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10-31-06 01:52 PM
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*shakes head*
*reposts* Well as of today the leader of this board has disowned me as a member of society. Proclaimed he had no intention of ever talking to me again JUST BECAUSE... and this is the truth. Because, I disagreed with him on a SINGLE political issue. Now my friends, how does this seem to you? Ignorant? I think so. So I speak out against the censor. If anybody does ever read this let it be know that everything is headed down a spiral path ending with dictatorship. History loves to repeat itself does it not? We see rise and falls of dictators. The perpetual stripping of liberties is happening to this very day in America. It’s true. With the issue of Gay Marriage... Now before we start I must let you know that I am not homosexual and do not support homosexual activities nor homosexual marriage. This is based upon; you guessed it... my Christian beliefs. Now as a Christian, Jesus taught us to understand and love others. Although it may be against the bible as a whole that does not mean we hate homosexuals. On to the issue of Gay Marriage... Our country was founded by men of genius. They knew the harm of having our liberties striped from us. As the great Thomas Jefferson said... "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg" MEANING if people are divided upon issues like these we must put them into context. The government cannot endorse a religion and still be an effective govt. They cannot endorse a way of thinking. It does no physical harm. NO BIGGIE! They cannot ban gay marriage. It’s against the principles of the Republican government we were founded upon. Religion has no place in govt. and there for any eradication of gay marriage is truly unconstitutional and improper. I rest my case this is ridiculous. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. Leviticus 19:18 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Matthew 22:39 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. Mark 6:11 There for saying if he does not listen "shake of the dust from your feet" forget it and move on. For it is his loss. "If anyone comes to me, and doesn't hate his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he can't be my disciple. Luke 14:26 34 Don't think that I came to send peace on the earth. I didn't come to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to set a man at odds against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 A man's foes will be those of his own household. 37 He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me isn't worthy of me. 38 He who doesn't take his cross and follow after me, isn't worthy of me. 39 He who seeks his life will lose it; and he who loses his life for my sake will find it. 40 He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me. 41 He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet will receive a prophet's reward. He who receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward. 42 Whoever gives one of these little ones just a cup of cold water to drink in the name of a disciple, most certainly I tell you he will in no way lose his reward." Matthew 10:34-42 (That is some of my favorite scripture) Everyone who has left houses, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, will receive one hundred times, and will inherit eternal life. Matthew 19:29 The teaching of Jesus is, in fact, save yourself by yourself. David have I pwned you? Of course not. IGNORACE PREVAILS! Oh and that part at the bottom was ment for david, unless a counter argument comes up that includes that as an argument. But! thats not whats being debated here. **small edits *reposts* Well as of today the leader of this board has disowned me as a member of society. Proclaimed he had no intention of ever talking to me again JUST BECAUSE... and this is the truth. Because, I disagreed with him on a SINGLE political issue. Now my friends, how does this seem to you? Ignorant? I think so. So I speak out against the censor. If anybody does ever read this let it be know that everything is headed down a spiral path ending with dictatorship. History loves to repeat itself does it not? We see rise and falls of dictators. The perpetual stripping of liberties is happening to this very day in America. It’s true. With the issue of Gay Marriage... Now before we start I must let you know that I am not homosexual and do not support homosexual activities nor homosexual marriage. This is based upon; you guessed it... my Christian beliefs. Now as a Christian, Jesus taught us to understand and love others. Although it may be against the bible as a whole that does not mean we hate homosexuals. On to the issue of Gay Marriage... Our country was founded by men of genius. They knew the harm of having our liberties striped from us. As the great Thomas Jefferson said... "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg" MEANING if people are divided upon issues like these we must put them into context. The government cannot endorse a religion and still be an effective govt. They cannot endorse a way of thinking. It does no physical harm. NO BIGGIE! They cannot ban gay marriage. It’s against the principles of the Republican government we were founded upon. Religion has no place in govt. and there for any eradication of gay marriage is truly unconstitutional and improper. I rest my case this is ridiculous. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. Leviticus 19:18 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Matthew 22:39 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. Mark 6:11 There for saying if he does not listen "shake of the dust from your feet" forget it and move on. For it is his loss. "If anyone comes to me, and doesn't hate his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he can't be my disciple. Luke 14:26 34 Don't think that I came to send peace on the earth. I didn't come to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to set a man at odds against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 A man's foes will be those of his own household. 37 He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me isn't worthy of me. 38 He who doesn't take his cross and follow after me, isn't worthy of me. 39 He who seeks his life will lose it; and he who loses his life for my sake will find it. 40 He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me. 41 He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet will receive a prophet's reward. He who receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward. 42 Whoever gives one of these little ones just a cup of cold water to drink in the name of a disciple, most certainly I tell you he will in no way lose his reward." Matthew 10:34-42 (That is some of my favorite scripture) Everyone who has left houses, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, will receive one hundred times, and will inherit eternal life. Matthew 19:29 The teaching of Jesus is, in fact, save yourself by yourself. David have I pwned you? Of course not. IGNORACE PREVAILS! Oh and that part at the bottom was ment for david, unless a counter argument comes up that includes that as an argument. But! thats not whats being debated here. **small edits |
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(edited by John on 10-31-06 03:14 PM)
10-31-06 02:47 PM
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This topic is almost a mirror of the other, my reasons are shown here.
Turning someone against someone else would be, causing mind you changed to stumble. If I though this issue needed argument, I would have moved it here. However, this is not the case, and I don't think this topic needs discussion or debate. My final point is as follows; You can't change the hearts of others, you have to leave that to a "Higher Power". Edit: *close* Turning someone against someone else would be, causing mind you changed to stumble. If I though this issue needed argument, I would have moved it here. However, this is not the case, and I don't think this topic needs discussion or debate. My final point is as follows; You can't change the hearts of others, you have to leave that to a "Higher Power". Edit: *close* |
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(edited by Bookworm on 10-31-06 03:48 PM)
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Maby we should discuss it?
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Oh the humanity!
Dear Bookworm, Recently to Vizzed Board has been added a Debate and Logic Discussion Forum. Its Amazing! You can debate things and you don't have to get upset about them. I think this post would work perfectly in that forum. Ok now anyways. I really would like to discuss this issue of gay marriage. Infact, thats what this forum is for: Discussing things through Logic. Hence the title? I think so. And yes this is pretty much the same post as my other, i just moved it to the correct forum(what you as a mod should have done) and fixed up my biblical quotes a bit and added some to my overall messege. Now does anybody have an opposing view? More to add? I'm hungry here Dear Bookworm, Recently to Vizzed Board has been added a Debate and Logic Discussion Forum. Its Amazing! You can debate things and you don't have to get upset about them. I think this post would work perfectly in that forum. Ok now anyways. I really would like to discuss this issue of gay marriage. Infact, thats what this forum is for: Discussing things through Logic. Hence the title? I think so. And yes this is pretty much the same post as my other, i just moved it to the correct forum(what you as a mod should have done) and fixed up my biblical quotes a bit and added some to my overall messege. Now does anybody have an opposing view? More to add? I'm hungry here |
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I think, that gay marriage is wrong, and its not right in the eyes of God. But how many priests or pastors, are going to wed two gay people? The only person being able to wed them, is someone registed to wed for the state. Thus, the marriage isnt right in the eyes of God.
