uh huh.... I never said there was a direct connection made by the video itself. I'm only using it as further evidence of the extreme power that the people on Wall Street have.

I wish I had better internet down here to watch that. And Elara I think thats pretty closed minded to say you wont even watch it. In my opinion its worth watching all movies of this type. They aren't all correct FOR SURE. Take them as a grain of salt. At least it will give you a little perspective even if you don't agree with it. If you want proof of things happening look in headlines. Further and further restriction on firearms. People without firearms are helpless against the government. Control the weapons and control the currency then you control the country or world.

And a little tid bit i wanted to throw out there about Spanky Obama, he wanted to make it so veterans would have to have there own medical insurance to pay for injuries sustained in the line of duty. Thank god it got shot down in congress. (not super related i know )

I would not consider it that closed minded, as I did find out what they were saying. Literally though, I am so sick of that guy and his little movies because my ex believes them like they are the "gospel truth". I'm sorry, but the president is not Satan by default just because he isn't Ron Paul and the Illuminati are not taking over.

I have watched a LOT of these movies. I actually enjoyed a bit of zeitgiest because a few things they said have viable arguments (ideas of Christian myth and Pagan myth), but other things... like the Federal Reserve thing... are interesting but have no real solid facts to support them. Like I said, if they can show me reliable sources and facts I will be more willing to listen but until then I am done with this kind of crap.

On the veteran note, I will admit that I did not like that and I am glad it didn't go through. See, I can disagree with the person I voted for on an issue and not call him names! Apparently I am special.

On a random side note, is it just me or has it become the new trend to compare whoever got elected president with Hitler? They did it to Bush for 8 years and now they are doing it to Obama. Just watch, the world's most perfect candidate could win the election and next thing you know there would be people making the comparison. It's really stupid and shows just how badly Americans (all parties) are sore losers.

Well don't blame me when history repeats itself, I voted for Ron Paul.

I think that its easy to relate quite a few of obamas policies to Hitler more so than bush. I mean the whole bush argument was from what i saw an imperialism conspiracy. Obama on the other hand has quite a few socialistic agendas and that scares me. Foremost is the infringement on constitutional rights to bare arms. Maybe I am pessimistic, but within my life time I think either one of three things are going to happen.
A. Government becomes an all powerful monster and almost all industry is owned and operated and regulated by the buracracy.
B. Option A plays out and government is overthrown/tremendous reform.
C. I die in the second Korean war. Just putting that out there :p

Actually the links from Bush to Hitler were that in a few speeches he said, almost verbatim, the same things as Hitler had.

I mean, seriously, a lot of the s*** happening right now would have happened no matter who had won the election. The economy would still be sucking, Congress would still be debating over taking over things or not (which all have said they don't want to do but it might become necessary just to keep the economy from collapsing), and North Korea will still be run by an insane a**h*** that wants to nuke us. Obama did not cause any of those problems, he's just the one stuck trying to solve them without destroying the country and the people that don't like him or don't like our government are the one's saying all of this s***. It doesn't matter who the president is, if Ron Paul had miraculously won the election it would be him that was compared to Hitler and accused of all of this crap. Don't you people get it?

And did you vote in the final election? The choice then was McCain or Obama, unless you did a write in. I voted for Nader in the primary, but he didn't get in so I voted Obama. I don't think my ex even voted in the primaries at all because he didn't want to register as a Republican. He didn't vote at all, yet he spouts this conspiracy theorist bulls*** and got all pissy when Obama came to our area and all this s***. I can't take him seriously, just like I can't take anyone else that didn't bother to vote seriously... which is most of these people. They spout out this so-called truth so they can supposedly "wake up the people" but they won't actually do anything to try and enact change because "there is no point".

Seriously, the world is not going to end because someone won and election! I want to see a third party candidate win, just to see what they say. It might at least get rid of the whole theory that there is only one party and they pretend to be two to distract us... yeah, that's right, they believe it is all an act. *sigh*

so, I guess now the government is deciding how much you can get paid....

"Now, in a little-noticed move, the House Financial Services Committee, led by chairman Barney Frank, has approved a measure that would, in some key ways, go beyond the most draconian features of the original AIG bill. The new legislation, the “Pay for Performance Act of 2009,” would impose government controls on the pay of all employees — not just top executives — of companies that have received a capital investment from the U.S. government. It would, like the tax measure, be retroactive, changing the terms of compensation agreements already in place. And it would give Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner extraordinary power to determine the pay of thousands of employees of American companies.

