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Good day fellow Vizzed board members. So I've been trying to think of an interesting debate topic, but I haven't been able to think of a good one. So after going through the list of Debate topics, I found that we don't have a topic about Cannibalism (unless I overlooked...but we do have a ton of threads about Sex). So I figure I make one about this topic. So I'm sure as all of you know, Cannibalism is the act of a human eating another human. It was a common practice in some ancient cultures (usually Native American or African); but today we tend to think of Cannibalism as a great evil thing to do (I say this loosely). There are also legal cases that had been decided as well... In the case of R v Dudley and Stephens, 4 men had their boat sank and they were stuck in the middle of the ocean without any food. The men decided that the only way to survive is to eat someone. They drew lots and a Seventeen year old was the loser (talk about bad luck), but the 3 other men couldn't do it. After a couple of days later in which the same Seventeen year old lost conciseness (supposedly) and the 3 men finally gave in to the hunger and killed/ate the boy. A couple of days after killing him, a passing ship rescued them. The 3 men were arrest and charged with murder. 2 of the man (Dudley and Stephens) were convicted of murder and sentenced to 6 months imprisonment (both men were later pardoned by the Queen...at least according to my Law book, but then again this was an English Case Law and I was reading it from an American Case Law book). Dudley and Stephens claimed that necessity defense. This is a defense that argues that had these 2 men not killed and eaten the 17 year old boy, both they and the boy would have died from hunger. While the defense failed to get them off the charge, the defense raised an interesting issue. And as some of you might know, during the infamous Donner Party crossing of 1846; these people also resorted to cannibalism after they were trapped in a freak snowstorm and had little to no food available. In a more modern area, there was a story involving a person posting an ad on a computer (I think it was in Germany) were a guy was asking people if they would mind if he could eat them. One person said yes to the ad, the two people met up, and the guy who posted the ad ate the person. Now in todays Modern area, most "civilized" societies view cannibalism as an immoral or evil act to commit, unless a person is forced to commit cannibalism in order to save his life (at which point the public still views it as immoral or evil, but they can see why they would commit such an act) So that is a little background on the history of cannibalism. Now its time for you guys to speak you mind about this topic... What is your guys opinion on Cannibalism? Should a person in the same situation as Dudley and the Donner party be excused for killing/eating someone if they know they will die if they don't (make sure you read the Dudley and Donner stuff before you answer this question)? Is performing an act of Cannibalism an immoral/evil act to commit? Good day fellow Vizzed board members. So I've been trying to think of an interesting debate topic, but I haven't been able to think of a good one. So after going through the list of Debate topics, I found that we don't have a topic about Cannibalism (unless I overlooked...but we do have a ton of threads about Sex). So I figure I make one about this topic. So I'm sure as all of you know, Cannibalism is the act of a human eating another human. It was a common practice in some ancient cultures (usually Native American or African); but today we tend to think of Cannibalism as a great evil thing to do (I say this loosely). There are also legal cases that had been decided as well... In the case of R v Dudley and Stephens, 4 men had their boat sank and they were stuck in the middle of the ocean without any food. The men decided that the only way to survive is to eat someone. They drew lots and a Seventeen year old was the loser (talk about bad luck), but the 3 other men couldn't do it. After a couple of days later in which the same Seventeen year old lost conciseness (supposedly) and the 3 men finally gave in to the hunger and killed/ate the boy. A couple of days after killing him, a passing ship rescued them. The 3 men were arrest and charged with murder. 2 of the man (Dudley and Stephens) were convicted of murder and sentenced to 6 months imprisonment (both men were later pardoned by the Queen...at least according to my Law book, but then again this was an English Case Law and I was reading it from an American Case Law book). Dudley and Stephens claimed that necessity defense. This is a defense that argues that had these 2 men not killed and eaten the 17 year old boy, both they and the boy would have died from hunger. While the defense failed to get them off the charge, the defense raised an interesting issue. And as some of you might know, during the infamous Donner Party crossing of 1846; these people also resorted to cannibalism after they were trapped in a freak snowstorm and had little to no food available. In a more modern area, there was a story involving a person posting an ad on a computer (I think it was in Germany) were a guy was asking people if they would mind if he could eat them. One person said yes to the ad, the two people met up, and the guy who posted the ad ate the person. Now in todays Modern area, most "civilized" societies view cannibalism as an immoral or evil act to commit, unless a person is forced to commit cannibalism in order to save his life (at which point the public still views it as immoral or evil, but they can see why they would commit such an act) So that is a little background on the history of cannibalism. Now its time for you guys to speak you mind about this topic... What is your guys opinion on Cannibalism? Should a person in the same situation as Dudley and the Donner party be excused for killing/eating someone if they know they will die if they don't (make sure you read the Dudley and Donner stuff before you answer this question)? Is performing an act of Cannibalism an immoral/evil act to commit? |