I don't like gay people, but we cant just execute them all... yet... I don't like gay people, but we cant just execute them all... yet... |
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Originally posted by John After I read your first post, I "logicaly" considered my options, and I came to the conclusion there was no need for this issue to be debated. I remember a thread on this subject being covered a while ago... and thus part of my reason. It is an a diffrent location... and was there first. I sometimes question why the "Debate and Logic Discussion" forum exist. Just about every thread I've found ieach of the threads in "Debate and Logic Discussion" could have been placed in other forums. The threads consist of Moral, Country, Responce and Spiritual issues. Having a "logical" discussion is not forbidden in other forums, but you have to limit your thread in the boundaries set by Admins. I made my choice knowing some would not agree with my decision. John, I request you not try to belittle me in the future. *evil grin* Originally posted by John After I read your first post, I "logicaly" considered my options, and I came to the conclusion there was no need for this issue to be debated. I remember a thread on this subject being covered a while ago... and thus part of my reason. It is an a diffrent location... and was there first. I sometimes question why the "Debate and Logic Discussion" forum exist. Just about every thread I've found ieach of the threads in "Debate and Logic Discussion" could have been placed in other forums. The threads consist of Moral, Country, Responce and Spiritual issues. Having a "logical" discussion is not forbidden in other forums, but you have to limit your thread in the boundaries set by Admins. I made my choice knowing some would not agree with my decision. John, I request you not try to belittle me in the future. *evil grin* |
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i'm gonna quote myself from the msn convosation bigbob85 and myself had... about johns closed post
(6:26 PM) Jason: i have no problems with the government aknoledging gay unions... they just cant have like a church and cerimony... i feel but i doubt america can agree with this... sue yo your rather deep religious roots and you guys are ridgid with ur laws... like 18 is the legal age for sexual consent there, here i learned its actually 16... not 2 mention 21 legal drinking age... here 18... ow well... (6:26 PM) Jason: i have no problems with the government aknoledging gay unions... they just cant have like a church and cerimony... i feel but i doubt america can agree with this... sue yo your rather deep religious roots and you guys are ridgid with ur laws... like 18 is the legal age for sexual consent there, here i learned its actually 16... not 2 mention 21 legal drinking age... here 18... ow well... |
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16!... 2 years of my life wasted!
Does anyone actually have problems with gays in general, and sorta wanna join KKK to get rid of them. Or is this all just like 'don't like them, but they are still gonna be around, nothing I can do' ? Does anyone actually have problems with gays in general, and sorta wanna join KKK to get rid of them. Or is this all just like 'don't like them, but they are still gonna be around, nothing I can do' ? |
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lol bookworm, i thought you would enjoy that. No hard feelings.
The reason it should be here and not in a religious forum is because religion HAS NO PLACE in government. Bottom line. It takes away the rights of other religious groups. Here in america we hace religious freedom. Thats very important. If the government were to endorse the thinking of one of those religoins it would be unconstitutional. What i would like is an argument against gay marriage that doesn't involve religion. There are some good ones out there that i would give you props for if you recited them here, but i've changed my thinking since the days of ol'. What makes me upset is that now the very fine State of Wisconsin (my home state) is going to vote on a bill banning gay marriage. This is insane. To ban it???? I hope it does not pass, Wisconsin is a fairly liberal state as the trend in political history shows. We'll just have to wait until November 7th to find out! Also I am completely against Fedral banishment of any personal liberties. As our Bill of Rights set up in Amendment 10 the states have the right to create laws over their people. Federal law should not be created that conflicts with personal liberty laws. Not the other way around. The reason it should be here and not in a religious forum is because religion HAS NO PLACE in government. Bottom line. It takes away the rights of other religious groups. Here in america we hace religious freedom. Thats very important. If the government were to endorse the thinking of one of those religoins it would be unconstitutional. What i would like is an argument against gay marriage that doesn't involve religion. There are some good ones out there that i would give you props for if you recited them here, but i've changed my thinking since the days of ol'. What makes me upset is that now the very fine State of Wisconsin (my home state) is going to vote on a bill banning gay marriage. This is insane. To ban it???? I hope it does not pass, Wisconsin is a fairly liberal state as the trend in political history shows. We'll just have to wait until November 7th to find out! Also I am completely against Fedral banishment of any personal liberties. As our Bill of Rights set up in Amendment 10 the states have the right to create laws over their people. Federal law should not be created that conflicts with personal liberty laws. Not the other way around. |
