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08-01-10 09:40 PM
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Just think if all Christians did burn the koran here in the USA. You think that would help the situation? No it would not cause America is extremely diverse when it comes to peoples religious backgrounds. It would just cause a ripple effect then everyone will be doing the same thing to other religions. What if Government made it illegal to own a bible as a result of this hatred? That is where we are headed if these nuts keep it up.
Just think if all Christians did burn the koran here in the USA. You think that would help the situation? No it would not cause America is extremely diverse when it comes to peoples religious backgrounds. It would just cause a ripple effect then everyone will be doing the same thing to other religions. What if Government made it illegal to own a bible as a result of this hatred? That is where we are headed if these nuts keep it up.
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bigNATE : Yes I am aware of the passage. The only way I could see it as evil would be if these men who do this speak hatred against Muslims and take arms against Muslims the way Muslims do to us. I have yet to see them do that. That's why I have less of a problem with them.
bigNATE : Yes I am aware of the passage. The only way I could see it as evil would be if these men who do this speak hatred against Muslims and take arms against Muslims the way Muslims do to us. I have yet to see them do that. That's why I have less of a problem with them.
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Hoochman : No one here is saying that the few Muslims who do do that are in the right, but it is not right to do it back. "The only way I could see it as evil would be if these men who do this speak hatred against Muslims and take arms against Muslims the way Muslims do to us" did u even listen to the videos? In what way are they not speaking hatred? They are saying their religion is full of evil zealots (which again is judging them because of the select few who were involved in things like 9-11), and that the Koran is a book full of hate and killing. I'll ask you what the reporter asked, if i said "i have no problem with you or your religion, but i am going to burn your bible" would u think that was right at all? There are plenty of fake Christians out there, and plenty of people who misquote the bible to make it seem like it is about hate, so why is it hard to believe that MAYBE just MAYBE the same applies for the Muslim religion and that the people who do this to the Muslim religion are in power? There is no excuse for burning this book, and by him saying "well first of all, to us the book is not sacred" that is a double edged statement. So since the bible isn't sacred to Muslims is it ok for them to burn it? It is not right to disrespect a whole religion because of a select few bad people in it.
Hoochman : No one here is saying that the few Muslims who do do that are in the right, but it is not right to do it back. "The only way I could see it as evil would be if these men who do this speak hatred against Muslims and take arms against Muslims the way Muslims do to us" did u even listen to the videos? In what way are they not speaking hatred? They are saying their religion is full of evil zealots (which again is judging them because of the select few who were involved in things like 9-11), and that the Koran is a book full of hate and killing. I'll ask you what the reporter asked, if i said "i have no problem with you or your religion, but i am going to burn your bible" would u think that was right at all? There are plenty of fake Christians out there, and plenty of people who misquote the bible to make it seem like it is about hate, so why is it hard to believe that MAYBE just MAYBE the same applies for the Muslim religion and that the people who do this to the Muslim religion are in power? There is no excuse for burning this book, and by him saying "well first of all, to us the book is not sacred" that is a double edged statement. So since the bible isn't sacred to Muslims is it ok for them to burn it? It is not right to disrespect a whole religion because of a select few bad people in it.
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metal572 : Yes I watched the videos. At least these men in the videos had the decency to make it clear that they don't have anything against Muslims but HATE Islamic law, that isn't hatred against people. Most religious Muslims out there are radical as that is what Islam teaches and not just select few. Muslims burn bibles in the middle east all the time and preach hate against infidels. Muslims do have problem with me and my belief and burns bibles and kills people like me. Of course I don't like that they do it. But I accept it, get over it, and even feel sorry for them.
metal572 : Yes I watched the videos. At least these men in the videos had the decency to make it clear that they don't have anything against Muslims but HATE Islamic law, that isn't hatred against people. Most religious Muslims out there are radical as that is what Islam teaches and not just select few. Muslims burn bibles in the middle east all the time and preach hate against infidels. Muslims do have problem with me and my belief and burns bibles and kills people like me. Of course I don't like that they do it. But I accept it, get over it, and even feel sorry for them.
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Hoochman : ...and then you condone when people do this stuff? Look, it's not as simple as hating Muslim teaching but being OK with Muslims. You yourself have expressed outrage that they would burn Bibles... so why do you seem to think it's OK to burn their "holy book" when we're supposed to love our enemies?
Hoochman : ...and then you condone when people do this stuff? Look, it's not as simple as hating Muslim teaching but being OK with Muslims. You yourself have expressed outrage that they would burn Bibles... so why do you seem to think it's OK to burn their "holy book" when we're supposed to love our enemies?
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Hoochman : well they can say whatever they want, it is obvious they do have a problem with them. and please answer the set of my thread. If i burned your bible would you like that? and since (as the guy said in the vid) "the book is not sacred to us" doesn't that mean they could use that to justify burning the bible? You can't condemn them when they do it but then justify it when Christians do it. It is just wrong, do u know who else burned books?? The nazis. They burned anything by a Jewish author or that said something they didnt like, burning of a book especially a religious book is just wrong no matter who did what first. From reading your "well they burned the bible first" comments I am thinking of how parents say "I don't care who started it I am finishing it!" and parents have a point, after it goes so far, who started it is not as important as ending the fight.
Hoochman : well they can say whatever they want, it is obvious they do have a problem with them. and please answer the set of my thread. If i burned your bible would you like that? and since (as the guy said in the vid) "the book is not sacred to us" doesn't that mean they could use that to justify burning the bible? You can't condemn them when they do it but then justify it when Christians do it. It is just wrong, do u know who else burned books?? The nazis. They burned anything by a Jewish author or that said something they didnt like, burning of a book especially a religious book is just wrong no matter who did what first. From reading your "well they burned the bible first" comments I am thinking of how parents say "I don't care who started it I am finishing it!" and parents have a point, after it goes so far, who started it is not as important as ending the fight.
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bigNATE : It is as simple as that. Regardless of our feelings we have to hate the sinful actions without hating the person himself. Kind of like what God does. I do not condone the actions. It simply does not bother me with what they do. Of course I feel annoyance at what they do to the bible and my flag, but I get over it. That's what matters. You can still love your enemies and be ill pleased with their actions. Biblical love is not feeling, but choice.

