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Ever start the day depressed?

That must be mental illness, no? How can one start the day already low?

Nothing has happened and one feels terrible.

I wish people would take this condition seriously.

I can walk down the street not depressed but feel the depression next to me.
The pain the suffering the illness of it all!

But I long to look for other explanations other reasons.
Perhaps a message too early from the moderators or an argument with a friend can make one down and not be a medical illness.

Is depression really a mental illness, or is it an illness that can be cured?
Why do all illnesses have to be cured!

What if they are telling us something is out of place wrong?

We don't call tiredness an illness; well actually the marketing companies would love to, caffeine tablets, high energy drinks, medicines and food supplements. It’s like tiredness is a disease that needs irradiating and yet, it could be just a symptom of too many late night and pushing oneself beyond ones normal limits, whatever those may be?

The medicalization of life thesis was opposed by the French poststructuralist Michele Foucault in his genealogical study of the order of things, famous for saying that a pipe is not a pipe or the langue is not the parole, often attributed to the other post structuralisms of the day. Francois Leotard,Roland de Barthes, Jacques Derrida, Francois La Proust,Herman Pastiff, Zigmunt Bauman and Jurgen Habermas of the 'English School', based on the separation of the signifier and the signified that made it possible to study a society like a language, if you’re interested in this real the work of Claude Levi-Strauss.

Regardless Michele Foucault posits that the mentally ill were placed on boats, the ship of fools, but are now in asylums. Like artifice in the spirit of capitalist venture

Interestingly Goffman wrote a book in the best ever book written entitled just that. Ever watched one flew over the cooks nest, and then you will know for sure that this phenemological based epistemology of qualitative ethnocentric work is correct.
That mental illness is a social construct.

And yet the problems, I love that word problem, it problematizes, posits and ratifies something when it does not socially exist. So what are these problematic? Schizophrenia, Bi-polar, true madness’? The real sick sick? Arguably yes, but how we view and treat them arguably is a social construct.

To put people in asylums, to label them, to file and sort and file them is an Elizabethan project, to open them up and expose them to public scrutiny, like animals in a Zoo.
We call it the ‘enlightenment’ to illuminate or literally the opening up of cadavers to scrutiny and inspection. The same practice which happened with the mind, the opening up and inspecting, incidentally there the practice is done with MRI now where they will pay you up to 100 bucks a time to ‘slice up’ your brain to inspect the depressed for distinct biological differences to assert that there is a difference between the healthy and ‘diseased brain’.
Let us look at that word for a moment, disease, dis at ease, or ill at ease which is a wonderful turn of phrase given the circumstances that are at play, a kind of metaphoric free for all where the dialectics of health and illness are set at diametric binary opposites to one and other like the both cannot inhabit the same space and ‘it can not be bad’ or it can not be all good are reduced to meaningless effect or affect without interfering with each other.

The juxtaposition of the two make being depressed the opposite of happiness, like we are meant to live our lives constantly in this state and to not be is depression. What about just being the expectation to be happy all the time in a sort of post consumerist bliss is nonsense anyway and just creates the kind of circumstances that would foster depression in the first place.

If you can just buy your way out of it then even rock stars, politicians, oligarchs would be happy. But the are not and so may too start the day depressed, down at heal, ill at east, not without their lives in turmoil but set against the temperate climate of mild happiness.

Happiness oh happiness the sweetest gift that I possess, a song that does not give into the depression. But in the lyrics of Sinatra, a foggy day in London town where even the British museum has lost its charm, this suggests that more is at steak then just joy, what about the wee small hours he reminds us, when your lover has gone? Is this not a normal part of our lives our sweet sweet lives, where everything is a possibility if only we would choose to exist to co-habit a space that exists between being and nothing as Jean Paul Satre would put it, the Marxist Left wing Humanist Sociological theorists, known for his exploration of existential thought, the French School, is this not a pipe? C’est en non de Pipe? Which is like Leotards exploration of the ready mades by R.Mutt? The Urinal and a can of artists ‘delight’, if only they would stop exploding then their potential to live beyond the confines of the gallery could truly be tested.

So like a bad film on a cold wet rainy morning when 60 years of a monarch in a far off colony speaks to a nation soaked in her glorious shower, we say are we truly happy or depressed?
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Then my friends dear Vizzed readers I ask you.

Is depression a construct of artifice or the first reality?





Ever start the day depressed?

That must be mental illness, no? How can one start the day already low?

