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DARKANINE : I must respectfully refute your nonsense post. The "Theory" of evolution, commonly called Darwinism, has never been proven scientifically (that's why we call it a theory), Darwin himself called his theory nonsense in his own book "On the Origin of the Spieces by Natural Selection". Darwin was actually a racist man, and his theories about African-Americans prove that, he says that they were less evolved than the Anglo-Saxon race, and that they had a lower thinking and learning capacity.....Number 2, the Bible is not, and never will be a fiction book, and although there is some symbolism within it's pages, the bulk of it is literal truth, if you would study and search the scriptures, you too would find this. The Bible has hundreds of prophecies that have come to fruition, and many more still await manifestation.

By the way, Atheism, Evolution, and Communism are all linked together, Karl Marx, as you may know, the founder of Communism and author of "The Communist Manifesto", was an ardent supporter of Darwin's theory, Adolf Hitler was another supporter. Bottom line- if there is no god, all humans and animals are the same, esentially humans are animals, and to think of an animal owning anything is preposterous. That is where communism comes in, a godless government of animals by animals.
DARKANINE : I must respectfully refute your nonsense post. The "Theory" of evolution, commonly called Darwinism, has never been proven scientifically (that's why we call it a theory), Darwin himself called his theory nonsense in his own book "On the Origin of the Spieces by Natural Selection". Darwin was actually a racist man, and his theories about African-Americans prove that, he says that they were less evolved than the Anglo-Saxon race, and that they had a lower thinking and learning capacity.....Number 2, the Bible is not, and never will be a fiction book, and although there is some symbolism within it's pages, the bulk of it is literal truth, if you would study and search the scriptures, you too would find this. The Bible has hundreds of prophecies that have come to fruition, and many more still await manifestation.

By the way, Atheism, Evolution, and Communism are all linked together, Karl Marx, as you may know, the founder of Communism and author of "The Communist Manifesto", was an ardent supporter of Darwin's theory, Adolf Hitler was another supporter. Bottom line- if there is no god, all humans and animals are the same, esentially humans are animals, and to think of an animal owning anything is preposterous. That is where communism comes in, a godless government of animals by animals.
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If Creationists are rejecting scientific theory, that would mean they don't believe in carbon dating, which means they don't believe in radioactivity, which means they don't believe in celestial bodies such as stars. It also means they completely reject physics, which means they don't believe in science, which means they don't "believe" in technology such as TV and computers. Get off Vizzed if you're a creationist. Clearly computers are an evil nonexistent atheist "just theories".
If Creationists are rejecting scientific theory, that would mean they don't believe in carbon dating, which means they don't believe in radioactivity, which means they don't believe in celestial bodies such as stars. It also means they completely reject physics, which means they don't believe in science, which means they don't "believe" in technology such as TV and computers. Get off Vizzed if you're a creationist. Clearly computers are an evil nonexistent atheist "just theories".
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admiralwilliams: Thats an awesome way of putting it.



Its really interesting. I've heard of the verses like that talking behemoths but its something I don't perceive very often. Anyhow been watching this debate for awhile. I don't think its really right to compromise what the Bible says about creation just to fit in to atheistic ideas and sound credible. It doesn't really surprise me that dinos would turn into another creation vs evolution battle. I guess the thing I gather from these is that I'm tired of people acting like Christians are idiots and have any common logic just because we don't believe in evolution.
admiralwilliams: Thats an awesome way of putting it.



Its really interesting. I've heard of the verses like that talking behemoths but its something I don't perceive very often. Anyhow been watching this debate for awhile. I don't think its really right to compromise what the Bible says about creation just to fit in to atheistic ideas and sound credible. It doesn't really surprise me that dinos would turn into another creation vs evolution battle. I guess the thing I gather from these is that I'm tired of people acting like Christians are idiots and have any common logic just because we don't believe in evolution.
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admiralwilliams : The idea of a God is just a theory, since it hasn't been proven,  yet you have no issues believing in that one. Don't bother trying to refute that unless you have some proof to offer.

By the way Theism, Monarchy, Tyranny , and Genocide are all linked.  "God" chooses the monarchial dictator, who then becomes a tyrant and enforces genocide.
admiralwilliams : The idea of a God is just a theory, since it hasn't been proven,  yet you have no issues believing in that one. Don't bother trying to refute that unless you have some proof to offer.

