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02-24-17 02:38 PM
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It's been a while, but here I am This is not a debate. Just a thought and something I want to share with fellow Christians, but feel free to comment. I've been listening to a teaching the other day and the Pastor said something that was maybe obvious from a Christian's perspective, but for me it was quite profound. God can't be disappointed. He is never disappointed in you. It's not like He's going, "Oops! I didn't know you where going to do that." He is All-knowing and outside of time. He is not and cannot be surprised by anything, so if there's disappointment, it's almost always coming from you. We condemn ourselves when we fall into that same old sin for the 100th time. God knew. He always does. What you have to do is plain and simple. Go to Him and repent. For God is "good, and ready to forgive, And abundant in mercy to all those who call upon You." (Psalm 86:5) Just confess your sins and "He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9). That's a promise. This is not a debate. Just a thought and something I want to share with fellow Christians, but feel free to comment. I've been listening to a teaching the other day and the Pastor said something that was maybe obvious from a Christian's perspective, but for me it was quite profound. God can't be disappointed. He is never disappointed in you. It's not like He's going, "Oops! I didn't know you where going to do that." He is All-knowing and outside of time. He is not and cannot be surprised by anything, so if there's disappointment, it's almost always coming from you. We condemn ourselves when we fall into that same old sin for the 100th time. God knew. He always does. What you have to do is plain and simple. Go to Him and repent. For God is "good, and ready to forgive, And abundant in mercy to all those who call upon You." (Psalm 86:5) Just confess your sins and "He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9). That's a promise. |
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I have to say, that is a good point! God isn't disappointed in us. He knows what we'll do, and that's why he doesn't have those, "Oops" moments. Baritron : Forgiveness is good. God gives it, but that doesn't mean that God will let you get away with everything. If I go kill people, God will forgive, but he'll not forget. Nothing is beyond punishment. Baritron : Forgiveness is good. God gives it, but that doesn't mean that God will let you get away with everything. If I go kill people, God will forgive, but he'll not forget. Nothing is beyond punishment. |
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darthyoda : "God will forgive but he will not forget."
That's not forgiveness. Forgiveness is truly letting go. And I think God is fairly jealous and suffers from the same emotions the rest of us do. God demands obedience. He demands it. He basically makes a guy almost kill his son to show how obedient he is. We are asked to do things to please him. We are to be living and holy sacrifices that are acceptable to God as a way of worship. If he finds things that are acceptable, that means he finds things that aren't acceptable. That means emotion, which means God experiences emotion as much as humanity does. That rules in disappointment. God gets angry. The New Testament is all friendly and God-is-my-Pal. The Old Testament, God gets mad at people and destroys them with floods, plagues, and wars. He punishes because He is angry and disappointed. I disagree with the original statement. God sure isn't surprised by things but He is certainly disappointed by them. He shows it. Ask the Amelekites if God is a kind and loving God. That's not forgiveness. Forgiveness is truly letting go. And I think God is fairly jealous and suffers from the same emotions the rest of us do. God demands obedience. He demands it. He basically makes a guy almost kill his son to show how obedient he is. We are asked to do things to please him. We are to be living and holy sacrifices that are acceptable to God as a way of worship. If he finds things that are acceptable, that means he finds things that aren't acceptable. That means emotion, which means God experiences emotion as much as humanity does. That rules in disappointment. God gets angry. The New Testament is all friendly and God-is-my-Pal. The Old Testament, God gets mad at people and destroys them with floods, plagues, and wars. He punishes because He is angry and disappointed. I disagree with the original statement. God sure isn't surprised by things but He is certainly disappointed by them. He shows it. Ask the Amelekites if God is a kind and loving God. |
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Baritron : How could anyone, having been delivered from sin's penalty, eternity in hell, go back to living the same life that had him on the path to hell in the first place? How could anyone, having been cleansed from the defilement of sin, desire to go back to the same cesspool of depravity? How could anyone, knowing what Jesus Christ did on our behalf, go on living as if He were not important? How could anyone, realizing how much Christ suffered for our sins, continue sinning as if those sufferings were meaningless?