The purpose of the legislation is to “prohibit unreasonable and excessive compensation and compensation not based on performance standards,” according to the bill’s language. That includes regular pay, bonuses — everything — paid to employees of companies in whom the government has a capital stake, including those that have received funds through the Troubled Assets Relief Program, or TARP, as well as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The measure is not limited just to those firms that received the largest sums of money, or just to the top 25 or 50 executives of those companies. It applies to all employees of all companies involved, for as long as the government is invested. And it would not only apply going forward, but also retroactively to existing contracts and pay arrangements of institutions that have already received funds.

In addition, the bill gives Geithner the authority to decide what pay is “unreasonable” or “excessive.” And it directs the Treasury Department to come up with a method to evaluate “the performance of the individual executive or employee to whom the payment relates.” "


Doesn't this scare the s*** out of anyone else? Is THIS the change you voted for? Government controlled pay scales? Give me a break.

Sources?

And again. It's the Congress doing this, not Obama. Honestly, you can blame the bonuses for this, if AIG hadn't given the bonuses this would not have happened. However I can see what their aim is... if they are giving them the money to keep them afloat they don't want people that are undeserving of the funds to be getting all of the money. This could work to the benefit of people at the lower rungs of these companies... you don't know how it will turn out. No one will, so don't hit the panic button every time.

And again, you are neglecting to state in your comments that it is only affecting the companies that the government has bailed out, not all companies nationwide. The way you word your comments make it seem that it does affect them all, which is misleading. Shame on you, I know you can debate better than that.

EDIT: I found your source, the DC examiner, yes? Firstly, you should link to the article. Secondly, if you are going to cut and paste parts of the article then do the whole thing and not just parts. Let the quotes from the defense stand as well.

Whole article

Clearly the paper itself has a Republican, or at least a conservative bias. However, it does lend credit to its journalistic respectability in that they did talk to supporters. I cannot really give a full judgement one way or another until I have read what the bill itself says.

I know I left out some details but I was in a hurry to get that posted. I found it only a few minutes before I was about to leave.


The thing that scares me is that the government (I'm not saying Obama is "behind it") is giving itself the power to decide how much money the people in these companies can make. Regardless of your previous contract with the company, if that company got money from the government, they can renegotiate your contract to fit what they think you deserve to be compensated.

"This could work to the benefit of people at the lower rungs of these companies..." Because we want the government setting wages for people? I'm sorry, I would rather have the market telling me what I should earn and not the government. Even if it means that early in my career I'll earn a little more it just means that everything will be priced higher. More cost on the back end = higher price for consumers.

I just don't think it is a good precedent to set. The government needs to get itself out of business instead of getting its dirty hands in it.

I agree that it can lead down a dark path. However it isn't like they volunteered, these companies came begging for a bailout when they f***ed up. I do think that they should have some changes in order to receive that money, at least to ensure that once they are back on their feet they won't f*** up again.

And from what I read it is only so long as they are receiving government assistance that they could be affected. Like I said, I need to find more information. However, I highly doubt that it will actually get through all the way.

I doubt it will either. I just don't trust the government to do what's in the best interest of the people. It's more like they do what is in their best interest and then make it sound like the average person will benefit.

And yeah, these companies did come to the government asking for bailout money and I agree there should be some restriction on how the money is used but the extent to which this bill wanted to take control is scary. No restriction on who in the company is affected and the power is retroactive as well.

I guess posting about this article in here didn't make complete sense. It isn't quite about Obama... more about government in general. I still don't trust the majority of them though.

It is usually best not to trust any politician. But yeah, I think it would have made a better stand-alone discussion instead of posting it in here.

The reason people dismiss the idea of conspiracy theory is because is most and/or all cases they turn out to have a laughable amount of evidence, by evidence I mean "opinions" based on the fear of change... I happen to dismiss the idea because conspiracy theories towards the president happen every year. I wouldn't really care whether or not how this "debate" turns out but it will probably end with someone finding something factual that disproves the theory... and then the person who proposed the theory in the first place either "switching sides" or just being stubborn and refusing to believe something that actually has evidence.

