Nice comment david

What you people are failing to realize is that homosexuality is morally wrong. And against science... thats a double whammy right there.

how did sience get dragged into a discussion about homosexuality? What does science have to do with that at all?

Besides, who cares if it is scientifically 'wrong.' And when it comes to morals.. it depends on the person. And it's not a matter of right or wrong, if you really think about it. It happens. Whether you want it to or not. Get over it, because homosexuality isn't going to change any time soon. =|

And about that whole 'different morals for different people'. Well lets say i think it is morally right to kill. Can i kill?

"of course not John.... everyone agrees that that is wrong.... that's just silly"

or something like that will be the response...

oh oh, I have a good one...

I personally feel that it is okay to have sex with underage people.... my sexuality is being infringed upon.... I want my rights!

WOW theres alot of crap flying around in this thread. Homosexuality has been around since Adam and Eve sinned. Its a humans natural inclinations to sin. Like we are naturally greedy, self abased, and EVIL. Homosexuality has been observed in most of the animal species for centuries BULLs*** I am a farmboy and I've looked at alot of animals. I've seen alot of nature shows to. Are you telling me that the "Evil Right Wing" Discovery and Nature shows shield me from the truth?

Marriage came from the bible. Its a biblical concept. Gay people should just say thier together because marriage by definition is between a man and a women. SO STep of OFF MArriage you gay hosers and go make up your own word that means between a man and a man.

Lets say that I wanted to kill another person. This has been observed in animals for centuries. I guess its also natural for humans to want to murder to. And according to Belial "you" make up your own morals right? Well you would still say that murder is wrong because it affects other people. Well GAY MARRIAGE AFFECTS CHILDREN in a very very bad way. -

Originally posted by Zylo

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WOW theres alot of crap flying around in this thread. Homosexuality has been around since Adam and Eve sinned. Its a humans natural inclinations to sin. Like we are naturally greedy, self abased, and EVIL. Homosexuality has been observed in most of the animal species for centuries BULLs*** I am a farmboy and I've looked at alot of animals. I've seen alot of nature shows to. Are you telling me that the "Evil Right Wing" Discovery and Nature shows shield me from the truth?

Marriage came from the bible. Its a biblical concept. Gay people should just say thier together because marriage by definition is between a man and a women. SO STep of OFF MArriage you gay hosers and go make up your own word that means between a man and a man.

Lets say that I wanted to kill another person. This has been observed in animals for centuries. I guess its also natural for humans to want to murder to. And according to Belial "you" make up your own morals right? Well you would still say that murder is wrong because it affects other people. Well GAY MARRIAGE AFFECTS CHILDREN in a very very bad way. -

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Murder affects other people yes. And in this society that is wrong. However there have been societies where advancement is done through survival of the fittest in a way. You kill those of higher rank and station to advance. It was accepted as the way things were. Moral standards are created by the society that you live in. If your society and culture says killing people is wron gyou'll think it's wrong cause that's what you heard all your life growing up.

Zylo, gay marriage does not affect children at all. Typically children don't understand it and don't care. The ONLY reason that it would have any affect on children beyond the child knowing there's another couple like mommy and daddy cept there's two daddy's or two mommy's is because closed minded bigots drill into their heads from a young age that it is nasty or wrong.

Which is why a bunch of thirteen year old kids killed an 18 year old gay boy some time back by tieing him to a fence and then started throwing rocks and bottles at his head. They didn't kill him just cause he was gay, they killed him because their parents and their friends parents hammered into their heads that being gay was evil and disgusting and that they should hate gay people.

It is not gays or gay marriages or any of that that affects kids. It is the stupid hatred other people have towards gays and lesbians that affects kids so do not even start harping on gay marriage. It's a stupid argument that really has no place whatsoever.

And one other thing Zylo. Anout that first paragraph in your post. Evil does not really exist.

evil does not really exist.... wow... how much more opinionated could that be

Evil does exist I can't even see why your saying that.

""""And in this society that is wrong. However there have been societies where advancement is done through survival of the fittest in a way. You kill those of higher rank and station to advance. It was accepted as the way things were. Moral standards are created by the society that you live in. If your society and culture says killing people is wron gyou'll think it's wrong cause that's what you heard all your life growing up.""""

Moral standards are created by you personal beliefs and your religion. Your personal beliefs are shaped by whats around you. Are you saying you think murder is alright? Our society got our morals from the bible ie. the quakers and pilgrims.


And WHATS THIS, instead of playing the race card your playin the "Gay card" Yes I know gay people have it soo bad. On the whole genetic issues people are not born gay. There is no gene. The gay person's evirement and surroundings are what made him gay.

Gay rights activists advocates that this is an issue of equal rights. But marriage is not an individual right. Otherwise, why limit marriage to unions of two people instead of three or four or five? Why limit it to adult humans, if some want to be united with others of various ages, sexes and species?

Marriage is a social contract because the issues involved go beyond the particular individuals. Unions of a man and a woman produce the future generations on whom the fate of the whole society depends. You would think that society has something to say about that.

Even at the individual level, men and women have different circumstances, if only that women have babies and men do not. These and other asymmetries in the positions of women and men justify long-term legal arrangements to enable society to keep this asymmetrical relationship viable... for society's sake.

Neither of these arguements/considerations applies to unions where the people are of the same sex.

One final thought, The union between people of the same sex is evil.