Romans 6:11-15 declares, “In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!” For the truly converted, then, continuing to live sinfully is not an option. Because our conversion resulted in a completely new nature, our desire is to no longer live in sin. Yes, we still sin, but instead of wallowing in it as we once did, we now hate it and wish to be delivered from it. The idea of “taking advantage” of Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf by continuing to live sinfully is unthinkable. If a person believes himself to be a Christian and still desires to live the old, sinful life, he has reason to doubt his salvation. “Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?” (2 Corinthians 13:5). Ghostbear1111 : "God experiences emotion as much as humanity does" and "He punishes because He is angry and disappointed" It would be foolish to ignore the passages in scripture that talk about God’s anger. Yes, God does get angry; there are many examples in the Bible of this. He “displays his wrath every day” (Psalm 7:11). However, we must not equate God’s anger with our own human experiences of that emotion. We must look again to the Bible. Ephesians 4:26–27 tells us it is possible to experience anger but not sin. As God cannot sin, we know that His anger is righteous, unlike the common experience of anger in ourselves. As James 1:20 says, “Human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires.” The context of the verses of God getting angry reveals why He gets angry. God gets angry when there is a violation of His character. God is righteous, just, and holy, and none of these attributes can be compromised (Exodus 20:4–6; Isaiah 42:8). God was angry with the nation of Israel and with Israel’s kings every time they turned away from obeying Him (e.g., 1 Kings 11:9–10; 17:18). The wicked practices of the nations in Canaan, such as child sacrifice and sexual perversion, aroused God’s anger to the point He commanded Israel to completely destroy them—every man, woman, child, and animal—to remove wickedness from the land (Deuteronomy 7:1–6). Just as a parent becomes angry at anything that would hurt his children, so God’s anger is directed at that which would harm His people and their relationship with Him. “‘As surely as I live,’ declares the Sovereign LORD, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live’” (Ezekiel 33:11). In the New Testament, Jesus got angry with the religious teachers and leaders of that day for using religion for their own gain and keeping people in bondage (John 2:13–16; Mark 3:4–5). Romans 1:18 tells us God’s anger, or wrath, comes against “the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness.” So God gets angry at the wickedness in people, and He opposes that wickedness in an effort to turn them from evil, that they may find true life and freedom in Him. Even in His anger, God’s motivation is love for people; to restore the relationship that sin destroyed. A common mistake that's made is that people, including Christians distinguish between an angry Old Testament God and a loving, peaceful New Testament God. Guys, God is the same, now and forever (Malachi 3:6). The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New testament. See examples above. Romans 6:11-15 declares, “In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!” For the truly converted, then, continuing to live sinfully is not an option. Because our conversion resulted in a completely new nature, our desire is to no longer live in sin. Yes, we still sin, but instead of wallowing in it as we once did, we now hate it and wish to be delivered from it. The idea of “taking advantage” of Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf by continuing to live sinfully is unthinkable. If a person believes himself to be a Christian and still desires to live the old, sinful life, he has reason to doubt his salvation. “Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?” (2 Corinthians 13:5). Ghostbear1111 : "God experiences emotion as much as humanity does" and "He punishes because He is angry and disappointed" It would be foolish to ignore the passages in scripture that talk about God’s anger. Yes, God does get angry; there are many examples in the Bible of this. He “displays his wrath every day” (Psalm 7:11). However, we must not equate God’s anger with our own human experiences of that emotion. We must look again to the Bible. Ephesians 4:26–27 tells us it is possible to experience anger but not sin. As God cannot sin, we know that His anger is righteous, unlike the common experience of anger in ourselves. As James 1:20 says, “Human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires.” The context of the verses of God getting angry reveals why He gets angry. God gets angry when there is a violation of His character. God is righteous, just, and holy, and none of these attributes can be compromised (Exodus 20:4–6; Isaiah 42:8). God was angry with the nation of Israel and with Israel’s kings every time they turned away from obeying Him (e.g., 1 Kings 11:9–10; 17:18). The wicked practices of the nations in Canaan, such as child sacrifice and sexual perversion, aroused God’s anger to the point He commanded Israel to completely destroy them—every man, woman, child, and animal—to remove wickedness from the land (Deuteronomy 7:1–6). Just as a parent becomes angry at anything that would hurt his children, so God’s anger is directed at that which would harm His people and their relationship with Him. “‘As surely as I live,’ declares the Sovereign LORD, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live’” (Ezekiel 33:11). In the New Testament, Jesus got angry with the religious teachers and leaders of that day for using religion for their own gain and keeping people in bondage (John 2:13–16; Mark 3:4–5). Romans 1:18 tells us God’s anger, or wrath, comes against “the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness.” So God gets angry at the wickedness in people, and He opposes that wickedness in an effort to turn them from evil, that they may find true life and freedom in Him. Even in His anger, God’s motivation is love for people; to restore the relationship that sin destroyed. A common mistake that's made is that people, including Christians distinguish between an angry Old Testament God and a loving, peaceful New Testament God. Guys, God is the same, now and forever (Malachi 3:6). The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New testament. See examples above. |
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SoL@R : But what if Heaven and Hell and God and Jesus and all that biblical jazz is fake and we can just do whatever we want to on this Earth and there will be no consequences after death? |
