately guys, homosexuality is not a chosen characteristic the majority of the time. It is a gene linked trait.

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Well I was just proving a part on God.

But besides that, I'm not exactly for it. But then again I'm one of those "If it doesn't effect me then who cares" kind of guys ...

Originally posted by John

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That appears to be quite evident. Correct me if i am wrong but god does not create your personality. .

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Ok, you are wrong. There are many instances in the old testament where god hardens a pharohs heart or drives a king mad enough to the point where he runs around with the beasts. So you can only infer that not only does he create yuor personality but also he is controlling it right now. That is if you believe that Yahweh and Theos are the same.

Originally posted by Pestus

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Originally posted by John

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That appears to be quite evident. Correct me if i am wrong but god does not create your personality. .

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Ok, you are wrong. There are many instances in the old testament where god hardens a pharohs heart or drives a king mad enough to the point where he runs around with the beasts. So you can only infer that not only does he create yuor personality but also he is controlling it right now. That is if you believe that Yahweh and Theos are the same.

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ACTUALLY, it's the Devil who controls you. HE is the one who influences you to do evil sinful deeds.

I'm not exactly sure if he "controls" you, probably more along the lines of "temptation". He doesn't "Make" you do things, but gives you the oppurtunities to take a bad path, and if you do, you could say you're following him or something.

But again, we're all sinners and all must repent at times. Nobody is perfect.

(sorry I'm straying off topic, just getting interesting )

Originally posted by XeoZMS

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I'm not exactly sure if he "controls" you, probably more along the lines of "temptation". He doesn't "Make" you do things, but gives you the oppurtunities to take a bad path, and if you do, you could say you're following him or something.

But again, we're all sinners and all must repent at times. Nobody is perfect.

(sorry I'm straying off topic, just getting interesting )

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That's what I meant, the Devil TEMPTS a person.

lol, sorry if I read your post wrong then.

I'm just getting into this.

Ya, back to the original topic, heh.

I agree with Nasus, being a homosexual isnt a chosen characteristic. Who would honeslty choose to be descriminated against. But you can interpret it however you want. If you believe its a sin than fine, but you still shouldnt intrude on others peoples lives and try to bring them down. Thats just being mean

Homosexuality isn't something one can control, at all.

Reguardless of what the bible says about homosexuality it also says to love EVERYONE - REGUARDLESS OF ANYTHING.

But hey, most christians like to excuse that little bit with hate slurs and gay bashing.

Bulls***. I'm not believing it is a fact that its a gene untill i see it. Show me something to believe.

You can't be born gay, If I am getting ready to have a child, my unborn son could be a senator, or the president or he could conquer the world one day, but that doesn't mean he is born the emperor of the world, he chose to be that way. It goes the same for gays... sort of.

I refuse to get into this argument again, all I will say is that I voted "it's a right"

It's not against my religion, I see nothing wrong with it. That is my opinion, end of story.

Originally posted by Glenny

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You can't be born gay, If I am getting ready to have a child, my unborn son could be a senator, or the president or he could conquer the world one day, but that doesn't mean he is born the emperor of the world, he chose to be that way. It goes the same for gays... sort of.

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no, it's not the same for gays. It's a genetic trait.

Originally posted by John

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Bulls***. I'm not believing it is a fact that its a gene untill i see it. Show me something to believe.

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Read it and weep.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6233719/

A slightly more suspicious stance.

http://www.bio.davidson.edu/courses/genomics/2002/Pierce/gaygene.htm

Most conclusive report.

http://www.stonewallrevisited.com/issues/gene.html

There you have it. Conclusion: inheritable not necessarily inherited

Speculate all you want.

Very good Nasus, you dug up some theories(sarcasm) I read these and see no real jaw droper evidance. People can think up statistics to prove just about anything.

Anyways i have another question for you. How old are you?

I was recently discussing this topic on another board. I'll just quote exactly what I wrote so I don't have to type it all out again.

"I haven't read every post and I mostly skimmed through the long ones but I'll try and get my point across. I'm semi-religious. I say this because I sort of follow biblical morals but I established them and the rest I have on my own and not through Church, which I unfortunately don't have much opportunity to attend

Anyways, my thoughts tell me that I don't have a problem with Gay people in general. I remember one tried to come on to me and it took another moral of mine and a very strong willpower not to hurt him since he had no business

...anyways, I don't have a problem with them in general but I do have a problem with marriage. Marriage, since as far back as anybody can remember and as far back as anything has ever been recorded or passed on, has been a tradition between the male and female that is consecrated on a god's name. I say a god because, obviously, not all people were/are christian.

As for the comment on why, if God is against Gay people being Gay, he doesn't "smite" them. My question to you is, if he doesn't believe in lying, murder, pride and many other things we know are against the teachings he once gave and are now given in our churches today, why doesn't he "smite" the people who do those anyways? He did this once, remember? What did the flood do? It let the human race do it all over again starting from scratch.

Enough religion...throughout history, disease and plague have haunted us through certain time periods. Probably the most notable is the "Black Death" which wiped out the majority of the population of Europe. Viruses, if you don't know, have no definite cure. This is why there is no cure for AIDS or the common cold. Mutations have no cure, and if I'm not mistaken, Cancer is sort of like a mutation of body cells. If we, the human race, were to be struck by a virus that moved and spread at an incredible rate, which is not impossible, it could wipe out a great deal of the world population due to the increased commerce and travel of the world.

Ok, enough of that. I'd like to now try and find a way to relate this all back to the way this topic started. God is against Gay relationships, this has been established among most of the christian world. Another thing that has been established is that He is not going to doing anything, directly, about it as far as we know. So stop stepping in with religion. Gay people are not evil. They're not going to get together and launch a massively nuclear strike on the world or create a super virus such as that which has been discussed. A gay person is no more evil than your friend who lied to you so as not to hurt your feelings or the person down the street who murdered your brother. So stop bringing the whole "end of the human race" arguement into the debate. Let's face it, everything dealing with this boils down ethics. What do you believe in? What do you think is right, and what do you think is wrong? How far do you think this can go? There isn't a large variety of answers to these questions to be honest and so this means that if the whole world were to ask this you pretty much get A LOT of similar answers. You'll also get a lot of similar answers, this you can tell just by reading the arguements throughtout this board, I read enough to know this is supported. You can argue what you want, but there are few arguements that can be logically or strongly supported on this matter.

Asking whether or not being gay is right or wrong is like asking whether or not people should lie. Think about it."