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Well I feel as though the Dudley and Donner party should not be pardoned because they still killed someone and took a life not out of self defense although I understand but can't condom or overlook what they did I understand why they did it but I feel they should still get some jail time. Cannibalism in my opinion is sick and inhuman and in some cases defiles humanity and the dead and yes I do think cannibalism is immoral and a evil act to commit. |
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Personally, my take on cannibalism is disgusting and fowl. I would never think or do something to that extent. That's just my opinion on it, obviously other people will disagree with me, but that is ok! |
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Well..... um... okay. Given the fact that Dudley and Stephens did not wait for the other person to die before eating him, they most definitely are guilty of murder. I consider self defense a case where you defend your life against another who, at that moment, is intent on harming you or ending your life. This was not the case. You can say that the kid agreed to the whole draw straws thing, but that in no way is some kind of true consent. If he were really consenting to it, he might have ended his own life for the other 2. Now on cannibalism itself. It really is a slipper slope topic and kind of a double edge sword (2 metaphors in 1 sentence! ). There can be a situation where you don't do it and you die. If you do it for survival, others will not be able to look at you the same way. You probably won't be able to look at yourself the same way. Right now, while not in that situation, I believe that I would starve before doing that. Even more so to someone I knew (or even loved). But I'm sure Dudley and Stephens thought the same. I am sure the people of the Donner party would think the same. You never quite know what you are truly capable of when you are on the brink of death until you are put in that situation. I can't predict what I would really do, but I do believe I wouldn't do it even if that meant death. I personally do not condone it. I don't think that it is always a sign of evil. It is more of a deal on how much worth do you put on your own life? Do you believe your life worth is higher than the cost of eating another person to survive? Hope I never have to find out if I value my life that much or not. Given the fact that Dudley and Stephens did not wait for the other person to die before eating him, they most definitely are guilty of murder. I consider self defense a case where you defend your life against another who, at that moment, is intent on harming you or ending your life. This was not the case. You can say that the kid agreed to the whole draw straws thing, but that in no way is some kind of true consent. If he were really consenting to it, he might have ended his own life for the other 2. Now on cannibalism itself. It really is a slipper slope topic and kind of a double edge sword (2 metaphors in 1 sentence! ). There can be a situation where you don't do it and you die. If you do it for survival, others will not be able to look at you the same way. You probably won't be able to look at yourself the same way. Right now, while not in that situation, I believe that I would starve before doing that. Even more so to someone I knew (or even loved). But I'm sure Dudley and Stephens thought the same. I am sure the people of the Donner party would think the same. You never quite know what you are truly capable of when you are on the brink of death until you are put in that situation. I can't predict what I would really do, but I do believe I wouldn't do it even if that meant death. I personally do not condone it. I don't think that it is always a sign of evil. It is more of a deal on how much worth do you put on your own life? Do you believe your life worth is higher than the cost of eating another person to survive? Hope I never have to find out if I value my life that much or not. |
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I have to answer this in two ways. First, socially. I think, of course, each individual has the right to make their own decisions. So if someone they are with dies, and they eat them, they cannot be convicted of any crime, legally. But they will live the consequences of their actions; that might include being shunned or ostracized. Secondly, personally. I think it's wrong in all contexts, and would rather die than eat another human. Although there is no "logical" reason for this, I think it is dishonorable and immoral; it is repulsive to most human's minds for a reason. First, socially. I think, of course, each individual has the right to make their own decisions. So if someone they are with dies, and they eat them, they cannot be convicted of any crime, legally. But they will live the consequences of their actions; that might include being shunned or ostracized. Secondly, personally. I think it's wrong in all contexts, and would rather die than eat another human. Although there is no "logical" reason for this, I think it is dishonorable and immoral; it is repulsive to most human's minds for a reason. |
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One side of me is saying yes and the other side is saying no. Your are killings a person and that is wrong. Then again, we kill and eat other kinds of animals. But most of those animals were bred by us and that is the only reason they exist. I am going to say yes, Cannibalism is wrong. |
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Personally, I would excuse the Donner party because the humans that they ate were already dead. In the Dudley case, however, they actually took the boy's life before they ate him, which in my opinion is crossing the boundaries of the law. What they should have done is waited until one of them died before resorting to eating them. Something that should never be done unless it an absolute necessity, and never at the cost of murder. |
