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Israel: Does it deserve foreign aid when it is already a wealthy country?

 
Deserves it
 
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Doesn't need it
 
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I recently got into a debate about foreign aid for Israel. The one guy who I was arguing to said that Israel needs all the support they can get from America. I understand that America supports Israel, but what some people don't get is Israel is already a prosperous and powerful country. I don't see the point in giving billions of dollars in foreign aid to a country that is already rich, when we can give it to a country that has little. Plus because of the recession and national debt crisis I'm not even sure if the United States can keep giving away money especially since many hard working Americans are losing jobs and money. Now I'm not anti-Jewish or anything,and I know there are Christian- Zionist who will disagree but I'm just saying that as a nation we can't afford giving money away. So the people of Vizzed I ask this simple question: Does Israel need foreign aid despite its wealthiness and prosperity and should the US keep getting involved in its matters despite are its own financial crisis?

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I recently got into a debate about foreign aid for Israel. The one guy who I was arguing to said that Israel needs all the support they can get from America. I understand that America supports Israel, but what some people don't get is Israel is already a prosperous and powerful country. I don't see the point in giving billions of dollars in foreign aid to a country that is already rich, when we can give it to a country that has little. Plus because of the recession and national debt crisis I'm not even sure if the United States can keep giving away money especially since many hard working Americans are losing jobs and money. Now I'm not anti-Jewish or anything,and I know there are Christian- Zionist who will disagree but I'm just saying that as a nation we can't afford giving money away. So the people of Vizzed I ask this simple question: Does Israel need foreign aid despite its wealthiness and prosperity and should the US keep getting involved in its matters despite are its own financial crisis?

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Yeah I think it does need all the foreign aid it can possibly get its hands on. Israel is one of the few if not only ally we have in perhaps the most tense area of the world. Its surrounded by sadistic nations that are a lot bigger and want to kill them. Not only that, but those same nations don't like us either so having Israel as an ally so close to them is very good tactically, as they often do what we won't. With all that I think Israel very much deserves our aid, a final reason would be that Israel is subject to frequent attack from rockets. So with all that, I think its more of a have to than a privilege. I agree that we shouldn't be giving out all this aid to other nations when we have little money. I wish only be helping the few close allies that we have. Nothing personal to all those disaster struck nations, but we need to make sure we're taken care of, which we aren't, before we decide to help other people.
Yeah I think it does need all the foreign aid it can possibly get its hands on. Israel is one of the few if not only ally we have in perhaps the most tense area of the world. Its surrounded by sadistic nations that are a lot bigger and want to kill them. Not only that, but those same nations don't like us either so having Israel as an ally so close to them is very good tactically, as they often do what we won't. With all that I think Israel very much deserves our aid, a final reason would be that Israel is subject to frequent attack from rockets. So with all that, I think its more of a have to than a privilege. I agree that we shouldn't be giving out all this aid to other nations when we have little money. I wish only be helping the few close allies that we have. Nothing personal to all those disaster struck nations, but we need to make sure we're taken care of, which we aren't, before we decide to help other people.
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Hoochman : Good point, but can we continue to afford them? We give Israel billions of dollars a year, I'm not sure if we can keep this up. Plus the Israelis have proven themselves of capable of defending themselves look at the Six-Day War. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
Hoochman : Good point, but can we continue to afford them? We give Israel billions of dollars a year, I'm not sure if we can keep this up. Plus the Israelis have proven themselves of capable of defending themselves look at the Six-Day War. 
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I think that they do not, mainly for their own good.  Foreign aid would just not help the country, especially in the form of money, because they would eventually have to pay that back, and we all know how that went in this country.
I think that they do not, mainly for their own good.  Foreign aid would just not help the country, especially in the form of money, because they would eventually have to pay that back, and we all know how that went in this country.
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do they deserve foreign aid when they are already an a**e hole of a country?
As far as im concerned theyre the 51st american state.
Its ironic, they leave to avoid persecution by the majority and then start persecuting the minoritys.
Same sh** different a hole's.
Without us suport they would have crumbled, but no, it was gods will
do they deserve foreign aid when they are already an a**e hole of a country?
As far as im concerned theyre the 51st american state.
Its ironic, they leave to avoid persecution by the majority and then start persecuting the minoritys.
Same sh** different a hole's.
Without us suport they would have crumbled, but no, it was gods will
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In response to the comment on the Six-Day War, territory defended? Sure. Enemies defeated? No. Just because Israel defended its borders does not mean they can continue indefinitely. Also, Islamic militants successfully attacked the United States using guerrilla warfare, and they continue to pose a threat. Instead of removing our aid to the Israelis we should avoid supporting the more hostile countries and their crude oil. Easier said than done obviously.
In response to the comment on the Six-Day War, territory defended? Sure. Enemies defeated? No. Just because Israel defended its borders does not mean they can continue indefinitely. Also, Islamic militants successfully attacked the United States using guerrilla warfare, and they continue to pose a threat. Instead of removing our aid to the Israelis we should avoid supporting the more hostile countries and their crude oil. Easier said than done obviously.
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Well Aurablaze, yuo have a good point. I also agree with u thenuberone. I personally think that peace in the Middle East is impossible unless the entire human population is wiped out. The reason I say this is because the Israelis and Arabs have been to war with each other for thousands of years and it doesn't seem like its going to ever stop.
Well Aurablaze, yuo have a good point. I also agree with u thenuberone. I personally think that peace in the Middle East is impossible unless the entire human population is wiped out. The reason I say this is because the Israelis and Arabs have been to war with each other for thousands of years and it doesn't seem like its going to ever stop.
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I think if we cut back on lots of things we don't need we would much better afford to give to Israel. I'd say another reason to continue to help them out would be because we are perhaps one of the few allies they have in the world and most UN compromises force Israel to do most of the compromising.
I think if we cut back on lots of things we don't need we would much better afford to give to Israel. I'd say another reason to continue to help them out would be because we are perhaps one of the few allies they have in the world and most UN compromises force Israel to do most of the compromising.
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No I don't think USA should be giving money to Israel. Not just because the economy being weak either.

