Porn is a drug. It has all the same effects as a drug and is equally as illusory. Drugs are bad, mkay?

RDay13 : It's not an insult. He's ignorant and I'm calling him ignorant. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. He lacks knowledge.

Lexatom : It's illegal to speed on the highway too. Laws are just laws. Laws are not morality. Congress could make them all legal in an instant. And if you would do research instead of soak in your own ignorance, you would quickly realize the benefits of the people you are prejudiced against. Finally, if the nation does get nasty, you bet I will be out of here. I will not be around while you begin shooting at people, and I will not care who fired the first shot.

RDay13 : The middle still voted for the radicals. If I'm escalating anything, it's simply because I am well aware of the actual tensions of the world right now. France is about to elect a crazy as well. The EU is about to fall, NATO is about to fall, and Russian expansion has already begun. This is grotesque, and any optimism about it getting better are reasonless. Yes, people are entitled to their opinions, but they better not get they're panties in a wad when I tell them my fears that they are my executioner.

FinalFantasyDBC : I cannot believe someone who says they're a moderate yet voted for alt-right trump in the primaries is telling the truth. If you're a moderate, you can't possibly believe that Trump was the best possible candidate, especially because Kasich and Rubio were in the primaries for a long time and were drastically closer to the middle. I still think you're lying. And if you find this rude, you need to rethink from my POV.

And for the record, "I voted for Trump" is pretty disgusting by itself, but I just usually don't comment like that if they only remorsefully voted for him in the general election.

Lexatom : You seem really picky on behavior. Sometimes the truth hurts. I don't see a need to further sugarcoat this. I'm not belittling at all, I'm demanding him to reflect on his humble position. There was no insult.

But I fear for the future because of Trump supporters. I must tackle this issue based on it's own gravity. Between the
liberals protesting and Trumpers pride, this can easily escalate and I
will be caught in the middle as a peacekeeper. I fear a civil war. I fear the suffering of my family or my own life. I will not compromise my own integrity, and for this I could die. I've been jumped for way less, but by the same exact hostile pride I see in the factions of our nation. I will suffer, both by result and by choice, because of this atmosphere that you helped create. Perhaps the suffering of others will be the decisive factor in your own revaluation of this grossly immoral climate.

#MakeAmericaMoralAgain

Illegal immigrants are good for the economy, btw. Even conservatives say so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C52TlPCVDio

skrt-lord : lol, I'm just a nerd. If you like this kind of stuff, here's the wikipedia page below.

---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_the_United_States <---

Oldschool777 : We're usually total opposites, haha. I'm glad we have something to call common ground.

The misleading point to your argument is that it strawman's the pro-life argument. We can't pick between two lives. There are two lives. The claim of the pro-lifers are that human life is inherently valuable, regardless what kind of damage or lack of development the life has. I would eventually choose to save my hypothetical wife, but not because I rely on any claim within the pro-choice argument. Truly, the claim that use to choose my wife over the fatal child is pro-life - my wife's life is also inherently valuable. I do not demand people sacrifice their lives for others when it is not prudent. Within the scenario you gave me, as the risk increases, it becomes less and less morally prudent to advise my wife to carry the child to term. I must also value her life, and eventually I would choose to C-section prematurely, even with a statistical chance of death for the child at 100%.

FinalFantasyDBC : That kinda disgusts me.

But to my actual point, if you voted for trump in the primaries, you did want to vote for trump. That's the whole point of a primary system: you pick the guy you want within your party. When you say "it is not so much that I wanted to vote for trump...", I think you're lying.

Divine Aurora : Nuclear arsenal does not need anything. It works just fine. The computers used cannot be hacked because they cannot access the internet. That's about as secure as you can get. The missiles work just fine. They deactivate and test one every so often, and they do everything they're supposed to. And even if a few fail, we have enough nukes to destroy the whole world. Even if half the nukes fail, we still have enough to destroy the whole world.

FinalFantasyDBC : Who did you vote for in the primaries?

Oldschool777 : The scenario you gave between my hypothetical wife and my hypothetical retarded child is misleading. You're asking me to choose between one of two lives. Of course the question is hard. But likely, I would submit to mild danger for the sake of the child.

I do not kill for convenience.

I also do not like people reproducing willy-nilly. I wouldn't have a problem with *mandatory* birth control for public school students (junior high, high school, and college). I'm fine with regulating birth control efforts because most pregnancies are unplanned. I'm fine with limiting tax benefits to only a set number of children (meaning if you have more than the set number, like 4, you don't get tax breaks for the fifth one). These are all means I'm willing to use to help families (and women in particular) to have happier lives. Abortion is not an appropriate solution.