AHAHAHA LMAO...o snap that was funny. Alright well me being on the left I found this hilarious, then I showed a friend of mine who was on the right and she found it as funny as I did. My friend and I are two very very different people one I am agnostic and she is hardcore christian, and two we have very different life styles, I live in WA she lives in TX, yet we find the same video funny, not surprising.
In all honesty the video was made by Alex Jones a man who spent 7 years trying to prove the 9/11 attacks were Bush's fault. Even if you don't like Obama, I'm pretty sure you don't like this guy. Then in his film we have a rapper, a wrestler, a country and a western singer, a LaRouche cult member who about 3/4 of the 9/11 truthers despise, and the former host of fear factor....credibility anywhere? Political backgrounds anywhere?
I for one am a fan of a unified world government no war yippee! But, I honestly doubt America alone has anywhere near enough power to do it alone. On top of that we are trying to turn the world into Nazi Germany and kill off 80% of the low-middle class population? How the F*** do you expect to pull that off? what army you got 80% of the population against you, and I'm pretty sure even half the high class people would go against killing off any amount of people so that leaves 90% vs. 10% hmm which way do you think this will go?
I believe there is a right and a wrong way to think of things and that video is definitely one loopy way of thinking about this. One the video has no credibility, none at all. Two you really think we are gonna sit back and be enslaved? Three a universal economy is a good thing. Will it happen? Probably not in our life time.
Check the facts, learn the current situation on all sides, and if concerned voice your opinion to your legislature and president or hell run for office.

"WORLD TRADE *Wink Wink* Center"

Now if you decode that building you will see in itself that the words WORLD TRADE are a conspiracy of it's own.

War. What is it good for? Honestly, just because they killed 2000+ of our guys we should go over there and kill the same amount and more? What good does that do? Absolutly nothing except for the fact that war revolves around money and global trading.

Hey I got an idea "Says Bush". Let's hire Iraq nutcases and have them fly a plane into the WORLD TRADE CENTER so we can dominate Iraq and get their oil since they don't want to be apart of global trading. And so it begins... the war on *cough* global trading *cough*, not terror.

All the pieces fit in perfectly but noooo we want to sit back and laugh at what real americans have to say. Let's not trust anyone because they are rapper, wrestler, or store clerk. Let's trust in god like our money says, don't listen to opposing opinions and continue to lick the utters of corporations for life while we get fed the short end of the stick.

Here's something to ponder about... why do get a chance to elect a new president every four years? To renew our trust in God (Government). While history repeats and we all end up getting backstabbed by our leaders maybe then people will begin to wake up and realize that the system is all a lie and would fail if we didn't continue to renew our trust. So we got a black mans trust the next four years but as time continues, he is no different then the white man who ran before him. You saw how bad it got after 8 years, it's a total bait and switch system. Want proof? Democrate and Republicans... that shall sum up conspiracy.

I believe at the very least that there is a cover up involved in the 9/11 attacks, to what degree I do not know, but something is not right about that official report. That is all that I am going to say on the matter.

Uh... Shirayu, about that whole rant.... What?

First, my opinions represent my thoughts, and only my thoughts. Please don't ban me.

The communists/socialists have been setting up to control the country since way, way, WAY back. But where does Obama sit on it? He's obviously backing the communistic policies, but to what end? Considering all the things he has done (i.e. going after the CIA) and certain things that have been covered up (i.e. any information regarding his father) suggests to me that he is a sleeper cell terrorist that is just using the communists to bring the US into ruin/chaos, thus eliminating their biggest obstacle. I'm sure some of the people in congress are in on it too (How many? I'm not sure), though many of them may just be plain old communists. There's no way they could all be that blind, stupid, or naive.

Yes, I said it



The system isn't going to magically get fixed just because we elected a new president (even if he had all the knowhow and the best interest of the country in mind) because it still has to through the rest of the government. Also, wasn't the UN supposed to be the global governing body? It will never function until we can all genuinely be under one banner, which has zero chance of working with so many conflicting laws and governing systems between regions. Also, what turned me off of Bush wasn't the 9/11 conspiracy (which seems to me just hating on Bush after a controversial win over Al Gore, thank god), going to war with the terrorists (really, the only sensible call), or the Patriot Act (privacy vs national security), it was the stimulus, at which point I realized the Republicans had been corrupted as well.