By the way Theism, Monarchy, Tyranny , and Genocide are all linked.  "God" chooses the monarchial dictator, who then becomes a tyrant and enforces genocide.
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admiralwilliams : that is bunk, they are not all linked, communism is simply against organised religion and hitler still believed in god, you say with atheists itd be chaos but every war, almost every crime, is commited by people of 'faith'
@smot, yup, divine right is in the bible
admiralwilliams : that is bunk, they are not all linked, communism is simply against organised religion and hitler still believed in god, you say with atheists itd be chaos but every war, almost every crime, is commited by people of 'faith'
@smot, yup, divine right is in the bible
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thenumberone : Just thought I should step in now before this gets too off track. Remember, the thread is about whether or not you believe dinosaurs were in the Bible, not about "Evolution is a theory" "Bible is a theory", links of genocide and tyrants, etc. 

Hoochman : Hope you aren't including me in your rant on science believers Like I said, I am a science believing Christian. Like in my lengthy post said in the last paragraph, all the theory of evolution has done is confirmed what the book of Genesis said, only putting it into a lot more detail that was not necessary to include in Genesis. It just depends on if you want to consider the whole six days thing as literally six days or six days in the eyes of God. 
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thenumberone : Just thought I should step in now before this gets too off track. Remember, the thread is about whether or not you believe dinosaurs were in the Bible, not about "Evolution is a theory" "Bible is a theory", links of genocide and tyrants, etc. 

Hoochman : Hope you aren't including me in your rant on science believers Like I said, I am a science believing Christian. Like in my lengthy post said in the last paragraph, all the theory of evolution has done is confirmed what the book of Genesis said, only putting it into a lot more detail that was not necessary to include in Genesis. It just depends on if you want to consider the whole six days thing as literally six days or six days in the eyes of God. 
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rcarter2 : I realize that my post was completely off topic , but I felt it was necessary to address admiral's post which was also completely off topic as well.  That is why I kept it short and sweet. I sure wasn't about to make a new thread just to disagree with someone's off topic post.

OK now to get back on topic...

Evolution in no way confirms what is said about creation in Genesis. You are proposing that 6 days is metaphoric and the days could have been much longer in God's eyes, but that still makes it contradictory to what evolution says. Here is the order in which God made some creations in terms of which "day" they were created in order : plants, light, fish and birds, land animals and humans.

Now how does evolution confirm that birds came before land animals? It doesn't, and whether or not you say he created them a day later or billions of days later it still doesn't agree with what science suggests of birds evolving from land animals.  I would also like to think that plants came after light was "created" since it is an integral part of  plant life.

Other parts of Genesis also don't agree with evolution, like the story of Noah's Arc. Unless Noah some how managed to get his crashed ship off a mountain and dispersed all of the animals in accordance to the areas they are found. How did he get all the marsupials to Australia and South America but managed to keep them from Europe and Asia?
rcarter2 : I realize that my post was completely off topic , but I felt it was necessary to address admiral's post which was also completely off topic as well.  That is why I kept it short and sweet. I sure wasn't about to make a new thread just to disagree with someone's off topic post.

OK now to get back on topic...

Evolution in no way confirms what is said about creation in Genesis. You are proposing that 6 days is metaphoric and the days could have been much longer in God's eyes, but that still makes it contradictory to what evolution says. Here is the order in which God made some creations in terms of which "day" they were created in order : plants, light, fish and birds, land animals and humans.

Now how does evolution confirm that birds came before land animals? It doesn't, and whether or not you say he created them a day later or billions of days later it still doesn't agree with what science suggests of birds evolving from land animals.  I would also like to think that plants came after light was "created" since it is an integral part of  plant life.

Other parts of Genesis also don't agree with evolution, like the story of Noah's Arc. Unless Noah some how managed to get his crashed ship off a mountain and dispersed all of the animals in accordance to the areas they are found. How did he get all the marsupials to Australia and South America but managed to keep them from Europe and Asia?
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thenumberone : yes they are linked, i know what i am talking about, i have done study on the topic, hitler was a strong believer in darwin's theory, which explained why he thought that the jews and many others which he killed were inferior.

smotpoker86 : God has plenty of proof all around us, the fact is no matter how much we christians can offer, unbelievers simply say "oh that doesn't count" Kings were not "chosen of God", at least not all of those english tyrants, they forced that down their kingdom's throats so they could gain power.


thenumberone : yes they are linked, i know what i am talking about, i have done study on the topic, hitler was a strong believer in darwin's theory, which explained why he thought that the jews and many others which he killed were inferior.

smotpoker86 : God has plenty of proof all around us, the fact is no matter how much we christians can offer, unbelievers simply say "oh that doesn't count" Kings were not "chosen of God", at least not all of those english tyrants, they forced that down their kingdom's throats so they could gain power.