Compared to every other middle eastern country, Israel has the highest standard of living. All the countries in the area need the money more than Israel does yet USA gives Israel the most money out of any country in the world.  This issue is much deeper than just foreign aid...

JonXMasterZZMan : " I personally think that peace in the Middle East is impossible unless the entire human population is wiped out. The reason I say this is because the Israelis and Arabs have been to war with each other for thousands of years and it doesn't seem like its going to ever stop."

I don't think it is impossible to achieve peace in the region. In fact I know it is possible because it was peaceful not that long ago.They haven't been at war with each other for thousands of years...

 Before Europeans wanted to create the state of Israel , the muslim and jewish population coexisted peacefully and in harmony. It was only when Europeans highjacked palestine and sent Jews there by the boat full kicking Arabs out that a problem starts to arise. As far as I am concerned the state of Israel shouldn't exist, I don't see how punishing Palestinians for German crimes against Jews makes any sense at all. Things get more complicated when you understand that Europeans were trying to create an Israeli state as far back as the 1860's and only used the holocaust as an excuse to fulfill their agenda. I'm getting off topic im just going to shut up lol.
No I don't think USA should be giving money to Israel. Not just because the economy being weak either.

Compared to every other middle eastern country, Israel has the highest standard of living. All the countries in the area need the money more than Israel does yet USA gives Israel the most money out of any country in the world.  This issue is much deeper than just foreign aid...

JonXMasterZZMan : " I personally think that peace in the Middle East is impossible unless the entire human population is wiped out. The reason I say this is because the Israelis and Arabs have been to war with each other for thousands of years and it doesn't seem like its going to ever stop."

I don't think it is impossible to achieve peace in the region. In fact I know it is possible because it was peaceful not that long ago.They haven't been at war with each other for thousands of years...

 Before Europeans wanted to create the state of Israel , the muslim and jewish population coexisted peacefully and in harmony. It was only when Europeans highjacked palestine and sent Jews there by the boat full kicking Arabs out that a problem starts to arise. As far as I am concerned the state of Israel shouldn't exist, I don't see how punishing Palestinians for German crimes against Jews makes any sense at all. Things get more complicated when you understand that Europeans were trying to create an Israeli state as far back as the 1860's and only used the holocaust as an excuse to fulfill their agenda. I'm getting off topic im just going to shut up lol.
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smotpoker86 : U r not off topic, I like what you said. I didn't even though the Arabs and Israelis used to with each other with no incidents.
smotpoker86 : U r not off topic, I like what you said. I didn't even though the Arabs and Israelis used to with each other with no incidents.
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JonXMasterZZMan : It's not that Arabs and Jews have never have conflicts, as they obviously have, but saying they have been at war for thousands of years is kind of like saying France and England have been at war with each other for hundreds of years.

Since the recreation of Israel (and about a decade or so before - roughly 80 years) the area has been very volatile and in pretty much a civil war, so this may skew our opinions on the matter. Getting my house bulldozed and being thrown out of the country my ancestors had lived in for centuries would piss me off too.
JonXMasterZZMan : It's not that Arabs and Jews have never have conflicts, as they obviously have, but saying they have been at war for thousands of years is kind of like saying France and England have been at war with each other for hundreds of years.