Nothing has happened and one feels terrible.

I wish people would take this condition seriously.

I can walk down the street not depressed but feel the depression next to me.
The pain the suffering the illness of it all!

But I long to look for other explanations other reasons.
Perhaps a message too early from the moderators or an argument with a friend can make one down and not be a medical illness.

Is depression really a mental illness, or is it an illness that can be cured?
Why do all illnesses have to be cured!

What if they are telling us something is out of place wrong?

We don't call tiredness an illness; well actually the marketing companies would love to, caffeine tablets, high energy drinks, medicines and food supplements. It’s like tiredness is a disease that needs irradiating and yet, it could be just a symptom of too many late night and pushing oneself beyond ones normal limits, whatever those may be?

The medicalization of life thesis was opposed by the French poststructuralist Michele Foucault in his genealogical study of the order of things, famous for saying that a pipe is not a pipe or the langue is not the parole, often attributed to the other post structuralisms of the day. Francois Leotard,Roland de Barthes, Jacques Derrida, Francois La Proust,Herman Pastiff, Zigmunt Bauman and Jurgen Habermas of the 'English School', based on the separation of the signifier and the signified that made it possible to study a society like a language, if you’re interested in this real the work of Claude Levi-Strauss.

Regardless Michele Foucault posits that the mentally ill were placed on boats, the ship of fools, but are now in asylums. Like artifice in the spirit of capitalist venture

Interestingly Goffman wrote a book in the best ever book written entitled just that. Ever watched one flew over the cooks nest, and then you will know for sure that this phenemological based epistemology of qualitative ethnocentric work is correct.
That mental illness is a social construct.

And yet the problems, I love that word problem, it problematizes, posits and ratifies something when it does not socially exist. So what are these problematic? Schizophrenia, Bi-polar, true madness’? The real sick sick? Arguably yes, but how we view and treat them arguably is a social construct.

To put people in asylums, to label them, to file and sort and file them is an Elizabethan project, to open them up and expose them to public scrutiny, like animals in a Zoo.
We call it the ‘enlightenment’ to illuminate or literally the opening up of cadavers to scrutiny and inspection. The same practice which happened with the mind, the opening up and inspecting, incidentally there the practice is done with MRI now where they will pay you up to 100 bucks a time to ‘slice up’ your brain to inspect the depressed for distinct biological differences to assert that there is a difference between the healthy and ‘diseased brain’.
Let us look at that word for a moment, disease, dis at ease, or ill at ease which is a wonderful turn of phrase given the circumstances that are at play, a kind of metaphoric free for all where the dialectics of health and illness are set at diametric binary opposites to one and other like the both cannot inhabit the same space and ‘it can not be bad’ or it can not be all good are reduced to meaningless effect or affect without interfering with each other.

The juxtaposition of the two make being depressed the opposite of happiness, like we are meant to live our lives constantly in this state and to not be is depression. What about just being the expectation to be happy all the time in a sort of post consumerist bliss is nonsense anyway and just creates the kind of circumstances that would foster depression in the first place.

If you can just buy your way out of it then even rock stars, politicians, oligarchs would be happy. But the are not and so may too start the day depressed, down at heal, ill at east, not without their lives in turmoil but set against the temperate climate of mild happiness.

Happiness oh happiness the sweetest gift that I possess, a song that does not give into the depression. But in the lyrics of Sinatra, a foggy day in London town where even the British museum has lost its charm, this suggests that more is at steak then just joy, what about the wee small hours he reminds us, when your lover has gone? Is this not a normal part of our lives our sweet sweet lives, where everything is a possibility if only we would choose to exist to co-habit a space that exists between being and nothing as Jean Paul Satre would put it, the Marxist Left wing Humanist Sociological theorists, known for his exploration of existential thought, the French School, is this not a pipe? C’est en non de Pipe? Which is like Leotards exploration of the ready mades by R.Mutt? The Urinal and a can of artists ‘delight’, if only they would stop exploding then their potential to live beyond the confines of the gallery could truly be tested.