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Here's that controversial conversation; keep in mind I was doing homework and didn't have the time to argue, but John sure had the time to attack me and argue;
I felt offended several times during the conversation, especiall when he said "you give christianity a truely bad name" and when he called me a "moron" It also irritated me that he was acting as though I know nothing about the bible and that he knows everything about it when I study it every day and he's probably never even picked it up in his life and started to read, and if he has, he obviously didn't read much. Here's the conversation: ============================================= Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation. John says: i saw you tried to talk to me the other day David says: yeah David says: i noticed you were still alive John says: i was unable to respond John says: yea David says: drunk? John says: no John says: prolly high on pain killers David says: ohh John says: i had to have my galbladder removed and appendix David says: why? John says: i had galbladder disease, causing painful galstones David says: how did you get that? John says: idk John says: usually fat unhealthy midleaged people get it John says: its prolly cuz i eat like crap David says: you gotta get healthier diet John says: its rare for someone 17 to have it removed John says: nah John says: i might as well eat while i can John says: someday it will make me fat John says: but for now i am invincible John says: how is stuff going with you? David says: good i suppose John says: ? David says: life is still pretty stresffull with full time job and full time classes David says: but i'm done this december John says: with classes? David says: college classes David says: art institute David says: i've been going for about a year now John says: cool John says: yea John says: i've been working 30hrs a week with school and stuff before the surgary John says: i was pretty loaded down David says: wow David says: yeah David says: you been stressed? John says: ea John says: **yea for the most part John says: and i have something to say to you that i was pondering the other day about weather or not gay marriage should be made illegal John says: But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg David says: ok John says: that is our dear thomas jefferson John says: i fear people who think like you now John says: i had a political revalaion John says: **Revalation David says: you fear people like me? John says: for you support the taking away of rights John says: correct? John says: and where does it end David says: the rights we deserve are the rights given to us by god John says: god has no place in government David says: are you a liberal now or what? John says: if the founding men of this country are considered liberal, then yes i am David says: John says: but let me catch you before you make assumptions. I am not for gay marriage John says: you just cannot make it illegal David says: why not? John says: we also must revoke the patriot act David says: why can't we make it illegal? John says: because your reasoning is based on god David says: but because of god there is a marriage John says: by defualt its is void David says: the foundation of marriage comes from the bible John says: because of human nature there is marriage and argument could be made John says: marriage happened in more than just christianity David says: ok, so can we not make marriage between a brother and sister illegal? David says: should a man be allowed to marry multiple partners? John says: hang on John says: a sec John says: ne ways.. i was on the phone John says: now that my friend is apples and oranges John says: its genetically bad for people and causes lots of health risks to their offspring John says: you know that as well as i David says: gay sex causes aids David says: and other disseases John says: as does straight sex David says: but it's proven gay people dont live very old David says: and a brother and sister can have sex all they want if their fixed David says: right? David says: what harm is it causing you? John says: i have seen no study to say that gay people live shorter than non gay David says: many gays have anal leakage John says: and david we could sit here and make hypothetical situations all day about brothers and sisters having sex John says: do you know that David says: they stretch their butt holes so much that they have troubles holding stuff in, some have to resort to man diapers at a young age John says: maybe they chose not to have anal intercourse John says: as many do not John says: and how about female partners? David says: so john, if you want to be gay, i can't stop you, but if you've chosen this life style than i have no intentions to talkw ith you anymore John says: i'm not gay John says: you are ignorant John says: unfortuanatly David says: your the ignorant one John says: i already told you that i don't support gay marriage based on my christian beliefs, but it would be unconstitutional to ban it John says: just open up your mind David says: and it would be unconstitutional to ban brother and sister marriage to David says: right? John says: like i already said thats apples and oranges