metal572 : I did answer the question. I do not like it when they burn the bible, but I get over it, that's what matters. Muslims need to get over it to. There is a difference between what these men are doing and what Muslims and Nazis did. Nazis and Muslims expressed a great personal malice at the Jews themselves and not just a simple doctrine. These people have distaste of Islamic law.
bigNATE : It is as simple as that. Regardless of our feelings we have to hate the sinful actions without hating the person himself. Kind of like what God does. I do not condone the actions. It simply does not bother me with what they do. Of course I feel annoyance at what they do to the bible and my flag, but I get over it. That's what matters. You can still love your enemies and be ill pleased with their actions. Biblical love is not feeling, but choice.

metal572 : I did answer the question. I do not like it when they burn the bible, but I get over it, that's what matters. Muslims need to get over it to. There is a difference between what these men are doing and what Muslims and Nazis did. Nazis and Muslims expressed a great personal malice at the Jews themselves and not just a simple doctrine. These people have distaste of Islamic law.
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Here is a quote from a guy who was debunking Part 1 of the movie "Zeitgeist". If you don't know what pt.1 of the "Zeitgeist" movie is about, its basically a guy trying to debunk Jesus. So this is what he said

"..Regardless how later professing christians behave, Jesus taught his followers to love all
people including their enemies. And to remain peaceful with all people at all costs violence
, bloodshed and spiritual fraud in the name of Jesus does not come from the bible, nor does
the new testament condone such events.....Anybody who reads the new testament for themselves
will see that violent christians live contrary to what the bible teaches and are therefore
not followers of Jesus at all"

Here is a quote from a guy who was debunking Part 1 of the movie "Zeitgeist". If you don't know what pt.1 of the "Zeitgeist" movie is about, its basically a guy trying to debunk Jesus. So this is what he said

