Didowe : True, it's not that Sonic never worked in 3D, I've played enough 3D Sonic to relate to that. But the fact is, they're always mediocre compared to other franchises who have switched over to 3D. And, they've had such a clumsy transition, along with problems that still exist in the newest of 3D incarnations, like camera and stuff like that.
Plus, they have such radical insane ideas that just tear away from what Sonic games are all about: speed. These are those "gimmicks" you speak of. But unlike Mario, these are completely changing the direction of the games in some aspect. Why the heck does Sonic need a sword or a werehog transformation or why does Shadow need gunplay? Heck, why does Sonic Adventure 2 have those treasure hunting sessions? They're not making the game fast, it's slowing it down.
And I can't believe you say you can't feel a retro feel with Mario. What? What ??? Super Mario Galaxy just screams it at you.
Sure, complaining about eye color is ridiculous, but you're looking at the wrong crowd here. That's not the majority of the Sonic fans. You're not complaining about eye color, I'm not complaining about eye color, I bet half of the Sonic fans on this forum if not all of them don't give a crap about eye color. You're taking that way out of proportion. Just because of some random people who signed some petition complain about it, doesn't mean that every Sonic fan calls for it. But, a huge majority of Sonic fans like and want Sonic 4. Why? Because it brings back memories of their favorite classic games, sans the flaws that the 3D games have like cheesy storylines, somewhat laughable voice acting, and crazy gimmicks that slow Sonic down.
You can't expect every game to be radically different when there's already a formula in place. If you don't like the fact that most franchises have the nearly the same gameplay, but with better graphics, a different story, or different levels, then you might as well suck it up, cause most of the better games out there are like that.
But then again, people like change right? So why is it that people complain about both changing the game and following the same formula? I don't know. People just always have something to complain about, and frankly, I'm sick and tired of people complaining about every single thing that they can think of. I love retro style games, I love modern games, I love 2D and 3D alike. Why can't everyone else just do that too? They're just so dissatisfied. They're not bad games, but apparently they're not up to their standards. But when they make a game changes what you like about a certain game series in the first place, that's when you can complain, because it ruins the series itself.

WHEW... rant over

I suppose I do admit that retro games are way overblown and are not actually as good as they are made out to be.

Sonic was gimmicky from the start. The Sega Master System's big selling point over the NES was that is was 16-bit instead of 8-bit. It still failed to outsell the NES, so what they did was create a rival to Mario, but that shows off the SMS's superior graphics, an exploitation of which led to the gameplay flaws which still exist today. Even in the 2D days of Sonic, you hardly ever got to run at full speed anyways because you'd still have to jump over stuff (likely hitting the side of a hill) or just run head-on into the enemies and spikes and slow down anyways. 3D added technical aspects that worked without necessarily requiring you to slow down, like rail grinding and the homing attack. That's not to say they haven't made mistakes with some recent games, but I blame most of the Sonic Wars on the bitter Sega fanboys who hate Nintendo for consuming Sega after it finally lost the console wars.

billythekidmonster : Not you , if you read carefully, I was talking about the people on youtube, I was in NO way referring to you, everyone has their own opinion .

Well, towards the thread's title, I'd say nostalgia only goes so far, then advancement is needed. So if remakes are hindering advancement, then it only depends on the gamers .

Didowe : Oh sorry I am glad that this is all cleared up then. I thought that you were blowing up on me and saying I was thouse things. Sorry for the miss-communication.