and is irrelivent to this conversation and if you want to bring up a debate about that we can do that at another time but lets stay on track here David says: it's not irrelivent at all John says: and how now David says: why can't you just answer the question? John says: is it homosexual marriage? John says: were not debating sex John says: were debating marriage? David says: yeah John says: ok David says: i'm saying is it ok for a brother and sister to marry eachother John says: so were gonna throw out everything you said just now John says: about the gay sex David says: your avoiding the question David says: simple question David says: should a brother and his sister be allowed to get married? John says: and now all you have is this hypothetical situation of brother and sister marrying each other which is already socially and internationally taboo whats your point its not healthy if they were to procreate it makes sense its illegal John says: correct or no? David says: gay marriage is not healthy either John says: give me studies David says: so if gays deserve the right to get married, why not a brother and sister? John says: apples and oranges John says: and you know that David says: excuses David says: you know that David says: you have excuses John says: ok david you are ignorant David says: you can't answer my questions John says: because its gentically unhealthy for their offspring John says: lets ban smoking too John says: and eating pancakes cuz you could choke John says: and driving cars cuz people die in car accident John says: s John says: and stairs cuz you could fall down them David says: that's irrelevent to our convo John says: and how about banning houses cuz sometimes they burn down John says: its perfectly relevent John says: those harm people John says: why arnen't those banned John says: why can you tell me? David says: tell you what? John says: why arnen't they banned if they harm people John says: people make a choice to walk up stairs, eat pancakes and smoke John says: for the most part they know the risks John says: and its a risk they are willing to take, people need to be self reliant and don't need the govt looking out for them so much. hey aren't you a republican don't you oppose govt involvment in things. or do you cross party boundries. i thought you hated dems John says: but really you can't put an unborn childs genetic future at risk John says: that irresponsible David says: if we allow gay marriage, than that just makes kids think it's ok to be gay David says: and the more kids that grow up thinking being gay is ok, the more gay people we'll have in society John says: and according to your RELIGION its not David says: that is far more harmful than anything imaginable John says: but according to some its not John says: religion has no place in govt David says: gay sex has been proven to be very harmful and many die young John says: and decision based on emotion is a flawed decision david remember that David says: this is based on common sense John says: how about lesbians John says: i have fingered girls David says: your decision is based on the media and what you've been grown to think John says: aten their vaginas John says: am i a killer John says: tell me am i? David says: no, that just makes you a dirty pervert John says: no david i actually used to think just like you did John says: truth i didd David says: 100+ years ago you wouldn't be thinking this way John says: i used to be ignorant just like you David says: society and the peopel around you have influenced your opinions John says: but i changed John says: thats where your wrong David says: you adapted to the corrupted society John says: homosexuality was extremely common thousands of years ago John says: those crazy romans David says: i didn't say thousands David says: i said hundreds David says: the begining of the usa John says: homosexuality has been present in the human population for a very long time John says: althought maybe not as public as it is todya David says: only if the population allows it John says: still present John says: david just because you think christianity should dictate the world does not mean it should John says: jesus taught understanding David says: jesus taught not to accept any sins John says: you are not an understanding soul David says: i know the bible far better than you David says: i've read through it many times David says: i've studied it, i'm trying my hardest to live a righteous life John says: do not judge unless you yourself could face judgement david David says: and who am i judging? John says: you are not free of sin John says: and until you are John says: do not judge others David says: i did not judge John says: do not shoot down others ways of life John says: until you yourself are pure and ffee John says: **free John says: pwned by your own book John says: your a moron David says: not really David says: you dont know the bible to well John says: of course not John says: for you are ignorant John says: you didn't even think about anything i said John says: because your right no matter what David says: i did John says: you give christianity a truely bad name David says: but god tells us to help people John says: learn to love David says: free them from sin David says: to preach the word of god David says: if i let people sin, am i doing what is right? David says: nope John says: i love the way jesus taught me John says: with full open heartedness David says: john, i have no intentions to talk to you ever again, i'm