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Baritron : That is up to belief, and is getting off topic... SoL@R : Great points about God and anger... I really think it's hard for us to think "4th dimensionally" as looking outside the box isn't a human trait... we follow patterns, and we stereotype. That is why we attempt to make God like us, instead of conforming to Him. Which is why I think that we often mistake God being able to be disappointed. (But again, my opinion.) SoL@R : Great points about God and anger... I really think it's hard for us to think "4th dimensionally" as looking outside the box isn't a human trait... we follow patterns, and we stereotype. That is why we attempt to make God like us, instead of conforming to Him. Which is why I think that we often mistake God being able to be disappointed. (But again, my opinion.) |
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I'm a Christian so I will offer my take on this. God is merciful and forgiving as he became the son (the flesh Jesus Christ) to die and rise again so people will be saved for those that repent and believe. However, God can be disappointed in us. For example God was disappointed in King David at first, He was also disappointed in the Apostle Peter too. However, David and Peter repented. We make choices that are disappointing to God. As human beings we can make some awful choices sometimes as nobody is perfect. But, if you repent then you get to experience the Joy instead of disappointment |
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I have never agreed with that line of thinking. Let me explain. Now,I am going to sound a little crass here. I see these so-called "Christians" all over town and they are dressed in their Sunday best,acting like pillars of the community,etc...Now,as soon as service lets out,they forget all that they have sat through and act like their usual heathen selves. They act like they do not have to be decent or honest. I have never understood how God can forgive people that act like jack@$$es for 6 days,go to church,confess or say "Please forgive me,God." and their slate is cleared. I understand last rites,at least give the dying a chance to redeem themselves. But with most religions,unless you make an actual attempt to change yourself,you will be in the bad books. But,I think we forget this one little detail about religion...They are thought up by man and henceforth are flawed. We may have a copy of the rules,but the rules are also written by man. I understand last rites,at least give the dying a chance to redeem themselves. But with most religions,unless you make an actual attempt to change yourself,you will be in the bad books. But,I think we forget this one little detail about religion...They are thought up by man and henceforth are flawed. We may have a copy of the rules,but the rules are also written by man. |
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Baritron : If it's fake and I am wrong about God, judgement day, Hell etc. then I've got nothing to lose, but if you are wrong in believing there's no God who will judge you for your sins, no Hell, no consequence of your actions, then you've got everything to lose... Oldschool777 : I think my whole post gets kind of warped in its understanding, that's why I specifically addressed it to real Christians - I do not mean it in a "holier than thou" attitude. The ones you referred to in your post are the typical "false converts". Dressing in your "Sunday best" does not make you more holy or "Christian" - man made rules, aka religion taught us to do that on Sundays, as you have rightly mentioned. You don't have to worry about "them". God can see past the mask. He sees us for who we really are - doesn't matter how well we dress or how righteous we try to look and sound on Sundays. It's easy to speak "Christianese". I know, I've been there. Once you truly meet the one and only, living God, all masks are off. There's no more faking it because when He gets hold of your heart, you realise how much of a jack@$$ you really are - not to humiliate you, but to humble you so you will realise you're not that great and you need Him for everything in your life. If you have a proud heart and think the sun shines from the part where you sit on, God will not and cannot forgive you, because He "resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”(James 4:6) So once again - don't fret about those "Christians" - God sees the heart. "But,I think we forget this one little detail about religion...They are thought up by man and henceforth are flawed." Agree 100% "We may have a copy of the rules,but the rules are also written by man." Yes, but inspired by God. The Bible is "God breathed". It was God's Spirit leading these men to write down His words, His truths. It's a whole other topic by itself. Oldschool777 : I think my whole post gets kind of warped in its understanding, that's why I specifically addressed it to real Christians - I do not mean it in a "holier than thou" attitude. The ones you referred to in your post are the typical "false converts". Dressing in your "Sunday best" does not make you more holy or "Christian" - man made rules, aka religion taught us to do that on Sundays, as you have rightly mentioned. You don't have to worry about "them". God can see past the mask. He sees us for who we really are - doesn't matter how well we dress or how righteous we try to look and sound on Sundays. It's easy to speak "Christianese". I know, I've been there. Once you truly meet the one and only, living God, all masks are off. There's no more faking it because when He gets hold of your heart, you realise how much of a jack@$$ you really are - not to humiliate you, but to humble you so you will realise you're not that great and you need Him for everything in your life. If you have a proud heart and think the sun shines from the part where you sit on, God will not and cannot forgive you, because He "resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”(James 4:6) So once again - don't fret about those "Christians" - God sees the heart. "But,I think we forget this one little detail about religion...They are thought up by man and henceforth are flawed." Agree 100% "We may have a copy of the rules,but the rules are also written by man." Yes, but inspired by God. The Bible is "God breathed". It was God's Spirit leading these men to write down His words, His truths. It's a whole other topic by itself. |
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