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You're leaving things out again... Eve wasn't formed until after Adam named all the animals. The remains of Eden will never be found; due to the floot that wiped out the earth as it was known in the early times. Genesis 6 starts off by telling of the wickedness of Man, then onto Noah who finds favor in God's eyes. I took the liberty to post the whole of chapter 6 from Genesis.
1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. 3 And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.†4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. 5 Then the LORD[c] saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the LORD said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.†8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth. The Ark Prepared 1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. 3 And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.†4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. 5 Then the LORD[c] saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the LORD said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.†8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth. 13 And God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14 Make yourself an ark of gopherwood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and outside with pitch. 15 And this is how you shall make it: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 You shall make a window for the ark, and you shall finish it to a cubit from above; and set the door of the ark in its side. You shall make it with lower, second, and third decks. 17 And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die. 18 But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall go into the ark—you, your sons, your wife, and your sons’ wives with you. 19 And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive. 21 And you shall take for yourself of all food that is eaten, and you shall gather it to yourself; and it shall be food for you and for them.†22 Thus Noah did; according to all that God commanded him, so he did. 13 And God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14 Make yourself an ark of gopherwood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and outside with pitch. 15 And this is how you shall make it: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 You shall make a window for the ark, and you shall finish it to a cubit from above; and set the door of the ark in its side. You shall make it with lower, second, and third decks. 17 And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die. 18 But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall go into the ark—you, your sons, your wife, and your sons’ wives with you. 19 And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive. 21 And you shall take for yourself of all food that is eaten, and you shall gather it to yourself; and it shall be food for you and for them.†22 Thus Noah did; according to all that God commanded him, so he did. 1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. 3 And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.†4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. 5 Then the LORD[c] saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the LORD said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.†8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth. The Ark Prepared 1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. 3 And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.†4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. 5 Then the LORD[c] saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the LORD said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.†8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth. 13 And God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14 Make yourself an ark of gopherwood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and outside with pitch. 15 And this is how you shall make it: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 You shall make a window for the ark, and you shall finish it to a cubit from above; and set the door of the ark in its side. You shall make it with lower, second, and third decks. 17 And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die. 18 But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall go into the ark—you, your sons, your wife, and your sons’ wives with you. 19 And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive. 21 And you shall take for yourself of all food that is eaten, and you shall gather it to yourself; and it shall be food for you and for them.†22 Thus Noah did; according to all that God commanded him, so he did. 13 And God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14 Make yourself an ark of gopherwood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and outside with pitch. 15 And this is how you shall make it: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 You shall make a window for the ark, and you shall finish it to a cubit from above; and set the door of the ark in its side. You shall make it with lower, second, and third decks. 17 And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die. 18 But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall go into the ark—you, your sons, your wife, and your sons’ wives with you. 19 And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive. 21 And you shall take for yourself of all food that is eaten, and you shall gather it to yourself; and it shall be food for you and for them.†22 Thus Noah did; according to all that God commanded him, so he did. |
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05-28-06 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by Bookworm Hey, I have a book that was written before yours. In fact, it's widely reputed as the oldest written work, about the Antidiluvian times (aka: Pre the Great Flood)... Let me post a part of it. Keep in mind it was written originally in Old Babylonian, but parts of this translation also come from the Akkadian revision. I'm sure you know all about these ancient languages, since so much of your faith is based on them. Originally posted by Gilgamesh Originally posted by Bookworm Hey, I have a book that was written before yours. In fact, it's widely reputed as the oldest written work, about the Antidiluvian times (aka: Pre the Great Flood)... Let me post a part of it. Keep in mind it was written originally in Old Babylonian, but parts of this translation also come from the Akkadian revision. I'm sure you know all about these ancient languages, since so much of your faith is based on them. Originally posted by Gilgamesh |
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05-29-06 04:26 PM
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What's the name of the story, I doubt it was witten in Old Babylonian. |
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05-30-06 02:31 AM
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Epic of Gilgamesh. Oldest written recording, and strangely enough, it also recounts information about the Flood which ended the Ice Ages, about 12,000 years ago. Probably because that's when Mesopotamia was created, when the Ark landed in Iraq. |
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05-30-06 08:42 PM
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07-10-06 01:22 AM
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I don't like porn for the simple fact that it's like looking at someone naked without their permission...it seems disrespectful. AND it's disrespectful for those people who are with somone to look at it too...because if you're with someone the only body you should wanna see is your partners... |
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They sorta are giving you permission to look at it, when they get it taken.
Good point wif the partner thing though. Good point wif the partner thing though. |
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Well I know I wouldn't want my partner admiring the body of another guy...it's like...cheating...only with eyes, lol |
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freak: I agree with you on that one. It does seem like cheating to me. If my wife was looking at porn I would probably be a little worried. She would probably be mad if I was looking at porn all the time instead of at her .