gonna block you and delete you off my list ============================================= I felt offended several times during the conversation, especiall when he said "you give christianity a truely bad name" and when he called me a "moron" It also irritated me that he was acting as though I know nothing about the bible and that he knows everything about it when I study it every day and he's probably never even picked it up in his life and started to read, and if he has, he obviously didn't read much. Here's the conversation: ============================================= Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation. John says: i saw you tried to talk to me the other day David says: yeah David says: i noticed you were still alive John says: i was unable to respond John says: yea David says: drunk? John says: no John says: prolly high on pain killers David says: ohh John says: i had to have my galbladder removed and appendix David says: why? John says: i had galbladder disease, causing painful galstones David says: how did you get that? John says: idk John says: usually fat unhealthy midleaged people get it John says: its prolly cuz i eat like crap David says: you gotta get healthier diet John says: its rare for someone 17 to have it removed John says: nah John says: i might as well eat while i can John says: someday it will make me fat John says: but for now i am invincible John says: how is stuff going with you? David says: good i suppose John says: ? David says: life is still pretty stresffull with full time job and full time classes David says: but i'm done this december John says: with classes? David says: college classes David says: art institute David says: i've been going for about a year now John says: cool John says: yea John says: i've been working 30hrs a week with school and stuff before the surgary John says: i was pretty loaded down David says: wow David says: yeah David says: you been stressed? John says: ea John says: **yea for the most part John says: and i have something to say to you that i was pondering the other day about weather or not gay marriage should be made illegal John says: But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg David says: ok John says: that is our dear thomas jefferson John says: i fear people who think like you now John says: i had a political revalaion John says: **Revalation David says: you fear people like me? John says: for you support the taking away of rights John says: correct? John says: and where does it end David says: the rights we deserve are the rights given to us by god John says: god has no place in government David says: are you a liberal now or what? John says: if the founding men of this country are considered liberal, then yes i am David says: John says: but let me catch you before you make assumptions. I am not for gay marriage John says: you just cannot make it illegal David says: why not? John says: we also must revoke the patriot act David says: why can't we make it illegal? John says: because your reasoning is based on god David says: but because of god there is a marriage John says: by defualt its is void David says: the foundation of marriage comes from the bible John says: because of human nature there is marriage and argument could be made John says: marriage happened in more than just christianity David says: ok, so can we not make marriage between a brother and sister illegal? David says: should a man be allowed to marry multiple partners? John says: hang on John says: a sec John says: ne ways.. i was on the phone John says: now that my friend is apples and oranges John says: its genetically bad for people and causes lots of health risks to their offspring John says: you know that as well as i David says: gay sex causes aids David says: and other disseases John says: as does straight sex David says: but it's proven gay people dont live very old David says: and a brother and sister can have sex all they want if their fixed David says: right? David says: what harm is it causing you? John says: i have seen no study to say that gay people live shorter than non gay David says: many gays have anal leakage John says: and david we could sit here and make hypothetical situations all day about brothers and sisters having sex John says: do you know that David says: they stretch their butt holes so much that they have troubles holding stuff in, some have to resort to man diapers at a young age John says: maybe they chose not to have anal intercourse John says: as many do not John says: and how about female partners? David says: so john, if you want to be gay, i can't stop you, but if you've chosen this life style than i have no intentions to talkw ith you anymore John says: i'm not gay John says: you are ignorant John says: unfortuanatly David says: your the ignorant one John says: i already told you that i don't support gay marriage based on my christian beliefs, but it would be unconstitutional to ban it John says: just open up your mind David says: and it would be unconstitutional to ban brother and sister marriage to David says: right? John says: like i already said thats apples and oranges and is irrelivent to this conversation and if you want to bring up a debate about that we can do that at another time but lets stay on track here David says: it's not irrelivent at all John says: and how now David says: why can't you just answer the question? John says: is it homosexual marriage? John says: were not debating sex John says: were debating marriage? David says: yeah