So like a bad film on a cold wet rainy morning when 60 years of a monarch in a far off colony speaks to a nation soaked in her glorious shower, we say are we truly happy or depressed?
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The uk isnt a colony...
And this seems to get gradually more random...
At any rate depression is just a chemical reaction, induced because you feel life isnt the way you want it to be.  Some people are more prone to it regardless of how there life is, and that is medical.  Other people would get by it if they just decided to do something about it.
Judging happiness by definition and other people is pointless too, every person is an individual, you can copy paste quotes but copy pasting someones life does not mean you would enjoy it.
The uk isnt a colony...
And this seems to get gradually more random...
At any rate depression is just a chemical reaction, induced because you feel life isnt the way you want it to be.  Some people are more prone to it regardless of how there life is, and that is medical.  Other people would get by it if they just decided to do something about it.
Judging happiness by definition and other people is pointless too, every person is an individual, you can copy paste quotes but copy pasting someones life does not mean you would enjoy it.
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According to my medical dictionary, it says "One of several mood disorders marked by loss of interest or pleasure in living...... Disorders caused by substance abuse or other medical conditions."
According to my medical dictionary, it says "One of several mood disorders marked by loss of interest or pleasure in living...... Disorders caused by substance abuse or other medical conditions."
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I'd say it's mental illness. It's basically a severe case of emotional sadness and whatnot. I really have no say of what can cure it, as it depends on the person, the situation, etc.
I'd say it's mental illness. It's basically a severe case of emotional sadness and whatnot. I really have no say of what can cure it, as it depends on the person, the situation, etc.
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I cannot even begin to understand all what was implied here, but its certainly got my brain going.

There are physical and psychological reasons for "depression", those reasons range from good to bad.
Hmm, maybe you mean to say that the "label" (and the reasoning behind those labels) for depression is sometimes an shallow interpretation?

The medical and psychological departments do have their share of misconceptions, bad practices, and the occasional narrow mentality.
So that has been a bad influence over the years.

Anyway, I do think that there is a discrepancy with some aspects in today's psychology, and what that entails.
But truth be told, allot of people have wised up, this generation is not as close-minded as some would think.

Was this relevant? I have no idea how this comes across. I'm tired, so this might be utter gibberish.


I cannot even begin to understand all what was implied here, but its certainly got my brain going.

There are physical and psychological reasons for "depression", those reasons range from good to bad.
Hmm, maybe you mean to say that the "label" (and the reasoning behind those labels) for depression is sometimes an shallow interpretation?

The medical and psychological departments do have their share of misconceptions, bad practices, and the occasional narrow mentality.
So that has been a bad influence over the years.

Anyway, I do think that there is a discrepancy with some aspects in today's psychology, and what that entails.
But truth be told, allot of people have wised up, this generation is not as close-minded as some would think.

Was this relevant? I have no idea how this comes across. I'm tired, so this might be utter gibberish.

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Is depression really a mental illness, or is it an illness that can be cured? It all really depends on the person. It also depends on what happened to the person in their past that caused them to get depression. Is it a mental illness? Yes! Is it an illness that can be cured? Well to be honest, I don't really think anything can cure it. If anything you can get to a point in your life where you can cope with it. You can learn what to do when you are having your down moments.

Another thing I learned is having physical illnesses can cause depression as well. Your mental health goes together with your physical health and vise versa. My psychiatrist told me that it all goes together. If you're feeling ill mentally, you might feel it physically too. And if you're physically ill, it may cause you to be down emotional. So it all goes hand in hand.
Is depression really a mental illness, or is it an illness that can be cured? It all really depends on the person. It also depends on what happened to the person in their past that caused them to get depression. Is it a mental illness? Yes! Is it an illness that can be cured? Well to be honest, I don't really think anything can cure it. If anything you can get to a point in your life where you can cope with it. You can learn what to do when you are having your down moments.

