tRIUNE :

Personally, I think that religion and politics shouldn't mix. But the fact of the matter is that for many people they do. And because of that I didn't think that what I was posting about was off topic at all, and I only wanted to see what he had to say in response. Sorry if I did something that you think is wrong, but I see no harm in what I did and I certainly intended no harm. I'll still comply and drop it because you want me to.

soxfan849 : I'm pointing out that we already have a thread debating this subject in this forum here:
https://www.vizzed.com/boards/thread.php?id=29257

So this one stayed open because his original post wasn't meant to debate it, he was only asking how we felt about it.

I don't think religion and politics mix either but if other people feel that they do is fine.

Gay marriage is 100% unacceptable.  The Bible says one husband for a wife and one wife for a husband and that's how it should be.  God create Eve for Adam not Adam for Steve.  It amazes me how far our fundamentals have left us.

To expand on what I said earlier, I don't believe gay marriage is even healthy for society. I'm sorry if that offends people. I think that the basis for legalizing it isn't logical. The only reason I really hear for legalizing is that it's fair. I believe that the institution of marriage is between a man and a woman. I think that way is best for the family.

Hoochman :

In all honesty, I've never heard a logical argument for why it should be illegal in the first place. There are plenty of reasons why it should be legal. For instance, marriage is a fundamental right, it's between two consenting adults, it doesn't cause any harm to society, etc. I will admit that the only reason I think it should be legal is that it's fair otherwise. But I haven't heard a good reason to take away the right for gays to marry. My feeling on the matter is that if their rights can be restricted like this, without any real reason (the only reason I've heard is that it goes against god's word, or it isn't "natural") then what's keeping some of my rights safe?

  I do not see the problem in gay marriage; first off, it isn't affecting or hurting anybody except for maybe the two people involved in the marriage, and I feel that if two people who know that they want to be together regardless of gender decide to be together, then you nor I have the right to judge them in their personal choices.  Government has gotten far too involved in religious affairs like the banning of a homosexual UNION; a place where the government should never have ventured into, especially in the "democracy" that most of North America claims to have.

mr.pace :
Becoming tolerant isnt losing fundementals. And look up the definition of fundamentalism, you will see the people that are fundamentalists are the religious conservatives enforcing there view on an entire nation. Fundamentalism is wrong

Well, since the President recently announced that he is for gay marriage, that has been on the news a lot. I have to say that Fox news has used this particular argument over and over, and it sickens me. The argument they use is "If we let 2 men or 2 women marry each other, then we will have to let people marry their dogs, cats, turtles, etc...." How dehumanizing is that argument? We are basically putting two consenting loving human beings on the level of dogs. That is calling them dogs. Great way to show that you think all men are created equal Fox. I am very glad that I have not read this argument on this thread. 

soxfan849 : the fact of the matter is that there really isn't a solid POLITICAL reason why it is illegal. Almost any politician that is against it is against it for conservative religious feelings on the matter. I'm a religious man myself, but it does upset me that our government has let it's own religious views literally be forced on everyone. It is reasons like this that religious people are often disliked and have a reputation of being intolerant. There really is a difference between upholding your religious beliefs and just forcing it on everyone else. On a political standpoint, it should be legal. Nobody said that legalizing it would mean that it is forcing the churches to recognize gay marriage. The churches would still have every right to refuse to marry a gay couple, so this really isn't a 'war on the church' that certain news stations claim it is. Let the churches keep doing what they are doing. Just let the marriage be recognized by the state.

I agree that there is nothing wrong about it from a political standpoint; I believe that if satan ran for office, people would elect him. That being said, why is this in the Christian Conservatives forum and not in the Debate/ Logic forum?

soxfan849 : Homosexual marriage would do more to hurt us culturally and morally than benefit us culturally and morally.  For one thing, if we allowed gay marriage and than compared it along side to heterosexual marriage, you find the divorce rate among gays a lot higher. Promiscuity is the factor here. Not only that, but the likeliness of contracting diseases goes up in gay relationships. There is also a higher rate of violence. There is just a lot less stability in a gay relationships. I think for the sake of morals, this should not be endorsed. Like I said, I have nothing against gays. But I think this is detrimental to society.

Hoochman :

Do you have any sources to back those claims?

Sure, Carm.org, wpaa.org are some.

I am sorry, I don't want offend anybody but, I am against gay marriage because, GOD created man and woman not man and man. Besides it is a abomination to GOD and it says so in the Bible. I don't really care people do what they want its there soul. Just accept Jesus as your lord and savior, repent and accept the fact that he died for all of are sins.

soxfan849 : he replied.
funny, i hear gays havd a LOWER divorce rate.
additionaly marriage wont affect disease spread, they still have sew without mariage...
As for the violence claim, iv never heard that, ever. I think this is fabrication.
And those sites are dictated by religion, its biased.

I'm moving this to Debate forum - this has nothing to do with Christianity.

thenumberone : "And those sites are dictated by religion, its biased." I
think the exact same thing about pro gay and secular websites you
probably believe in.

If you're gonna discredit an organization,
bring actual facts to the table, and not just because some secular site
said differently. A lot of this stuff is said by even people who are
former gays. These facts are not in anyway surprising because some have admitted to them.

thenumberone : The idea that we have to submit to something just because it has more phds behind it is ridiculous. In case you weren't reading my last comment, I said bring overwhelming proof that my sites are wrong. Not just they're christian. I think I'll stick with my sites. They get this stuff from studies and former homosexuals.Try again.

I'm really against gay marriages to be honest. I don't like the idea of two guys getting married, it sounds kind of ridiculous.