Zylo. You're completely taking everything i said out of context just because you disagree with me without giving it any thought whatsoever. So I don't care anymore.

Geeogree... you've got a lot of gall calling me opinionated. There is no such thing as good or evil in this world. It was not created by a god or a goddess nor can it be explained through science.

The terms good and evil are entirely a human invention to describe things or actions that they find acceptable or unnaceptable.

In the early 1900's it was legal for a man to beat his wife, for any reason or just because he wanted to, as long as he used a stick no wider than his thumb. Some today would call that evil, but back then it was understood and acceptable by th elaws of this society you claim was built on morals gathered from the bible.

Good and Evil do not actually exist.

see.... you're differentiating between socially acceptable and good and evil...

there is a difference...

social acceptance is the man made good and evil.... it changes based on societies and time periods...

good and evil are universal and don't change... they are eternal principles that have existed as long as, and probably co-eternally, with God, or Goddess, or both....

Your right Pockets I do have preconcieved notions. But I id take the things you said to heart and thought about them. I am a very open minded person. I had to think about what you said for a long time before I formulated the correct response to your nonsense. hmm

"""""Zylo. You're completely taking everything i said out of context just because you disagree with me without giving it any thought whatsoever. So I don't care anymore.""""

Hmmmmmm tell me where I took what you said out of context.

"""""""In the early 1900's it was legal for a man to beat his wife, for any reason or just because he wanted to, as long as he used a stick no wider than his thumb. Some today would call that evil, but back then it was understood and acceptable by th elaws of this society you claim was built on morals gathered from the bible.""""""

Well It would probably be accepted as long as it was behind closed doors. Some city ordinances still have laws about not letting native americans in the city. WHat the heck is that??? Where does it say in the bible its ok to beat you wife?

"Evil" is a word that man created. We use symbols to stand for somthing. THese symbols are called "characters" And we use "evil" to represent "chaotic, no good, and malevolent. Here is what the dictionary uses


"""""""""Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.

n.
The quality of being morally bad or wrong; wickedness.
That which causes harm, misfortune, or destruction: a leader's power to do both good and evil.
An evil force, power, or personification.
Something that is a cause or source of suffering, injury, or destruction: the social evils of poverty and injustice"""""""

In the words of my Physics teacher, the word "evil" is a term that you have to use circular reasoning to describe. ie love hate peace war. And then thier are hard terms. ie mile, kilometer, pound. That have actual definitions that can be explained.

Lets go over the definitions and tell me where you disagree

1. The quality of being morally bad or wrong

2. That which causes harm, misfortune, or destruction

3. Something that is a cause or source of suffering

It looks to me like anyone would have a hard time disputing any of those terms. Mabey our definitoins of evil differ...

alright the entire discussion of does good and evil exist is a matter of perception and can't really be resolved and it also has absolutely nothing to do wth the purpose of the thread.

The question put forth was is homosexuality right or wrong. Let's stick with that and not bring good and evil into it.

Yes this is true. But we are using our perceptions to further our debates and put forth points. We are saying its evil while you are saying evil doesn't exist.... I guess I prefer arguing with people that have the same kind of sensiblities I have. hmmmmmmmmm

I think Homosexuality is a perversion and a sin. Just like the same way I think cheating on your wife is bad and evil. Or somone who lies all the time. Just because somone is a liar doesn't mean you have to persecute them. Just try to help them see what is right and what is wrong and help as best you can with thier problems. So I wouldn't persecute someone because they're homosexual. However I would differentiate how I would treat a normal person VS. a Gay person. If a person was (openly) gay they could bring dissention and problems to a workplace, just as a person who lies habitually. Now lets say if a guy cheats on his wife. If he doesn't bring it to work then I would have no problem even if I think its wrong I would still hire him. So if you are gay I would not suggest flaunting it in the same way I wouldn't suggest flaunting you have a mental disease or somthing like that.

So basically you're saying that you only like to argue with someone that thinks the same way you do? Please explain how you could argue then... it would just be "I think this", and then they would say "So do I"... wow, way to expand your mind to other views. Sorry, I just had to call you on that.

Its definatly wrong... I hate it, ill kill it all .
IceWave, stop lookn at your phone u crazy maggot you!!!.

I hate it, but i dont have homophobia... i sure hope thats the word.
I dont like them, but im not scared of them.. if yous kow wat i mean

preach it!

I think you miscontrued what I said. I like to argue with people that think differently its just you have to have the same framwork. Like if I make a point from the bible and they have never read/believe the bible then the point is moot. If I quote the US constitution and they are from Sweden then the political issue is moot. IN other words you have to have the same framwork to make points and debate issues. IF you don't things can degenerate into namecalling and getting MAD!!!! My last example is I couldn't talk to an African becaue I wouldn't speak thier same language. That was all I was saying.

OH MY F***ING GOD PPL...LETS NOT GET ME STARTED ON IT...This is the worse subject for me...I ABSOLUTELY HATE when guys say.."oh yea...lesbians are cool, but gay guys...ew wrong" that so hypicritical and stupid. Let people be who they f***ing want to be...damn! I'm not gay or anything, but...I'm not against two people loving eachother...and don't give me that whole, "Oh god says this and that" Bull****! Just let people be who they want to be and leave them alone. DAMN!

*bows to ff_freak*

And my faith in the youth of humanity is restored.