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I wont give you any when (once again) you try to run me in circles. This is rediculus. I dont have to take this. This is bull. Unless you can find me some articles that proove me wrong, please stop draging on and on and on and ON!








I wont give you any when (once again) you try to run me in circles. This is rediculus. I dont have to take this. This is bull. Unless you can find me some articles that proove me wrong, please stop draging on and on and on and ON!

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You want me to prove you wrong? You haven't proved yourself RIGHT.


This is your thread man, take the time to prove yourself right.
You want me to prove you wrong? You haven't proved yourself RIGHT.


This is your thread man, take the time to prove yourself right.

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Jin i proved my slef right on all my key points
-Media blew it out of proportion
-US Companies fear malpractice suits and do not want to make it
-Liberals are the cause for most malpractice suits/favor malpractice suits

Those were my points and there has been no counter points to speak of. If you do have a counter point, bring it to the table. Otherwise do not continue in the manner you have, and by that i mean with the whole not bringing facts in and just draging this thing out.








Jin i proved my slef right on all my key points
-Media blew it out of proportion
-US Companies fear malpractice suits and do not want to make it
-Liberals are the cause for most malpractice suits/favor malpractice suits

Those were my points and there has been no counter points to speak of. If you do have a counter point, bring it to the table. Otherwise do not continue in the manner you have, and by that i mean with the whole not bringing facts in and just draging this thing out.

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All you've done was brought opinions into this thread.

None of us have yet to see hard facts that point in favour of your argument.

All you've posted were some columns by conservatives with the same opinion as yours with no documented facts to back them up.

Liberals were not the reason for the shortage, liberals were not the reason for the scare.

Things happen, It's not a liberal conspiracy to cause s***, then blame Bush for it. He has enough problems he's created all on his own.
All you've done was brought opinions into this thread.

None of us have yet to see hard facts that point in favour of your argument.

All you've posted were some columns by conservatives with the same opinion as yours with no documented facts to back them up.

Liberals were not the reason for the shortage, liberals were not the reason for the scare.

Things happen, It's not a liberal conspiracy to cause s***, then blame Bush for it. He has enough problems he's created all on his own.

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You obviously didn't read my article. Please read them over. They are not opinion columns. They are news articles. And jin, please, acctually debate for once and find some information against what i presented.








You obviously didn't read my article. Please read them over. They are not opinion columns. They are news articles. And jin, please, acctually debate for once and find some information against what i presented.

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I try to read every bit of any articles or columns posted.

All I can say about the "evidence" and "proof" you've posted are pure opinions. If that's all you're going to base your posts upon. It's hard to combat your case because you simply don't have one.

Want me to post some columns by Michael Moore? Perhaps a little InfoWars? Those echo my opinion loud and clear and have refrences to news articles but I'm not going to post them as my sole argument.
I try to read every bit of any articles or columns posted.

All I can say about the "evidence" and "proof" you've posted are pure opinions. If that's all you're going to base your posts upon. It's hard to combat your case because you simply don't have one.

Want me to post some columns by Michael Moore? Perhaps a little InfoWars? Those echo my opinion loud and clear and have refrences to news articles but I'm not going to post them as my sole argument.

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Ok kid, proove me wrong. Since this is not the first time i have asked you to do that, i will also ask you this. STOP BEATING AROUND THE BUSH
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Ok kid, proove me wrong. Since this is not the first time i have asked you to do that, i will also ask you this. STOP BEATING AROUND THE BUSH
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I can see logic isn't going to work for some people.

You're basically crying wolf, There is no liberal conspiracy.

What do you want me to do? Point you to a site that says "No news is good news." ? Because that's about all that's going on.

EDIT: And your use of 'kid' is simply amusing, Not only am I older than you, It was used in a derogatory manner.
I can see logic isn't going to work for some people.

You're basically crying wolf, There is no liberal conspiracy.

What do you want me to do? Point you to a site that says "No news is good news." ? Because that's about all that's going on.

EDIT: And your use of 'kid' is simply amusing, Not only am I older than you, It was used in a derogatory manner.

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Jin. Are you listening to me? I am trying to get some logic out of you. So please. If you have an argument find some articles or anything against me. Post the link. Other wise dont post again. Have some maturity. Don't debate like an idiot. Now is your chance to prove me wrong. Find some articles and do so. If you can't, then please don't post another meaningless post again.








Jin. Are you listening to me? I am trying to get some logic out of you. So please. If you have an argument find some articles or anything against me. Post the link. Other wise dont post again. Have some maturity. Don't debate like an idiot. Now is your chance to prove me wrong. Find some articles and do so. If you can't, then please don't post another meaningless post again.

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Sounds like you're the one running around in circles.

Read over my posts, and stop trying to start something with the liberals where it clearly doesn't exist.