Since the recreation of Israel (and about a decade or so before - roughly 80 years) the area has been very volatile and in pretty much a civil war, so this may skew our opinions on the matter. Getting my house bulldozed and being thrown out of the country my ancestors had lived in for centuries would piss me off too.
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Hoochman :
Thats utter crap.
The only real demand is stop building in muslim areas.
And they are refusing.
Israel is becoming the new nazi germany, just look at the ultra orthodox jews.
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Thats utter crap.
The only real demand is stop building in muslim areas.
And they are refusing.
Israel is becoming the new nazi germany, just look at the ultra orthodox jews.
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thenumberone : Actually there have been calls to return to pre 67 borders. I couldn't care less about some illegal settlements when there are lots of people out there who've done worse to them, like fire rockets. And you're worried about illegal housing, not to mention comparing them to Nazi Germany even though the holocaust was against them and that there are other countries that would like to institute another one. And about that, Nazi Germany huh. So has the government declared the entire arab race undesirable? Have they decided that they'll start an operation of mass genocide? Are they occultists who believe they have the right to rule the world? Are they responsible for almost 30 million deaths? They're doing some illegal housing and you're comparing them to all that.
thenumberone : Actually there have been calls to return to pre 67 borders. I couldn't care less about some illegal settlements when there are lots of people out there who've done worse to them, like fire rockets. And you're worried about illegal housing, not to mention comparing them to Nazi Germany even though the holocaust was against them and that there are other countries that would like to institute another one. And about that, Nazi Germany huh. So has the government declared the entire arab race undesirable? Have they decided that they'll start an operation of mass genocide? Are they occultists who believe they have the right to rule the world? Are they responsible for almost 30 million deaths? They're doing some illegal housing and you're comparing them to all that.
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Hoochman : because systematicaly removing them from there country, bombing houses and attacking villages isnt as bad as firing rockets...
Lets see.
The ultra orthodox population is growing, and influences the country more and more.
1.says arabs are inferior.
2.they are the cause of jewish problems.
3Dont buy from non jewish stores.
4.dont marry non jews.
5.dont live alongside non jews.
6.remove non jews from 'israeli/conquered' land, give to jews
7.Attacks innocent muslim villages.
Yeh, clearly thats 'nothing' like how nazi germany started/sarcasm
Hoochman : because systematicaly removing them from there country, bombing houses and attacking villages isnt as bad as firing rockets...
Lets see.
The ultra orthodox population is growing, and influences the country more and more.
1.says arabs are inferior.
2.they are the cause of jewish problems.
3Dont buy from non jewish stores.
4.dont marry non jews.
5.dont live alongside non jews.
6.remove non jews from 'israeli/conquered' land, give to jews
7.Attacks innocent muslim villages.
Yeh, clearly thats 'nothing' like how nazi germany started/sarcasm
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That makes your comparison even more awful. So because there is a radical segment of their population there just like Nazi Germany? So what. Every nation has a sect of radicals. We have lots of radicals here in the US who don't like anything foreign. Nazi Germany obviously was bad at a state level and attacked without being attacked. Kind of like half the Muslim nations in the middle east.
That makes your comparison even more awful. So because there is a radical segment of their population there just like Nazi Germany? So what. Every nation has a sect of radicals. We have lots of radicals here in the US who don't like anything foreign. Nazi Germany obviously was bad at a state level and attacked without being attacked. Kind of like half the Muslim nations in the middle east.
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Hoochman : Okay there are radicals in a lot of countries. But the only ones that get attention are the Islamic Extremist. Chances are that the United States will keep giving Israel aid not because of political reason but most likely religious reasons.
Hoochman : Okay there are radicals in a lot of countries. But the only ones that get attention are the Islamic Extremist. Chances are that the United States will keep giving Israel aid not because of political reason but most likely religious reasons.
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Well if they really need help then yes aid should always be given, and they are a valuable military assets so helping them now could help us more in the future. We are in a lot of debt so I would think it would be unwise for us to be giving out money. 
Well if they really need help then yes aid should always be given, and they are a valuable military assets so helping them now could help us more in the future. We are in a lot of debt so I would think it would be unwise for us to be giving out money. 
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JonXMasterZZMan : Israel is a US-ally right? So of course it deserves aid from it's allies. The world is not so big and if we do not keep our alliances and our agreements, we will be alone. WW1-2 taught us the need to stick together.
JonXMasterZZMan : Israel is a US-ally right? So of course it deserves aid from it's allies. The world is not so big and if we do not keep our alliances and our agreements, we will be alone. WW1-2 taught us the need to stick together.
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Blessedj01 : But does Israel do anything for us? Plus aren't we technically supporting apartheid between Israel and Palestine. The Palestinians have been living in those areas for thousands of years, then after World War 2 they were slaughtered in order for the Israelis to get that land which is now called Israel. So their is a lot of bloody history to it. 
Blessedj01 : But does Israel do anything for us? Plus aren't we technically supporting apartheid between Israel and Palestine. The Palestinians have been living in those areas for thousands of years, then after World War 2 they were slaughtered in order for the Israelis to get that land which is now called Israel. So their is a lot of bloody history to it. 
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