"..Regardless how later professing christians behave, Jesus taught his followers to love all
people including their enemies. And to remain peaceful with all people at all costs violence
, bloodshed and spiritual fraud in the name of Jesus does not come from the bible, nor does
the new testament condone such events.....Anybody who reads the new testament for themselves
will see that violent christians live contrary to what the bible teaches and are therefore
not followers of Jesus at all"

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Hoochman : There is no difference between these people and Nazis. You say there is because they "don't show malice for the people just the law" do you not think this would hurt the people? or anger them? or belittle them? you don't find it disrespectful? Just because someone does something wrong doesn't make it ok to do it back. and no getting over it is not important, having tolerance and acceptance for different people is what is important, and this is the exact opposite. Again no one is saying the few who do this stuff are right, but we are saying it is not right of others to do it back. This will not help anything, it is hurtful, it is against freedom of religion, and its just plain wrong. there are (according to that video) aprox. 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, and maybe a few thousand are/condone extremists Muslims. I ask you again, please read at least some of the Koran. You will be surprised how much the real religion is different than what the extremists do.
Hoochman : There is no difference between these people and Nazis. You say there is because they "don't show malice for the people just the law" do you not think this would hurt the people? or anger them? or belittle them? you don't find it disrespectful? Just because someone does something wrong doesn't make it ok to do it back. and no getting over it is not important, having tolerance and acceptance for different people is what is important, and this is the exact opposite. Again no one is saying the few who do this stuff are right, but we are saying it is not right of others to do it back. This will not help anything, it is hurtful, it is against freedom of religion, and its just plain wrong. there are (according to that video) aprox. 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, and maybe a few thousand are/condone extremists Muslims. I ask you again, please read at least some of the Koran. You will be surprised how much the real religion is different than what the extremists do.
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metal572 : No, there is a big difference between these people and Nazis. I've already explained why so I won't explain again. Getting over it does matter and its something Muslims need to do. And no, about 75% of your faithful Muslims are radicals. And I have read the Koran, but apparently you haven't.
metal572 : No, there is a big difference between these people and Nazis. I've already explained why so I won't explain again. Getting over it does matter and its something Muslims need to do. And no, about 75% of your faithful Muslims are radicals. And I have read the Koran, but apparently you haven't.
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Hoochman :
“We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as he slew the whole people: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” (Qur'an 5: 32)

“Those who avoid the greater crimes and shameful deeds, and, when they are angry even then forgive; Those who harken to their Lord, and establish regular prayer; who conduct their affairs by mutual Consultation; who spend out of what We bestow on them for Sustenance; And those who, when an oppressive wrong is inflicted on them, are not cowed but help and defend themselves. The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto in degree: but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due, from God … But indeed if any show patience and forgive, that would truly be an exercise of courageous will and resolution in the conduct of affairs.” (Qur'an 42: 37-43)

“And your God is one God; there is no god but He Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the Night and the Day, in the sailing of the ships through the Ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which God sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth; here indeed are signs for a people that are wise.” (Qur'an 2: 163-164)

Thats just 3 passages from it. and btw, Muslims do respect the Torah and the Bilbe, but think that certain parts of it were corrupted by man.

oh and heres a qoute from the Bible showing that its not right to do this back to the FEW who do it.

“Do not repay evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all. If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave room for the wrath of God; for it is written, ‘Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord’. No, ‘if your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink; for by doing this you will heap burning coals on their heads’. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.” (Romans 12: 17-21)

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“We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as he slew the whole people: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” (Qur'an 5: 32)

“Those who avoid the greater crimes and shameful deeds, and, when they are angry even then forgive; Those who harken to their Lord, and establish regular prayer; who conduct their affairs by mutual Consultation; who spend out of what We bestow on them for Sustenance; And those who, when an oppressive wrong is inflicted on them, are not cowed but help and defend themselves. The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto in degree: but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due, from God … But indeed if any show patience and forgive, that would truly be an exercise of courageous will and resolution in the conduct of affairs.” (Qur'an 42: 37-43)

“And your God is one God; there is no god but He Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the Night and the Day, in the sailing of the ships through the Ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which God sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth; here indeed are signs for a people that are wise.” (Qur'an 2: 163-164)

Thats just 3 passages from it. and btw, Muslims do respect the Torah and the Bilbe, but think that certain parts of it were corrupted by man.

oh and heres a qoute from the Bible showing that its not right to do this back to the FEW who do it.

