Honestly I think there are two sides to every story. I think the bible is half the story and the Satanic bible is the other half. I'm not saying any of these are better than the other. I just would like to know both sides.

Satanism is a religion, it is recognized as a church by the government... and like others have said, it is really more of a philosophy than an actual worshiping of Satan. Now, there is also the "wannabe-Satansim" that has the sacrificing of animals and whatnot, but most times that is just troubled young people trying to rebel and seem dangerous, with no real idea of what they are doing.

As to the whole eye for an eye thing... the Old Testament is part of Christianity as well as the New Testament. While I agree that such notions are outdated and should be disregarded, plenty of more violent members of Christian society feel free to invoke it and other ideals from the OT whenever they see fit, so you can see how your argument that it is not a Christian idea can be contested.

ether way you look at any form of religion, it's only an excuse to hate on someone you don't know for something you can't prove that someone they don't know may or may not have done over 1000 years in the past. Besides, most religions are spun off other religions. Christmas isn't even a christian holiday. JESUS WAS BORN IN THE SUMMER!! it's a pagan holiday. St valentine was stoned and beaten to death, and we celebrate by giving candy? thanksgiving is the celebration of our beginning to steal from the natives of the great land of Canada. Religion is a choice and a method of relieving the fear of death. it doesn't matter what you believe in, as long as you accept what other people do.

I think thai the most retarded religion ever beacuse satan dosen't love us, he HATES us. Besides if you do chose to do this you will burn in Hell for eturnity.

Satanism just feels weird to people since christianity is more common and that it opposes Christianity... since i am not a religion guy i don´t really care...religion is translated the wrong way in my eyes.

Religion just means a set of beliefs by which a person lives their life. If you have beliefs, you have a religion.

Religion doesn't have to mean God, gods and goddesses, nature, animals, or anything like that. The pure definition means you believe in SOMETHING, anything, and you have guidelines or rules by which you live.

Yes, Satanism, in all its forms, is a religion. You can agree or disagree with it but that doesn't mean it is not a religion.

I happen to think some of their tenents are pretty good.

Baconator : Lucifer (speculated as Satan before he was cast from Heaven) supposedly loved God, a lot. He loved him so much, that when God demanded that the angels bow down and marvel at his human creations, Lucifer refused to love humans as much as God, and believed that they should follow God's will. God punished Lucifer for refusing to bow before humans, and cast him out of Heaven. Lucifer never hated humans, he just didn't think they were better than him, and personally, if all that is somehow true, I'd side with Lucifer. But of course, he is Satan now, and he envies humans for their connection with God.

jmc1097 : Lets make this very simple. If you dont worship God , your in pack with the Devil.
From a Christians point of view. I myself am neutral and will go against anyone who pushes religion on me. Not every human being thinks exactly alike. In fact no one does. If you disagree with what the church does, form a new church. Thats were you'll find Christians, Catholics, Mormons , Muslims ect. ect. you take what you like about it and disregard the rest. Perhaps throw in a few commandments while your at it. Same goes with satanism . you got Laveys book which was written in the sixties and guess what if you ever read the book being a satanist is almost the same as being a hippie. The free love part was cool , darn feminist. Then you have H.P. lovecrafts necronomican which was supposed to be a fictional story and somehow became a religion. I didn't finish reading that one , it kinda scared the crap out of me. Aleister Crowley's Golden Dawn ect. ect. What all religions have in common is they tell a story that imprints in your mind. If you ever study psychology ( I think its that one, I forget ) If you tell yourself your weak a hundred times a day everyday you will become weak. If you say your strong you become strong. Brain washing , tell yourself or someone else anything over and over again your going to believe what their saying. Its really funny but the more you stray from Christianity the more Christianity becomes just another cult. Reality is what you believe in. Now I've read books , saw videos and spoke to people who are into satanism / the black arts, what ever and my advise to anyone whos into that sorta thing is to stop. Our minds are more powerful than you think and our bodies are the weakest.

DeathsElixir :

If you dont worship God , your in pack with the Devil.

I dont agree with this at all. I worship nothing, being an atheist. I don't believe in God, or the Devil, so how am I "in pack" with him?

Anyway, Satanism is a religion. Just as much a religion as Christianity, Buddhism, or Judaism is. Because they have a belief system, all the same, despite it being quite differemt.

legacyme3 : You did read all of what I wrote right? The next part, from a Christians point of view.

DeathsElixir :

Sorry for the confusion. I read it, but thought you meant something along the lines of

"Lets make this very simple. If you dont worship God , your in pack with the Devil.