Another thing I learned is having physical illnesses can cause depression as well. Your mental health goes together with your physical health and vise versa. My psychiatrist told me that it all goes together. If you're feeling ill mentally, you might feel it physically too. And if you're physically ill, it may cause you to be down emotional. So it all goes hand in hand.
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I personally think that depression is a mental illness because depression can only show in the inside of somebody i think. I hope im right because i don't like to be wrong on things.
I personally think that depression is a mental illness because depression can only show in the inside of somebody i think. I hope im right because i don't like to be wrong on things.
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I believe that depression is a mental illness and not a regular illness. There is nothing really wrong with you (well not entirely true, there is something wrong with your mental state, but not physically) its just that you feel like the world is just crushing on you and that you can't do anything. Mostly a state of mind that you can overcome which is good.
I believe that depression is a mental illness and not a regular illness. There is nothing really wrong with you (well not entirely true, there is something wrong with your mental state, but not physically) its just that you feel like the world is just crushing on you and that you can't do anything. Mostly a state of mind that you can overcome which is good.
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Yep.  I start my day of depressingly.  I am a depressed wreck to an extent.  I do not let it interfere with my life though.  I fight against it by suppressing those things that depressing me.
Yep.  I start my day of depressingly.  I am a depressed wreck to an extent.  I do not let it interfere with my life though.  I fight against it by suppressing those things that depressing me.
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Yes I have start my day with depression before, because I know I have to go to school and tired at the same time. Also that I need to go to Saturday school or I get kick out of the program. It do not mentally hurt me though.
Yes I have start my day with depression before, because I know I have to go to school and tired at the same time. Also that I need to go to Saturday school or I get kick out of the program. It do not mentally hurt me though.
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I suffer from this quite a bit, and either I'm a hypochondriac or I really have depression disorder.   There are some days where I just can't stand to be alive and feel like everything is my fault, which I've dealt with thinking that I am to blame for my parents divorce for about 13 years now.   The reason I think that I have depression is because of the fact that I have many moments where I blame myself for too much, look down upon myself and because of it I just don't feel like doing anything, eating, moving, sleeping, really anything.   I've had moments of suicidal thoughts, and have had moments where I've been extremely happy and then life takes a poop on it and sends me back to the depression zone.   I can't stand the feeling of it, I can't stand always being told that I'm just pretending or trying to get peoples sympathy.  I don't play those type of games I really do feel that I have this problem and I just can't stand it and hate fighting it just to be happy.   I would say that it is a mental illness in my case anyway because it just happens and I have more of a feeling that its my mind telling everything that I'm depressed or telling me all the terrible things I tell myself everyday (no not I'm fat and ugly, but other things that just degrade me as a person), and it carries itself on for days and weeks, it almost never stops.   My father has depression, and with all the stuff going on I think its safe to say I probably have it because when I tell him some situations he knows what the feeling is like and that we share a similar trait; that if we are stagnant and not thinking of something that we begin to get depressed.   For some though it could just be a curable illness where the victim just has to do some sort of routine that causes them to focus on the positive.
I suffer from this quite a bit, and either I'm a hypochondriac or I really have depression disorder.   There are some days where I just can't stand to be alive and feel like everything is my fault, which I've dealt with thinking that I am to blame for my parents divorce for about 13 years now.   The reason I think that I have depression is because of the fact that I have many moments where I blame myself for too much, look down upon myself and because of it I just don't feel like doing anything, eating, moving, sleeping, really anything.   I've had moments of suicidal thoughts, and have had moments where I've been extremely happy and then life takes a poop on it and sends me back to the depression zone.   I can't stand the feeling of it, I can't stand always being told that I'm just pretending or trying to get peoples sympathy.  I don't play those type of games I really do feel that I have this problem and I just can't stand it and hate fighting it just to be happy.   I would say that it is a mental illness in my case anyway because it just happens and I have more of a feeling that its my mind telling everything that I'm depressed or telling me all the terrible things I tell myself everyday (no not I'm fat and ugly, but other things that just degrade me as a person), and it carries itself on for days and weeks, it almost never stops.   My father has depression, and with all the stuff going on I think its safe to say I probably have it because when I tell him some situations he knows what the feeling is like and that we share a similar trait; that if we are stagnant and not thinking of something that we begin to get depressed.   For some though it could just be a curable illness where the victim just has to do some sort of routine that causes them to focus on the positive.
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I would like to clarify something. Yes depression is a mental illness. But it CAN affect you physically, especially if you have physical illnesses. My Doctor's, and I have three, have told me that the physical illnesses go hand in hand with my mental illnesses. It may not always be the case in it becoming a problem physically, but in some cases it's not just a mental illness. I think it depends on the severity of the person's depression. I think it also depends on if they have any physical illnesses cause they both go hand in hand and it depends on how healthy mentally and physically the person is. I hope I am explaining this right and without offending anyone.
I would like to clarify something. Yes depression is a mental illness. But it CAN affect you physically, especially if you have physical illnesses. My Doctor's, and I have three, have told me that the physical illnesses go hand in hand with my mental illnesses. It may not always be the case in it becoming a problem physically, but in some cases it's not just a mental illness. I think it depends on the severity of the person's depression. I think it also depends on if they have any physical illnesses cause they both go hand in hand and it depends on how healthy mentally and physically the person is. I hope I am explaining this right and without offending anyone.
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