“Do not repay evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all. If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave room for the wrath of God; for it is written, ‘Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord’. No, ‘if your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink; for by doing this you will heap burning coals on their heads’. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.” (Romans 12: 17-21)

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the simple fact here is that religion has been used for thousands of years by a select group of people to control the people and thus gain power. If people would take the time to read the book they so strongly believe is true and actually live the way the book says to live then most of this violence would go away.

However, people would rather take offence and pass judgment on each other instead of trying to be reasonable and work out their differences.

If this preacher believes burning a Koran will make a difference then he is deluded. It will only add fuel to the fire.... he should try reading a book rather than burning one.
the simple fact here is that religion has been used for thousands of years by a select group of people to control the people and thus gain power. If people would take the time to read the book they so strongly believe is true and actually live the way the book says to live then most of this violence would go away.

However, people would rather take offence and pass judgment on each other instead of trying to be reasonable and work out their differences.

If this preacher believes burning a Koran will make a difference then he is deluded. It will only add fuel to the fire.... he should try reading a book rather than burning one.
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Hoochman : No offence, but stop pulling numbers out of your ass, you do it all the time.
I may not like Islamic law either, but most Muslims in general are no more stupid/evil then most christians.

The radicals are just a small group that have twisted the words in a storybook to suit their own agendas, the same as many christians have done in the past and continue to do.
And do you know the difference between terrorists and freedom fighters?
It is purely a matter of perception.
Hoochman : No offence, but stop pulling numbers out of your ass, you do it all the time.
I may not like Islamic law either, but most Muslims in general are no more stupid/evil then most christians.

The radicals are just a small group that have twisted the words in a storybook to suit their own agendas, the same as many christians have done in the past and continue to do.
And do you know the difference between terrorists and freedom fighters?
It is purely a matter of perception.
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yeah, jump into the pages of US history.... I bet in England the "Patriots" in America were seen as terrorists in some form or another. But to Americans now they were seen as freedom fighters and heroes. People worth looking up to and learning about. It all depends on which side of the ocean you live(d) on.
yeah, jump into the pages of US history.... I bet in England the "Patriots" in America were seen as terrorists in some form or another. But to Americans now they were seen as freedom fighters and heroes. People worth looking up to and learning about. It all depends on which side of the ocean you live(d) on.
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Hoochman, you need to take a religion class. Seriously. Comparing them to the Nazis is offensive to the memories of everyone that died in the Holocaust.

And for the record, it was not convert or die unless the person being threatened was a PAGAN, for Jews and Christians it was convert or pay the Heathen Tax. If any of you ever bothered to pick up a history of the 7th century you would know that.

As to this radical moron and his book burning... that's right, give them a reason to hate us more. Think about it for a second people, you guys are Christians right? Well, how do you react when radical Muslims say that you are the devil, and the radical, and burn the Bible or the American flag. You get pissed and want to fight them more. Fuel on the fire.

I cannot agree more with Geeogree and DarkHyren's statements.

Oh, metal572, you quoted the same passage twice, might want to edit it and put in the right one.
Hoochman, you need to take a religion class. Seriously. Comparing them to the Nazis is offensive to the memories of everyone that died in the Holocaust.

And for the record, it was not convert or die unless the person being threatened was a PAGAN, for Jews and Christians it was convert or pay the Heathen Tax. If any of you ever bothered to pick up a history of the 7th century you would know that.

As to this radical moron and his book burning... that's right, give them a reason to hate us more. Think about it for a second people, you guys are Christians right? Well, how do you react when radical Muslims say that you are the devil, and the radical, and burn the Bible or the American flag. You get pissed and want to fight them more. Fuel on the fire.