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admiralwilliams : Give me some examples of this proof if it is so plentiful. No matter how many times I ask for proof, believers simply say things like "I have a personal relationship with God" so there is no way for me to verify this sort of proof. You say that Evolution/Darwinism hasn't been proven because it is just a theory, but the truth is that a scientific theory is a verified hypothesis. Darwin more or less had a hypothesis that animals evolved through natural selection, much later we were able to verify this hypothesis thus we has the theory of evolution. There is far more physical evidence for evolution than for any God, evidence that we can see and touch.

 Oh just to keep this post on topic I will put this picture in. It was in a (colouring)book so it must be true!

admiralwilliams : Give me some examples of this proof if it is so plentiful. No matter how many times I ask for proof, believers simply say things like "I have a personal relationship with God" so there is no way for me to verify this sort of proof. You say that Evolution/Darwinism hasn't been proven because it is just a theory, but the truth is that a scientific theory is a verified hypothesis. Darwin more or less had a hypothesis that animals evolved through natural selection, much later we were able to verify this hypothesis thus we has the theory of evolution. There is far more physical evidence for evolution than for any God, evidence that we can see and touch.

 Oh just to keep this post on topic I will put this picture in. It was in a (colouring)book so it must be true!

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admiralwilliams : you clearly dont know, youre deliberately omiting things that dont support your argument, like hitler being christian, i dont remember any atheists starting wars. And being atheist removes falacys like ethnic superiority from the equation.
The reason that hitler hated the jews is because he was christian and hated the jews for there past. Funny how all religious and ethnic intolerance stems from religion, but im an atheist so im cleary a deceitfull liar who plans to conquer the world, eradicate the jews and implement communism (by your logic)
And i believe you just went back to changing the topic when rcarter said not to do it.
The simple truth is the bible does not mention dinosaurs, there is no evidenced for it and adding huge beasts like trex into the equation of a giant boat just kurbstomps any possibility.
Although even without dinosaurs that story is impossible.
admiralwilliams : you clearly dont know, youre deliberately omiting things that dont support your argument, like hitler being christian, i dont remember any atheists starting wars. And being atheist removes falacys like ethnic superiority from the equation.
The reason that hitler hated the jews is because he was christian and hated the jews for there past. Funny how all religious and ethnic intolerance stems from religion, but im an atheist so im cleary a deceitfull liar who plans to conquer the world, eradicate the jews and implement communism (by your logic)
And i believe you just went back to changing the topic when rcarter said not to do it.
The simple truth is the bible does not mention dinosaurs, there is no evidenced for it and adding huge beasts like trex into the equation of a giant boat just kurbstomps any possibility.
Although even without dinosaurs that story is impossible.
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I think others have already addressed the absurdity of your arguments. My question is this: why do dinosaurs need to be in the Bible in the first place? According to Genesis there were only two humans on Earth at the beginning so I see no reason why they would have to interact with dinosaurs (besides the part where Adam names everything) since they both have the entire Earth to roam. Maybe God decided the day after Adam and Eve ate the apple that he should kill all the dinosaurs because they were too dangerous in a sinful world. Maybe not. Maybe dinosaurs never existed. Maybe the fossils of dinosaurs are tools of Satan to trick you in to believing the evils of evolution.

I don't actually believe any of this stuff, but my point is, what theological purpose does the co-existence of humans and dinosaurs serve? It seems to me that the only reason anyone would choose to believe this is so that they can further reject the theory of evolution in their own mind. If you want to reject evolution, that's fine. However, I see no reason why you should think that dinosaurs and humans co-existed and I don't understand why this should be important to your faith in the first place. You can find almost anything in the Bible if you look hard enough, squint your eyes, and use your imagination.

If your intention is to prove that the Bible mentions dinosaurs and that dinosaurs also existed alongside humans you should start by using other sources besides the Bible itself. I think you'll find that no respectable source will corroborate the argument that dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time. I'm sure there's plenty of Christian books that will say this, but the authors of such books have already made their conclusion and will only include "evidence" that supports their argument.
I think others have already addressed the absurdity of your arguments. My question is this: why do dinosaurs need to be in the Bible in the first place? According to Genesis there were only two humans on Earth at the beginning so I see no reason why they would have to interact with dinosaurs (besides the part where Adam names everything) since they both have the entire Earth to roam. Maybe God decided the day after Adam and Eve ate the apple that he should kill all the dinosaurs because they were too dangerous in a sinful world. Maybe not. Maybe dinosaurs never existed. Maybe the fossils of dinosaurs are tools of Satan to trick you in to believing the evils of evolution.