John says: ok David says: i'm saying is it ok for a brother and sister to marry eachother John says: so were gonna throw out everything you said just now John says: about the gay sex David says: your avoiding the question David says: simple question David says: should a brother and his sister be allowed to get married? John says: and now all you have is this hypothetical situation of brother and sister marrying each other which is already socially and internationally taboo whats your point its not healthy if they were to procreate it makes sense its illegal John says: correct or no? David says: gay marriage is not healthy either John says: give me studies David says: so if gays deserve the right to get married, why not a brother and sister? John says: apples and oranges John says: and you know that David says: excuses David says: you know that David says: you have excuses John says: ok david you are ignorant David says: you can't answer my questions John says: because its gentically unhealthy for their offspring John says: lets ban smoking too John says: and eating pancakes cuz you could choke John says: and driving cars cuz people die in car accident John says: s John says: and stairs cuz you could fall down them David says: that's irrelevent to our convo John says: and how about banning houses cuz sometimes they burn down John says: its perfectly relevent John says: those harm people John says: why arnen't those banned John says: why can you tell me? David says: tell you what? John says: why arnen't they banned if they harm people John says: people make a choice to walk up stairs, eat pancakes and smoke John says: for the most part they know the risks John says: and its a risk they are willing to take, people need to be self reliant and don't need the govt looking out for them so much. hey aren't you a republican don't you oppose govt involvment in things. or do you cross party boundries. i thought you hated dems John says: but really you can't put an unborn childs genetic future at risk John says: that irresponsible David says: if we allow gay marriage, than that just makes kids think it's ok to be gay David says: and the more kids that grow up thinking being gay is ok, the more gay people we'll have in society John says: and according to your RELIGION its not David says: that is far more harmful than anything imaginable John says: but according to some its not John says: religion has no place in govt David says: gay sex has been proven to be very harmful and many die young John says: and decision based on emotion is a flawed decision david remember that David says: this is based on common sense John says: how about lesbians John says: i have fingered girls David says: your decision is based on the media and what you've been grown to think John says: aten their vaginas John says: am i a killer John says: tell me am i? David says: no, that just makes you a dirty pervert John says: no david i actually used to think just like you did John says: truth i didd David says: 100+ years ago you wouldn't be thinking this way John says: i used to be ignorant just like you David says: society and the peopel around you have influenced your opinions John says: but i changed John says: thats where your wrong David says: you adapted to the corrupted society John says: homosexuality was extremely common thousands of years ago John says: those crazy romans David says: i didn't say thousands David says: i said hundreds David says: the begining of the usa John says: homosexuality has been present in the human population for a very long time John says: althought maybe not as public as it is todya David says: only if the population allows it John says: still present John says: david just because you think christianity should dictate the world does not mean it should John says: jesus taught understanding David says: jesus taught not to accept any sins John says: you are not an understanding soul David says: i know the bible far better than you David says: i've read through it many times David says: i've studied it, i'm trying my hardest to live a righteous life John says: do not judge unless you yourself could face judgement david David says: and who am i judging? John says: you are not free of sin John says: and until you are John says: do not judge others David says: i did not judge John says: do not shoot down others ways of life John says: until you yourself are pure and ffee John says: **free John says: pwned by your own book John says: your a moron David says: not really David says: you dont know the bible to well John says: of course not John says: for you are ignorant John says: you didn't even think about anything i said John says: because your right no matter what David says: i did John says: you give christianity a truely bad name David says: but god tells us to help people John says: learn to love David says: free them from sin David says: to preach the word of god David says: if i let people sin, am i doing what is right? 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i dont understand how people can b**** so d*** much about an opinion. Honestly, get the f*** over it. its an opinion and its jerks like both David and John who try to force their opinion onto others. If you have an opinion on something, express it, thats all you need to do. God, so childish.
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IW, its about a moral issue, and an issue of Culture that is being discussed. Simply in an open ended discussion you are entitled to your opinion.