Lexatom : Yes, I'll absolutely count age and maturity in my analysis of people's decisions. That's not wrong. It's prudent. Trump is a monster. If you don't see this, you're immature. And no, I have no problem with saying that a third of grown adults are immature too. Anyone that supports Trump is willingly blinding themselves to the truth, they are immature, and I hope they grow up. They need to examine themselves and become better people. Need.

yoshirulez! : I don't really care that you don't like my responses. You need to reevaluate this presidency. Need. Again, I am a conservative. Trump is not. Take a step back and stop being fooled. Learn history. Learn political theory. Learn economics. Trump makes massive, consistent errors in all these things. Please learn. If our population cannot learn what is true and what is not, our nation will not survive long. Fascism is not fun. I do not want to cooperate with the fascist and I do not want to die. Please stop this early. Please. You scare me.

-Drew- : The internet is full of crazies. Tumblr is probably one of the worst. It seems to be a spot where people look for reasons to feel like they're not accepted, and then they yell that they're not accepted. Then, after calming down, they go and get weirder, again looking to be told they're weird, and then yelling about it.

The gays at the bar I work at use tumblr for porn. I would simply stay away from the site if I were you.

Lovelesscatxxo : So your argument is to kill the fetus because it's potentially going to have a difficult life? The poor have difficult lives now. So we should just kill them too, just in case? Come on...

Children should get what they need, yes. Agreed. The solution is to give them what they need, not to kill them. That's like saying "This frozen pizza is disgusting" and then throwing it away before you've finished cooking it.

Oldschool777 : Of course I would pay to live in a fridge, if that's all that was left. But I wouldn't kill the man next to me so I could get a little elbow room. Your solution is just to kill the unwanted. That's intolerable.

But you give a second, less monstrous argument. You say "I would rather a trained doctor do it than some jack@$$ with a coat hanger or the old donkey punch method to kill the fetus." While this is slightly better, don't confuse yourself, you're still killing something because you find it inconvenient. I applaud you for having moral inclinations toward the mother, but lets relate this to the original argument: population control. Wouldn't you want the deaths of the mothers too, so that they never make any more children? With a dirty hanger and some whiskey, you could get a two for one deal on death. If we're concerned with just reducing the population (or reducing it's rise), wouldn't that be the better option for you?

But I'll assume the population control argument was simply picked because it is unique. Perhaps you really do care for the future and the presently pregnant. Here's the question: is the kind of future you want one in which we kill humans for convenience? If yes, I don't really know where to start with you. But if no, you're not as far away from the pro-life position as you think.

Lovelesscatxxo : If it wasn't aborted, it would at least be alive...

Regardless of political positions, Obama at least had basic competence and wasn't a foreign relations disaster.

I'm a conservative, and Trump's credentials and first three weeks have already made him our worst president. The only comparable president would be Andrew Jackson, who was equally fascist, racist, and destructive.

yoshirulez!: Trump is awful. I will assume you're young. Please continue your education.

Oldschool777 : Yes, I want the population to keep rising. Yes, I will gladly pay people to be hygienic in densely populated areas. These things aren't problems, they're developments.

Zlinqx : Yes, without innovation, a rising population and an increase demand for energy will end up causing major problems. I do trust people enough to innovate a bit before that happens, or at least expand the infrastructure to compensate (and not kill off the planet).

Noyb42 : I would gladly subsidize birth control, pregnancy care, and child care for moms before supporting abortion.

Ghostbear1111 : I totally agree with you that forceful restraint is way preferable to striking. I guess we depart only in the fact that I do not rule it out as something potentially beneficial. I am quite confident that striking is more readily abused than any other parental tactic, and definitely believe that some children go through their life without ever needing to be hit. I simply don't want to say that every child can go without it in all circumstances. The sweeping generalization seems to rule out a significant portion of the psychology in negative reinforcement, and I'm not convinced of that leap.

Oldschool777 :
darthyoda :

Perhaps these two links below would be helpful.

https://overpopulationisamyth.com/

https://persquaremile.com/2011/01/18/if-the-worlds-population-lived-in-one-city/

Ultrajeff : You're demonstrably wrong. Illegal immigration is good for our country, but only if it remains illegal. Milton Friedman, a stalwart limited-government republican, is pro-illegal-immigration, but anti-amnesty. The conservative position is not to put excessive government regulation on our borders, command the economy, or hurt businesses.

I don't know your level of education, but hopefully you can understand the below video. It's 8 minutes, but chalk full of real conservatism.