I'm personally tired of people thinking that pornography is somehow harmless to watch. I'm personally tired of people thinking that pornography is somehow harmless to watch. |
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Agreed. My ex-girlfriend at the time broke her promise to me, just to get with a guy who "Cheated" on her in that way. And he was my ex-roommate! |
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I have nothing against it & I never will... Its good. Lowell you made some damn good points, more then that other guy did, don't believe everything you read.. |
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I totally agree with cid i would argue about this but i dont like to get in the middle of bulls*** things like this |
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God doesn't hate porn. He created women as beautiful, graceful creatures that we should admire. He also created every last one of you naked, and gave you the ability to reproduce. Porn is the embodiment of all of these gifts given to you by your God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything against pornography in any way. You would have to really grasp for straws to find such a passage (a technique commonly employed by religious people in order to try to force their viewpoints onto others). |
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I could probably show you a dozen passages in scripture that could be used to show how pornography is wrong. It's not really that difficult.
The progression from old testament with don't commit adultery to new testament where if you lust after a woman in your heart you've already committed a sin pretty much puts pornography into the sin category in my books. I'm not disagreeing with most of what you said. We should admire women. We are also born naked and can reproduce. But porn does not embody any of that. Porn does not lift anyone up or make us better. It degrades both men and women. Of course the Bible doesn't say "Thou shalt not view pornography." It didn't exist back then. There were no pictures of naked people. The technology wasn't there. That doesn't mean that the principle that the bible does mention about lusting after women in your heart and committing adultery in your heart is somehow no longer valid because it doesn't specifically say pornography. I really can't stand people that need to be told absolutely everything they can or can't do and if something isn't spelled out explicitly then they justify themselves in doing it. The progression from old testament with don't commit adultery to new testament where if you lust after a woman in your heart you've already committed a sin pretty much puts pornography into the sin category in my books. I'm not disagreeing with most of what you said. We should admire women. We are also born naked and can reproduce. But porn does not embody any of that. Porn does not lift anyone up or make us better. It degrades both men and women. Of course the Bible doesn't say "Thou shalt not view pornography." It didn't exist back then. There were no pictures of naked people. The technology wasn't there. That doesn't mean that the principle that the bible does mention about lusting after women in your heart and committing adultery in your heart is somehow no longer valid because it doesn't specifically say pornography. I really can't stand people that need to be told absolutely everything they can or can't do and if something isn't spelled out explicitly then they justify themselves in doing it. |
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Most of what you've said here is opinion, and you're entitled to your opinions. However, I'd like to point out a glaring error in your post. You have stated that pornography "didn't exist back then". Sure it did. Pornography predates Christianity by about 5000 years. Furthermore, pornography only degrades a person if that person feels degraded, otherwise that is merely opinion and/or speculation.
Me personally though, I don't need someone else's set of rules to determine right from wrong. I would like to see these scriptures though that show that pornography is wrong, especially considering you have also stated that it didn't exist back then. You've got me curious, especially since I've read the Bible from cover to cover many times. Me personally though, I don't need someone else's set of rules to determine right from wrong. I would like to see these scriptures though that show that pornography is wrong, especially considering you have also stated that it didn't exist back then. You've got me curious, especially since I've read the Bible from cover to cover many times. |
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I think he does mean "adultry" though. They didnt have the internet back then.. so it couldnt have existed , but when it comes down to it, it is adultry, and the bible is against adultry (as far as I know). |
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"Adultery is the voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and another person who is not his or her spouse, though in some cultures adultery takes place only when a married woman has sexual relations with someone who is not her husband."
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Yes, but some cultures like to marry goats..
I dont think adultry is the right word for it, but back then, there wasnt a word for pornography either. Its more like, when a man see's pornography he immedialty gets sexual thoughts.. (not being sexist.. but you know..) I dont think adultry is the right word for it, but back then, there wasnt a word for pornography either. Its more like, when a man see's pornography he immedialty gets sexual thoughts.. (not being sexist.. but you know..) |
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Matthew 5:28
Jesus: "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." I've read the entire new testament and half the old testament and trust me, it is sinful But that doesn't mean you can't repent for such a sin. Any sin can be forgiven, and thousands of times if needed just as long as you truly mean it when you repent for the sins you repent for because God knows your heart. Jesus: "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." I've read the entire new testament and half the old testament and trust me, it is sinful But that doesn't mean you can't repent for such a sin. Any sin can be forgiven, and thousands of times if needed just as long as you truly mean it when you repent for the sins you repent for because God knows your heart. |
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What an ironic portion of the Gospel. Continuing on from there, we also learn that we should pluck out our eyes, cut off our hands, never get divorced, and give all your clothes to a complete stranger. What an ironic portion of the Gospel. Continuing on from there, we also learn that we should pluck out our eyes, cut off our hands, never get divorced, and give all your clothes to a complete stranger. |
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