I cannot agree more with Geeogree and DarkHyren's statements.

Oh, metal572, you quoted the same passage twice, might want to edit it and put in the right one.
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Elara : Thanks for pointing that out to me, I forgot the one where it talks about how merciful and caring God is, but it's fixed now.
Elara : Thanks for pointing that out to me, I forgot the one where it talks about how merciful and caring God is, but it's fixed now.
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No problem, figured that you copy/pasted the same passage twice.
No problem, figured that you copy/pasted the same passage twice.
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Elara : I frankly couldn't care less if it is offensive to compare them to Nazis. Its the biggest load of crap that just because someone else finds it offensive you should keep it quiet! Its bull! And I'm tired of people who talk like "Shouldn't you not be doing this or that and do it this way if your a Christian. Most people who do that completely take out of context the subject they're referring to. And frankly I do know religion.

geeogree : I disagree. There is an almost incomparable difference between the old revolutionaries of then and the new Islamic Militants of now. The revolutionaries fought for independence while the Islamic militants fight for the extermination of Israel, Christians and any other non believers.

DarkHyren : It would be best for you to watch what you say to me. I pull no numbers out of my ass, but an old worker in Israel who part of his job was to know this stuff. Before I heard these people talk, I was as deceived as you are into believing that old 10-15% number.

metal572 : Sura 5:51: “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them.” This friendship makes any Muslim a enemy of their own and deserving of the same fate as the unbeliever. This is because God does not guide an unjust people.

3:85 “Whoever seeks other than Islam as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he will be with the losers” “Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. Fight against such of those who have been given the scripture as believe not in Allah nor the last Day….

4:89 “seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Sura 9:5)

4:101 “When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you: For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.” 4:102 “For the Unbelievers, Allah has prepared a humiliating punishment.”
Elara : I frankly couldn't care less if it is offensive to compare them to Nazis. Its the biggest load of crap that just because someone else finds it offensive you should keep it quiet! Its bull! And I'm tired of people who talk like "Shouldn't you not be doing this or that and do it this way if your a Christian. Most people who do that completely take out of context the subject they're referring to. And frankly I do know religion.

geeogree : I disagree. There is an almost incomparable difference between the old revolutionaries of then and the new Islamic Militants of now. The revolutionaries fought for independence while the Islamic militants fight for the extermination of Israel, Christians and any other non believers.

DarkHyren : It would be best for you to watch what you say to me. I pull no numbers out of my ass, but an old worker in Israel who part of his job was to know this stuff. Before I heard these people talk, I was as deceived as you are into believing that old 10-15% number.

metal572 : Sura 5:51: “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them.” This friendship makes any Muslim a enemy of their own and deserving of the same fate as the unbeliever. This is because God does not guide an unjust people.

3:85 “Whoever seeks other than Islam as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he will be with the losers” “Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. Fight against such of those who have been given the scripture as believe not in Allah nor the last Day….

4:89 “seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Sura 9:5)

4:101 “When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you: For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.” 4:102 “For the Unbelievers, Allah has prepared a humiliating punishment.”
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What do you think the Muslims view the state of Israel as? An oppressor. They are fighting for their own freedom in the region.... especially the Palestinians.
What do you think the Muslims view the state of Israel as? An oppressor. They are fighting for their own freedom in the region.... especially the Palestinians.
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Hoochman : Leviticus 20:9
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.
Deuteronomy 22:20-1 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house.

Exodus 35:2
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
20:10-17 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

do any of those sound familiar to you? That's right, those are Bible verses. So if the bible has extreme punishments tht Christians as a majority do not condone anymore, then why couldn't Muslims have extreme punishments but as a majority not condone them anymore?

Hoochman : Leviticus 20:9
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.
Deuteronomy 22:20-1 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house.

Exodus 35:2
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
20:10-17 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

do any of those sound familiar to you? That's right, those are Bible verses. So if the bible has extreme punishments tht Christians as a majority do not condone anymore, then why couldn't Muslims have extreme punishments but as a majority not condone them anymore?

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