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I'd sooner die of starvation than take a bite into another human being. It's just... disgusting. In the Dudley case I'm sure if they had a couple functioning brain cells they could at least try to make a makeshift fishing net/rod and catch something. And the human body can go without food for about a week I think.... or was that water? ; Well regardless I'd lose over 100 pounds before I decided to bite into my fellow man. I'd sooner die of starvation than take a bite into another human being. It's just... disgusting. In the Dudley case I'm sure if they had a couple functioning brain cells they could at least try to make a makeshift fishing net/rod and catch something. And the human body can go without food for about a week I think.... or was that water? ; Well regardless I'd lose over 100 pounds before I decided to bite into my fellow man. |
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Zephyr: I believe it is three weeks without food, three days without water. But after the first week, I'm sure that people begin getting desperate. Not to mention cranky, can you imagine? XD Zephyr: I believe it is three weeks without food, three days without water. But after the first week, I'm sure that people begin getting desperate. Not to mention cranky, can you imagine? XD |
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personally i am against killing for any reason. i do not judge others based on my personal beliefs however, so i would have to say that so long as the person were already dead, or killed in self defense, there would be nothing wrong with eating them. why let the meat go to waste, just because its the same kind of meat youre made of? youre not eating a person. youre eating a corpse, the same as any time you eat a steak, hamburger, or anything else made of meat. it stopped being a human the moment it died. when something dies, thats it. game over. the body isnt holding some memory inside of it, its just a lifeless body and youd might as well put it to use. strip the flesh for leather, dine on the meat for a few days if their healthy, and grind the bones for fertilizer. |
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I've never really put that much thought into cannibalism, now I'm remembering why... I'll stay undecided for the moment. |
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Well it matters in the situation. If it was to survive like your first story then i'm fine with it. But if it's i'm gonna chop some people up and eat them then it is wrong and they should be punished. But if it's i'm gonna chop some people up and eat them then it is wrong and they should be punished. |
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Humans have a natural urge to survive . If you are stranded with no source of food but another human ....... you are going to either eat him or her or be eaten by him or her . Just as how you would kill a wild animal for food if you had to .... you'd kill a human as well . I am not Saying it is right because I'd probably never be in that situation because I always try to find food if I am hungry enough . But if someone tried to eat me then I would retaliate . |
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I've never put much thought into Cannibalism. But litteraly EATING a person alive is just, CRUEL in my opinion. Even thinking about it make me a little bit sick. In the case of Dudley, like Zephyr said, making a makshift rod isnt that hard (i think). Plus, wouldint they have like a survival box nearby? Rations, anything? Like in the case with the Mansion, ration, ration, RATION. I cant stress it enough, manage the food and youll be FINE. Besides, surviving 3 weeks without food couldint be that hard, unless the body was so used to having a readily availble supply of food it adapted to it. I've never put much thought into Cannibalism. But litteraly EATING a person alive is just, CRUEL in my opinion. Even thinking about it make me a little bit sick. In the case of Dudley, like Zephyr said, making a makshift rod isnt that hard (i think). Plus, wouldint they have like a survival box nearby? Rations, anything? Like in the case with the Mansion, ration, ration, RATION. I cant stress it enough, manage the food and youll be FINE. Besides, surviving 3 weeks without food couldint be that hard, unless the body was so used to having a readily availble supply of food it adapted to it. |
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FFFighterDill : Well Dudley's case they didn't have any rations or food since their ship was sunk by pirates (if I remember correctly). Also the kid wasn't alive when they ate him (although you could debate that the child was still alive as he was unconscious when they ate him). Not to mention I believe that you can't eat fish out in the middle of the ocean without some sort of decontamination process to get rid of the high salt water. FFFighterDill : Well Dudley's case they didn't have any rations or food since their ship was sunk by pirates (if I remember correctly). Also the kid wasn't alive when they ate him (although you could debate that the child was still alive as he was unconscious when they ate him). Not to mention I believe that you can't eat fish out in the middle of the ocean without some sort of decontamination process to get rid of the high salt water. |
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I dont think that fish would harm them, iv eaten fish Iv caught In the ocean.
Considering that most fisherman live off their catch while at sea that seems unlikely. Oh and as rcarter said prieviously their is a difference in eating the deceased and rendering them as such to allow the former. Considering that most fisherman live off their catch while at sea that seems unlikely. Oh and as rcarter said prieviously their is a difference in eating the deceased and rendering them as such to allow the former. |
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Well, my rules would be only eating other people if they die naturally and if there's no other food available. |
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If I would be confined in a small space with you for a prolonged time with no idea if we would ever get help and there would be no food I would probably bash your head in, drink your blood and eat you at some point. It is not that I would want to do but I don't want to pretend to be all high and mighty and to think I would not act like all people do when they are hungry, desperate and have gone a bit crazy. I think it would be in that scenario highly probable. |
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Not even an enemy. |
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