Matthew2321 : How exactly is that a political viewpoint whatsoever? And people won't all together become homosexuals, it's just really impossible. And even if we did, well, We would adapt and evolve to the change, and eventually make our own way of reproducing again. I recall watching this one episode on Animal Planet (Back when it had good shows, mind you) of Top 10 Most Extreme where it once featured this species of lizard where its male population completely died off due to the Male chromosome dying out. They still were able to reproduce, though. Sadly, I don't remember the species of lizard or the specifics behind how they managed to still reproduce, so if anyone wants more details, they'll have to find them their selves, Nya~.

MegaRevolution1 : You would be referring to the New Mexico Whiptail. They manage to reproduce through parthenogenesis, which is when an egg cell begins to divide without the trigger of fertilization. One thing about that method, however, is that after many years of doing this, these lizards are pretty much genetically identical. They are essentially perfect clones. Humans genome is too complex to be capable of doing this unless there were millions of years of factors pushing that way. I would just assume we would reproduce via sperm banks if Matthew's scenario somehow happened.

Matthew2321 : This is the hole I see in your logic. How does legalizing gay marriage remotely lead to everyone becoming homosexual? A political move won't just change people's sexuality. The only thing it would change is giving them the right to have legal marriage. If it doesn't pass, there will still be homosexuals living as close to a married couple as they can get. But legal marriage itself does not decrease the amount of homosexuals out there.

If you don't support gay marriage then let me ask you this. Let's say that you knew someone who was in a very heterosexual relationship with a person you didn't believe it was right--morally, ethically right, I mean--for them to be with. You completely disapproved of the relationship from the start. The very thought of these two people being together revolted you.

Now let's say that you ended up coming across one of the members of this couple while you're visiting the hospital, and you overhear her being told that due to some stupid technicality she doesn't have the right to visit the love of her life in what could possibly turn out to be his final moments. What would you think then? Would you care at all in that moment how you've always felt about their being a couple? Wouldn't you still have a sudden urge to find whoever made up that heartless rule and thrash them senseless?

Well, why then don't you feel the same way if the couple *isn't* straight? If your reason for disapproving of their union just so happens to be a different one? How is the situation *itself* any different? No one should be denied that right, nor any number of other rights as well. So you see, it hardly matters how you personally feel about homosexuality. This is a matter of equal rights and nothing else.

In my personal belief gay marriage is more trouble than its worth, I mean look at the facts why are we worried about who cares who loves who male or female gay or strait. I'm mean its not like being gay is a chois they are born that way so let them be. The times have changed and so should we. Also I am great.

In my country we have had gay marriage for sometime now and it did not bring down the end of the world. As for the religious part, there are some priests willing to marry gay couples dispeite the fact that the majority of the church is against it. As far as I see it, if there would be a true separation from the church from the state, it would be the problem of the church. But as long as the church here has the right to tax people and such, they should also take the laws we have into concideration.

Which means the homosexuals get married or you stop using tax payers money on your churches! Since there is always a choice in that. Nobody will presecute you IF... you manage to be on your own and tax the people instead who join you for your masses.

But this is here, not in the US. But wanted to share with you.

And yes, i`m for gay marriage but I am also for the right of religious organizations to deny marriage if they feel so.

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Brigand : I agree with your overall point, but disagree with your execution. Particularly, the part about financially punishing churches for not marrying a gay couple. To me, that is wrong. It would be religious persecution if we did that, which I don't want. I don't know if this is the same where you live, but we don't need to be married in the church for a legal marriage. Being married in the church is more of a personal preference if it is important to you. But as far as being legally married in the eyes of the state, all it takes is a marriage license that you get from a courthouse. I don't think our beliefs should be forced on the church. I would feel like a hypocrite because that is exactly what I am upset about when it is being done to gay couples. If a church doesn't want to marry a couple, that is their choice. But gay couples should be able to be legally married in the eyes of the state.

rcarter2 :

I think you have a very good point there. I never would want the state to force any religous group to act in a way only so that its teachings would be according to the state laws, whatever they might be. But here the chruch is not separeted from the state and the church is financially as one with the state. They would lose a lot of money if they would be for real seoareted from their state status.

And that is what I belive they should do. Get separeted and only seek finance from their memebers. Inside the church are also forces who want gay marriage and women as priests, but as a truly independent organization the church could not as easyly be forced to have it. Or those willing to do it otherwise could always leave and have a church of their own.

rcarter2 : from just a legal standpoint there isn't a good case there's different spending due to different needs but it evens out most of the time.
Legally I couldn't touch it.  Good point made but it still won't change my stance.

