Originally posted by Dragon master

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Which is exactly what most religious people do.

Also, stop being so narrowminded that you think that religion = fanatic.

Most people that are religious do not live 100% to their religion, and most aren't threating people to think their way.

Face it, you're acting exactly as the missionaries for religions.

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yeah, this about sums it up.

I am catholic but I dont believe there is a true religion

Originally posted by P070

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I am catholic but I dont believe there is a true religion

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aren't those mutually exclusive? technically at least?

Originally posted by Dragon master

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Which is exactly what most religious people do.

Also, stop being so narrowminded that you think that religion = fanatic.

Most people that are religious do not live 100% to their religion, and most aren't threating people to think their way.

Face it, you're acting exactly as the missionaries for religions.

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Are you kidding me? Occasionally (like not even monthly) giving someone advice (that they asked for) is ABSOLUTELY different from going around telling people (without their consent) to convert to their religion or go to hell. That's what missionaries do; people have tried to convert ME before and that was their main argument. And about the ones who go to more "primitive" civilizations and give them aid ONLY on the condition that they convert, those people are horrible. They have no interest in the well being of the people, only their own self-interest in getting more people to be like them. Also, when did I say that religious people are fanatics? I didn't, and I don't think that way so don't pull that BS out of thin air. Also, most religious people aren't missionaries, as some religions want people to discover their religion for themselves, rather than be fed religious propaganda by some random person. Yeah, I know most people don't stick 100% to their religion, me included, but a religion still dictates much of a person's actions (whether consciously or subconsciously). I also never referred to religious people in general, only missionaries, so stop pretending that I'm talking about anyone who is religious. DM, you're making a bunch of inferences based on things I never said. If you want to debate this, you need to base your arguments on things that I actually said and when I do say something, don't blow it well out of proportion.

Originally posted by ziggy

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Are you kidding me? Occasionally (like not even monthly) giving someone advice (that they asked for) is ABSOLUTELY different from going around telling people (without their consent) to convert to their religion or go to hell.

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Monthly? You never mentioned monthly until just now, all your posts made it seem like you did this daily and without their consent because after all, you did say that you were pushy.


In short: You're acting like a missionary, accept it.

Originally posted by ziggy

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That's what missionaries do; people have tried to convert ME before and that was their main argument. And about the ones who go to more "primitive" civilizations and give them aid ONLY on the condition that they convert, those people are horrible. They have no interest in the well being of the people, only their own self-interest in getting more people to be like them.

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This part is just idiotic and FULL OF PREJUDICE, not all Missionaries are bad people, AND most of them do this for YOUR sake. In short, stop being so narrowminded.

Originally posted by ziggy

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Also, when did I say that religious people are fanatics? I didn't, and I don't think that way so don't pull that BS out of thin air. Also, most religious people aren't missionaries, as some religions want people to discover their religion for themselves, rather than be fed religious propaganda by some random person.

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Your every single post made it sound like you have some problem with religious people, and that makes it sound like you think all of them are fanatics.

Also you didn't even mention missionaries at all until I did, and as such it sounded like you spoke about all religious people.

Originally posted by ziggy

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Yeah, I know most people don't stick 100% to their religion, me included, but a religion still dictates much of a person's actions (whether consciously or subconsciously). I also never referred to religious people in general, only missionaries, so stop pretending that I'm talking about anyone who is religious. DM, you're making a bunch of inferences based on things I never said. If you want to debate this, you need to base your arguments on things that I actually said and when I do say something, don't blow it well out of proportion.

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Ziggy, you're the one that needs to stop basing arguments on things you never said, I'm the basing it on what you say.

I figured I implied missionaries when I said "people who try to convert others to their religion.

I never said I was pushy, just pushier when telling somebody what not to do rather than what to do. I can see where there would be some confusion.

I don't think that missionaries are necessarily bad people, they just have very backwards beliefs. You don't try to convert someone to your beliefs unless you believe that the only right way of thinking is your way of thinking.

What I said isn't idiotic, it's sadly true. Maybe that isn't what most of them do, but the ones that I've encountered have.

How can I base my arguments on things I didn't say or at the least imply? That doesn't make much sense. Also, it seemed like you based much of your arguments on misconceptions of what I said, which I guess is understandable.

In short, I don't act like a missionary because I don't make it an everyday job to tell people what they should believe. If I'm acting like a missionary then a lifestyle coach would also be a missionary for telling people how to make the best out of their lives. Now you're making a ridiculous generalization about anyone who gives anyone else advice about anything. Basically, you're saying that everyone is a missionary, which is a really outrageous claim

Yay logic debates.

nope.... boo logic debates....

I think this thread has run it's course personally.... I don't think it was ever intended to actually be a debate thread and I don't want to read anymore of this.



If anyone in here actually want to discuss religions I suggest making a similar thread in the Christian section.... although if anyone actually thinks this thread still has merit in the condition it is in then feel free to PM me and I'll listen to your arguments (as long as they aren't as bad as the arguing going on in this thread )