I don't actually believe any of this stuff, but my point is, what theological purpose does the co-existence of humans and dinosaurs serve? It seems to me that the only reason anyone would choose to believe this is so that they can further reject the theory of evolution in their own mind. If you want to reject evolution, that's fine. However, I see no reason why you should think that dinosaurs and humans co-existed and I don't understand why this should be important to your faith in the first place. You can find almost anything in the Bible if you look hard enough, squint your eyes, and use your imagination.

If your intention is to prove that the Bible mentions dinosaurs and that dinosaurs also existed alongside humans you should start by using other sources besides the Bible itself. I think you'll find that no respectable source will corroborate the argument that dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time. I'm sure there's plenty of Christian books that will say this, but the authors of such books have already made their conclusion and will only include "evidence" that supports their argument.
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Ok now I know most bible believers will not agree with me, but I have to throw this out here.

I had a long discussion with my minister about this one day.  He told me that the bible wasn't created by one or a few men.  It was made by multiple people over the course of human history.  Genesis was created really early on in human history those people who wrote genesis had no idea about science.  The visions they saw they could only interpret so much of it.  Of course most of the text would be simplified in lame mans terms.  Days in Genesis was more like sections of earth's creation.  God would spend time on one specific part of creation when that was done he would go to the next one.  But each section was an even amount of time but of course it was not done in one day.  Now the visions of creature creation could of been jumbled up and put in the wrong order.  You never know the state of mind the person was when writing these parts of the bible.

Now you all can pick at what I said but it's the most logical view for me for why the bible is so off from our understanding of evolution.
Ok now I know most bible believers will not agree with me, but I have to throw this out here.

I had a long discussion with my minister about this one day.  He told me that the bible wasn't created by one or a few men.  It was made by multiple people over the course of human history.  Genesis was created really early on in human history those people who wrote genesis had no idea about science.  The visions they saw they could only interpret so much of it.  Of course most of the text would be simplified in lame mans terms.  Days in Genesis was more like sections of earth's creation.  God would spend time on one specific part of creation when that was done he would go to the next one.  But each section was an even amount of time but of course it was not done in one day.  Now the visions of creature creation could of been jumbled up and put in the wrong order.  You never know the state of mind the person was when writing these parts of the bible.

Now you all can pick at what I said but it's the most logical view for me for why the bible is so off from our understanding of evolution.
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The way I was taught was that God created a world (by "world", I do NOT mean planet) before this one- that world had the dinosaurs (and I'm thinking it had the other "human" species too but I haven't clarified that yet lol). Then destroyed it to make room for a world with humans (homo-sapiens) etc. 

Now with the issue of evolution- I do believe God gave his creatures the ability to adapt and change to this changing environment (to a certain extent of course- I know that all animals can't deal with every change). But I think it's so... taboo, i guess... in the "religious" world because in science nowadays it's like "Evolution did it" and a lot of religion sees it as "God did it". 

Aaand with the thing with God creating everything in 6 days-- you have to remember that that bible does mention that a day to God is not a day for us. A day to us is how long it take for the earth to make a full rotation (and a year being a full orbit around the sun and blah blah)... God was before time and He wouldn't have been on a planet watching the sun rise and fall and thinking 'Oh, would you look at the time- day's over' because He created all these things. And even after He created these things- He we still be above it and wont be controlled by them (ie. having "human" days)

Sometimes I don't see why there's sooo much clashing with science and religion because hey- Science says the universe able to come from nothing; God created the universe from nothing. Just my opinion- I do realize there's a lot more to this kind of issue and, if I allow myself, I could probably go on and on... lol

*if I repeated anything, my bad- I didn't feel like reading every response  
The way I was taught was that God created a world (by "world", I do NOT mean planet) before this one- that world had the dinosaurs (and I'm thinking it had the other "human" species too but I haven't clarified that yet lol). Then destroyed it to make room for a world with humans (homo-sapiens) etc. 

Now with the issue of evolution- I do believe God gave his creatures the ability to adapt and change to this changing environment (to a certain extent of course- I know that all animals can't deal with every change). But I think it's so... taboo, i guess... in the "religious" world because in science nowadays it's like "Evolution did it" and a lot of religion sees it as "God did it". 