I'm not going to bring up religious issues, but I want to preface my post by saying that I am, indeed, Christian.  But to my point, I believe gay "marriage" should be legalized for a very simple reason:  It's none of my business.  I don't personally consider it "marriage", but it doesn't affect me in any way, it doesn't change the Bible or Christianity, and it's not my place to tell two people what they can or can't call themselves, nor is it the government's problem.  I believe that all men are created equal, and even if I think it's kind of gross to see two dudes holding hands or kissing (sorry), I have gay friends, I don't get mad when gay dudes pay me a compliment (it's flattering), and I think they should have the same rights and benefits as I do.  I am a conservative libertarian, and the idea that gay people are withheld certain legal privileges because of the federal government is, to me, bull****.  I say let all American citizens do what they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone, and to the people who have something to say about how gay people are going to ruin their children, they should probably stop devoting their entire lives to making their children hate gay people and it won't be such a damn problem.  I am a right-wing, conservative Christian, and I say just give it to the gay people already.  Who cares?  What difference does it make?  The government SHOULD NOT be able to stop us from "hurting" ourselves.

I believe that every free man/woman should have the right to be married...  To whomever they may choose.  I am a Christian, but do not believe that it is a matter of religion...  If it were, than why are we not upset that Satan worshipers and Atheists can get married??  I do not believe that God weighs the differences of "sin" whether it be lying, murder, stealing, masturbating, pre-marital sex, sex for recreation, or homosexual intercourse...  With that said, as good Christians we should try to abstain from ALL Earthly temptations, but sometimes it seems impossible to resist some of our most basic desires...  My point is, I know quite a few gay men and women in my personal life that serve the Lord and praise His name just as much, if not more than some of my heterosexual friends...  Who are we as human beings to decide whether or not they are honored with the privilege of true freedom in the ability to marry one another, when there are "Christian" couples being married and divorced every single day by the thousands with all of the lying, cheating, deceit, recreational sex, etc that goes with it...  If we are supposed to only have sex for procreation purposes as proposed by the Holy Bible, than even a happy, honest, and spiritual couple is "sinning" by making love to each other for pleasure...  Let God serve the judgment after our lives are through...  But for now, we are only human, and thankfully we live in the United States of America where we were granted inalienable rights by our Creator...  Technically, we should be free to make our own choices whether or not someone else's 1st amendment rights oppose the choices you make with yours... 

Before I start my post, I'd like to say two things about myself:

1. I'm not religious, though I do believe in God.
2. I'm a lesbian.

The way I see it, if God loves everyone and created us all equal, why would he make people gay (and yes, people ARE born gay--I sure as heck didn't choose it, and neither did any other gay person I've met) if it's such a horrible life-ruining sin? And even if it were a sin, there are plenty of other things that you might consider "sinful" that are already legal. 

Marriage has existed since long before Christianity was even a thing, and so I don't get how it's "ruining the sanctity of marriage." I also don't get how gay marriage isn't "real" marriage--by that logic, shouldn't the marriage of two non-Christians not count as marriage, either?

Besides, America is not an exclusively Christian nation. In fact, several of the founding fathers were not religious themselves, so to call America a "Christian nation" would be incorrect on several levels. 

I feel that all the arguments against the legalization of gay marriage are, frankly, pretty ignorant. I see no reason why homosexual couples should not be entitled to the same benefits as heterosexual couples.

I ger really annoyed when I hear the whole "my relgion" excuse never something elese so with politics there's not much of a reason for them telling me I can't get married and some relgious people don't minds gay marriage even if people of the same religion pulls put that generitc, s***ty excuse, and everyone knows how I feel about gay marriage.

I do know some people just view the entire concept as repulsive. Allowing marriage would require that they acknowledge it as a legitimate relationship.

And some people thing that ugly people shouldn't get married... but they can't pass laws to that effect.

Just like interracial marriage, I am certain that 50 years from now we are going to look back and go, "Why was this a big deal?"

I do have to say that the paradigm shift of the public on this issue over the last ten years has been simply amazing, though. We have all been witnesses to history as more and more people have realized that the arguments against it are simply bogus. I hope that we all will so be able to say that we were present when the Supreme Court finally rules that such discrimination is indeed unconstitutional and strikes down Proposition 8 and DOMA. My fiance and I personally participated in the protest marches against Prop 8's passage after the 2008 election, even though we are straight, because it was the right thing to do. To see the fire that such events ignited possibly yield such an outcome would be confirmation to me that our voices really do matter.

This has been my spiel for a long time: If marriage were an inherently Christian thing in America, which is to say, only carried out in church and/or by its holy-men, then arguments pertaining to the Christian bible would be relevant. Since you can get a legally recognized marriage in a courtroom by a judge, or even on a ship by its captain of all things--since people on any religion, or of no religion, can get married, why should that have anything to do with it?

Hi, I don't like not causing problems, so I don't read the rules before posting in a thread.