I disagree on the point, gay marriages can be banned if ruled by the people of the state. Its not only the so called "religious" people who see homosexuality as being wrong. This notion can be gathered without the influence of an external source. Some people divide right from wrong by how a notion makes them feel. I could give many other examples, but this will do. IW, it be nice to keep this discussion profanity-less. I disagree on the point, gay marriages can be banned if ruled by the people of the state. Its not only the so called "religious" people who see homosexuality as being wrong. This notion can be gathered without the influence of an external source. Some people divide right from wrong by how a notion makes them feel. I could give many other examples, but this will do. IW, it be nice to keep this discussion profanity-less. |
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IceWave, what are you talking about? I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone, I'm just defending myself from an attack by John, have I no right to defend myself?
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IceWave04, where did David or John, try force there opinions on anyone?
They both have totally different ideas, but they wouldn't try force them on people, you just cant do that... They both have totally different ideas, but they wouldn't try force them on people, you just cant do that... |
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No ones forcing their opinion on others. Extra, Extra, Read all about it. Forum Rules are a good thing to read before asking any questions that may have been answered. No ones forcing their opinion on others. Extra, Extra, Read all about it. Forum Rules are a good thing to read before asking any questions that may have been answered. |
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i'd have to side with john in the general debate, its not like he's saying homosexuals can worship god or anything, its just a union of 2 people, which is important no matter who or what ur preferences are. but as i said before, no church no preist no mention of 'god' or 'jesus' and stuff like that... i hope i'm not unintentionally condesending christianity or religion in general..
IW has a valid point calling u childish but... specifically davideo, losing a friend over this truely isnt worth it... acceptance and forgiveness of your fellow man... fellas IW has a valid point calling u childish but... specifically davideo, losing a friend over this truely isnt worth it... acceptance and forgiveness of your fellow man... fellas |
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Well, that brings this conversation to a close.
Neo, it would be really nice if you started using the 'shift' button at the beginning of your sentance. Although IW made a point of John being childish... he did it in a childish and not quire professional way. My only reason for my comments are as follows; I'm a writer. Neo, it would be really nice if you started using the 'shift' button at the beginning of your sentance. Although IW made a point of John being childish... he did it in a childish and not quire professional way. My only reason for my comments are as follows; I'm a writer. |
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Neojazex: If you knew John in person, he's the kind of person who lives his life debating and arguing with people. I gaurantee it'll be impossible for now on to be around him without him forcing his opinions and beliefs on me and than calling me stupid, moron, retarded, ignorant, etc for not converting to what he believes in. You all remember how he was when he was a conservative and attacking the liberals on this board a year ago, even I disaproved of his actions sometimes.
My reaction could've been handled more properly I admit, but it certainly wasn't childish, I just don't have the time for pointless conversation, I barely even have enough time to make this post, don't believe me, than go here https://www.vizzed.com/vizzedboard/activeusers.php?posttime=2592000 I just don't want to be harrassed because of what I believe in, I'm not out forcing my opinions or beliefs on people, but I for some reason am suppose to put up with people forcing their beliefs on me and apparently there's no escaping this liberal crap. I would close this but than I would be accused of censorship. Apparently in the eyes of a liberal, the rules and laws don't apply to them, but apparently a conservative deserves no rights. PS - Any staff member is free to close this. I can't do it otherwise I'd be considered a dictator. My reaction could've been handled more properly I admit, but it certainly wasn't childish, I just don't have the time for pointless conversation, I barely even have enough time to make this post, don't believe me, than go here https://www.vizzed.com/vizzedboard/activeusers.php?posttime=2592000 I just don't want to be harrassed because of what I believe in, I'm not out forcing my opinions or beliefs on people, but I for some reason am suppose to put up with people forcing their beliefs on me and apparently there's no escaping this liberal crap. I would close this but than I would be accused of censorship. Apparently in the eyes of a liberal, the rules and laws don't apply to them, but apparently a conservative deserves no rights. PS - Any staff member is free to close this. I can't do it otherwise I'd be considered a dictator. |
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