Aaand with the thing with God creating everything in 6 days-- you have to remember that that bible does mention that a day to God is not a day for us. A day to us is how long it take for the earth to make a full rotation (and a year being a full orbit around the sun and blah blah)... God was before time and He wouldn't have been on a planet watching the sun rise and fall and thinking 'Oh, would you look at the time- day's over' because He created all these things. And even after He created these things- He we still be above it and wont be controlled by them (ie. having "human" days)

Sometimes I don't see why there's sooo much clashing with science and religion because hey- Science says the universe able to come from nothing; God created the universe from nothing. Just my opinion- I do realize there's a lot more to this kind of issue and, if I allow myself, I could probably go on and on... lol

*if I repeated anything, my bad- I didn't feel like reading every response  
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I do believe that dinosaurs existed on this world before humanity came. Some people think that we originated from them but I disagree. Usually dinosaurs were lizards; if I was descended from them, then I would have lizard features (which, last I checked, I don't).
I do believe that dinosaurs existed on this world before humanity came. Some people think that we originated from them but I disagree. Usually dinosaurs were lizards; if I was descended from them, then I would have lizard features (which, last I checked, I don't).
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unknown0s :   Actually the word day in the Hebrew language means one 24 hour period.

catfight09 :   Dinosaurs are actually closer related to birds than lizards.  Ancient reptiles such as archelon and Stomatosuchus would be ancestors of modern day reptiles.
unknown0s :   Actually the word day in the Hebrew language means one 24 hour period.

catfight09 :   Dinosaurs are actually closer related to birds than lizards.  Ancient reptiles such as archelon and Stomatosuchus would be ancestors of modern day reptiles.
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mr. pace: Yeah, I know that. What I'm saying is that there are some scientists out there that believe that we somehow came from dinosaurs or some crazyness like that.
mr. pace: Yeah, I know that. What I'm saying is that there are some scientists out there that believe that we somehow came from dinosaurs or some crazyness like that.
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mr.pace : I'm confused at what u are trying to say. "Day" in English is a unit of time that also means one 24 hr period...

2 Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
mr.pace : I'm confused at what u are trying to say. "Day" in English is a unit of time that also means one 24 hr period...

2 Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
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catfight09 : Yes that's true, but we most certainly did not evolve from dinosaurs or any other creature for that matter.  Scientist don't like to be proved incorrect and thus continually believe in elicited ideas, but what scientist fail to under stand about the theory of evolution is the Charles Darwin, after writing it, stated the he himself does not even believe in the concept of evolution or how it could happen.  I believe Darwin merely want to explain the adapting abilities of animals and how it can effect there young.  Adaptations aren't inherited but taught by the parent(s).  That's what I think he tried to say, but scientist just can't seem to see it that way.

unknown0s:  That line according to my interpretation means, that one day to the Lord is the same as one thousand years.  This means that the Lord sees each day the same and thus after one thousand years it would be exactly the same as one day to God.
catfight09 : Yes that's true, but we most certainly did not evolve from dinosaurs or any other creature for that matter.  Scientist don't like to be proved incorrect and thus continually believe in elicited ideas, but what scientist fail to under stand about the theory of evolution is the Charles Darwin, after writing it, stated the he himself does not even believe in the concept of evolution or how it could happen.  I believe Darwin merely want to explain the adapting abilities of animals and how it can effect there young.  Adaptations aren't inherited but taught by the parent(s).  That's what I think he tried to say, but scientist just can't seem to see it that way.

unknown0s:  That line according to my interpretation means, that one day to the Lord is the same as one thousand years.  This means that the Lord sees each day the same and thus after one thousand years it would be exactly the same as one day to God.
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mr.pace : a quote proving darwin didnt believe it?
catfight09 : you operate on the misconception only reptiles existed back then.
incidentaly over milions of years,complete transformation can take place, humans have tail bones, organs that do nothing, why? is it gods test?
mr.pace : a quote proving darwin didnt believe it?
catfight09 : you operate on the misconception only reptiles existed back then.
incidentaly over milions of years,complete transformation can take place, humans have tail bones, organs that do nothing, why? is it gods test?
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thenumberone : nononono you have my MY opinion a bit confused. This thing about the scientists, it was just meant as a way of telling how some people have believed. I find the whole idea preposterous. I believe that God did create humans via Adam + Even and whatnot.
thenumberone : nononono you have my MY opinion a bit confused. This thing about the scientists, it was just meant as a way of telling how some people have believed. I find the whole idea preposterous. I believe that God did create humans via Adam + Even and whatnot.
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