I could probably find half a dozen independent news articles which don't blame Bush in any way but show stories about the flu shortage and you'd say it was some liberal nut job trying to force the blame on Bush.

As I've said, No one blames Bush for this flu shortage.

It's not the liberals fault, There's no real argument for it or against it because it's simply not an issue.

And as I've said, As far as this debate goes I have nothing to present to debate your argument because you simply don't have one.

It'd be as if I posted about Bush eating a black baby, There'd really be no articles what so ever against it because it didn't happen.

Same theory applies here.
Sounds like you're the one running around in circles.

Read over my posts, and stop trying to start something with the liberals where it clearly doesn't exist.

I could probably find half a dozen independent news articles which don't blame Bush in any way but show stories about the flu shortage and you'd say it was some liberal nut job trying to force the blame on Bush.

As I've said, No one blames Bush for this flu shortage.

It's not the liberals fault, There's no real argument for it or against it because it's simply not an issue.

And as I've said, As far as this debate goes I have nothing to present to debate your argument because you simply don't have one.

It'd be as if I posted about Bush eating a black baby, There'd really be no articles what so ever against it because it didn't happen.

Same theory applies here.

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Jin, thank you for never having anything to prove me wrong. You can't cuz i am right. Thank you for turning this thread into spam. I can now see you do not debate, you just say your own opinion with no facts to back it up.








Jin, thank you for never having anything to prove me wrong. You can't cuz i am right. Thank you for turning this thread into spam. I can now see you do not debate, you just say your own opinion with no facts to back it up.

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Originally posted by Jin
Um, nope.

You haven't proven anything other than absolutely ignorance in the face of being proven wrong. Just like George W Bush.

Your mindset is to point the finger about ANYTHING that goes wrong in the world on people you don't like for the pure reason they don't believe the same ideals as yourself.

While that in itself doesn't bother me much. Claiming victory based on that slanted view of the world is rather asinine.


Actually Jin, this does look like an attack. I'm opening this thread back up because I didn't see it as fair for it to be closed. It did go off track when the two of you just took turns calling eachother illogical though lol. Anyways, if you don't like those sources Jin then please post speicif criteria in the forum guidelines thread.
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Um, nope.

You haven't proven anything other than absolutely ignorance in the face of being proven wrong. Just like George W Bush.

Your mindset is to point the finger about ANYTHING that goes wrong in the world on people you don't like for the pure reason they don't believe the same ideals as yourself.

While that in itself doesn't bother me much. Claiming victory based on that slanted view of the world is rather asinine.


Actually Jin, this does look like an attack. I'm opening this thread back up because I didn't see it as fair for it to be closed. It did go off track when the two of you just took turns calling eachother illogical though lol. Anyways, if you don't like those sources Jin then please post speicif criteria in the forum guidelines thread.

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Quiet Chaos, PM me before re-opening a thread I closed.

Me and David both agreed this thread needed to die.

ALSO Here are some nice links they show the exact opposite of what john is trying to say.

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen0425.html
http://www.globalissues.org/HumanRights/Media/Military.asp
http://www.infowars.com/articles/military/psy-ops_meets_pr.htm
http://www.freepressinternational.com/media.1142004.propaganda.8102730028.html

I'll post more if you want.

My point is, the media is slanted and filled with propaganda, but it isn't the liberals.

The conservative crowd in america seem to think anything that doesn't demonize things they think are bad is automatically a liberal bias and have been working over time to push out propaganda.

Meh. I refuse to watch mainstream media anymore.
Quiet Chaos, PM me before re-opening a thread I closed.

Me and David both agreed this thread needed to die.

ALSO Here are some nice links they show the exact opposite of what john is trying to say.

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen0425.html
http://www.globalissues.org/HumanRights/Media/Military.asp
http://www.infowars.com/articles/military/psy-ops_meets_pr.htm
http://www.freepressinternational.com/media.1142004.propaganda.8102730028.html

I'll post more if you want.

My point is, the media is slanted and filled with propaganda, but it isn't the liberals.

The conservative crowd in america seem to think anything that doesn't demonize things they think are bad is automatically a liberal bias and have been working over time to push out propaganda.

Meh. I refuse to watch mainstream media anymore.

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ah, I apologize on that matter of closing it. Next time I'll send a PM first, I just feel that if I'm given mod powers I shouldn't have to get permission to use them all the time which is something I could do without them. Just as long as I don't abuse them, and I don't think I was here. Anyways, I'm satisfied now so I'll go ahead and re-close this forum. Thank you Jin, and thank you John for posting sources when I asked you to.
ah, I apologize on that matter of closing it. Next time I'll send a PM first, I just feel that if I'm given mod powers I shouldn't have to get permission to use them all the time which is something I could do without them. Just as long as I don't abuse them, and I don't think I was here. Anyways, I'm satisfied now so I'll go ahead and re-close this forum. Thank you Jin, and thank you John for posting sources when I asked you to.

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