From a Christians point of view, I myself am neutral..."

I thought you meant you were a neutral Christian by that. Someone who was Christian, but only passively.

Now that I see your sentence as

"Lets make this very simple. If you dont worship God , your in pack with the Devil. -Typical Christian Point of View."

things make more sense =D

Good to know I don't need to be mad and throw bags of poop at your doorstep debate the merits of Athiesm. =3

legacyme3 : its all good.

Sephitard9001 : He is the source of envy, hatred, war, and varios other bad feelings, beacuse of his hatred, he burns us in hell when god knows we're not righteus enough in heaven, and then he comes on to the material plane to tourment us. I don't kmow about you but that sounds like hatred.
Also he hated us humans for our freedom of will.

Baconator : That's a matter of point of view. You believe what you do because other people have told you. If Satan/Devil were real, you would have no way to prove that, just because, "the Bible says so" doesn't make it correct. If God is perfect, then his words should be perfect, but they have been changed in every scripture. I read that in one of the original texts, it says Lucifer wanted humans to be able to ascend to Heaven, and that he refused to bow to them because of his love for God. But I wasn't in the minds of those who wrote this, so I also have no way to prove if this is true.

its your choice god devil or bob lol well if you think god and devil are fake your bobism if you think god is the right way catholic or christian if you think devil is your man on friday your satanism by the way bye jmc we will all miss you (well not the mods)

Sephitard9001 : In a way I guess your right but I definettly don't think i'd ever side with satan.

Baconator : Well, Lucifer was a different person, he became what we know as Satan when God cast him aside and filled him with envy. Btw, I am not religious, but I have read a few things.

Sephitard9001 : I'm sure you "know things" but I guess we can come to a coclusion beacuse you just said satan is filled with envy. Thus making me right.

I don't think this was originally posted as a discussion of "how bad the devil is," I think it was meant as a discussion of Satanism as a religion.

My opinion and my summary of my interpretation of the story, is that God created Man and Angels and gave both of them free-will. Satan was the highest of these Angels and was the only angel that had direct access to the Father (God). He was also in charge of worship (in other words, music), adorned with jewels on his body and in every way blessed with everything that would make him God's flag-ship creation in Heaven. He held sway over the other Angels and was in a position of respect.

At some point, he saw the way that God treated human beings and became jealous. He was jealous of their direct relationship with God and jealous of the Earth that God had given humans to live, roam, play, etc. He felt that he wanted their position and then he went further and decided that he could take God's position as well. He also felt that they did not deserve to be given some of the same blessings that had been bestowed upon him by God. He lied to the first humans (in the Bible this is Adam and Eve) and told them that they could be like God if they disobeyed his command and they in turn lied to themselves and believed this as well.

They took the forbidden fruit and gained awareness of life and death, which made them "like God," but it did not make them God. Knowing what they had done, they felt shame for the first time, turned away from God and hid from him as he looked for them in Eden. This basic position of separation exists to this day. Seeing what Satan had done, God cast him out from Heaven and stripped him of his position of trust. This angered Satan even further and he rallied 1/3rd of the angels against God and Heaven. They were defeated by God's Army led by the Angel Michael.

After the unsuccessful revolt of Satan, his mission became to drag the rest of us down to Hell with him. You have heard the saying that misery needs company, but Satan is also fueled by an unquenchable hatred for the creation that he attributes to his fall. Satan hates all human beings, even ones who serve him knowingly or unknowingly. He has various ways of doing this, one of them manifests itself in the concept of Satanism.

Satanism could be the reaction of human beings who are compelled to worship something and therefore have chosen Satan, for whatever reason. Whether they genuinely believe that Satan is the good-guy or not, Satan won't argue with a religion that glorifies him over God. That is one of his stated goals. Satan also wants to convince us that he is not real, to remove the feeling of threat and fear of Hell. Therefore, it is only natural that modern Satanism has developed to remove the literal Satan from the picture. Another consideration is that Satan can appear to human beings as an angel of light. With this ability, it is possible to convince human beings that he is worthy of worship.

My personal opinion is that Satanism is very foolish. Especially in the literal translation. Using Satan as a concept symbolizing freedom is dangerous enough, but if anyone thinks that the literal Satan will reward them in the afterlife for deeds done on earth, they are severely mistaken. Satan is like the crime boss who uses his soldiers like pawns. He will reap all of the rewards, then accuse us of sin in judgment anyway. Satan is incapable of making a lasting "pact" with anyone, as Satan is the Father of Lies.