Ghostbear1111 : The site you linked is a known conservative site so will try to paint everything liberal as bad. [urk]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Air[/url]

Please provide neutral third-party links to evidence or your posts will be disregarded.

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janus : Another one of you types... https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/09/15/no-bernie-sanders-is-not-going-to-bankrupt-america-to-the-tune-of-18-trillion/

Bernie is not going to spend eighteen trillion dollars at once and much of the cost will be footed by levying fees on the spending in Wall Street. Kindly do some research before you regurgitate what the conservative media feeds you.

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janus : Prove that the Occupy movement has caused more damage and menaced fewer lives, considering the stand off with the militia started recently and hasn't been going on like Occupy has.

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janus : Sanders is not nuts and he only supports keeping out immigrants until screening can be overhauled. Doing a bit of research attests to that.

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janus : Because the Occupy movement doesn't have one hundred and fifty plus guns with them and threaten to kill anyone that comes close? I posted a link to the story and there's guns involved.

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So it turns out that one hundred and fifty heavily armed men have taken over a federal building. The statements I've found from one of the members of the group sounds frankly crazy.

Link to a story below.

http://deadstate.org/breaking-over-150-armed-right-wing-militia-members-have-taken-over-a-federal-building-in-oregon/

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Txgangsta : 1. No, big businesses DO NOT PAY MAJOR TAXES. I've all ready given links disproving this in other threads and I'm getting super tired of you ignoring what I post. The 0.01% pay less taxes than the rest of us.

2. Having paid college available goes hand in hand with raising the minimum wage. When more Americans get paid more money, it creates more jobs because more money is going into the economy and when more jobs are created then more jobs open up higher in the job pyramid and more people can get degrees and find jobs in their field.

All of this is intertwined and if you cannot understand this then I will have to stop posting about it. I'm working two jobs for an average of nine hours a day and take what little personal time I have to comment on here. I do not need to keep repeating the same posts and giving the same links if you're going to completely ignore them.

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1. Bernie plans to close loopholes in the tax system and implement a series of taxes on Wall Street over the next ten years to provide free college and a single-payer health care. He also plans to increase minimum wage so more people have more money.

More people with more money means a healthier America and college available for everyone means that students won't be burdened with ten thousand dollars worth of debt to they can contribute to the economy when they're done with college instead of working for ten years to pay off these loans.

Higher minimum wage catches up with what the actual minimum wage level should be and provides more people with more money without damaging the economy.

2. Back in the 1950's, the taxes on big business was up to ninety percent and the economy was booming. Taxes on big business is at an all time low so raising these taxes would just bring it into level with how taxes were a couple decades ago. Bernie isn't wanting to raise those taxes to ninety percent, although he could and the economy would be better than it was in the 50's, but he wants to bring it into line with tax levels from a few decades ago.

Big businesses are pay almost no taxes at all and in many cases those businesses are getting money back from the government.

3. You ask some very basic question and these answers can be found on his website.


http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-israel-and-the-palestinians/






Also I do not like you calling him a maniac. I don't see you referring to anyone else in this presidential race as this and it takes from the seriousness of the discussion. You could have called him many other things that don't have the negative connotations attached.

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Txgangsta : No, raising wages does NOT cause inflation. The last time there was a minimum wage increase, there wasn't mass inflation so why would it happen this time.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/23/5-facts-about-the-minimum-wage/

I all ready gave you links to information about what rich people do. They do not leave money sit in American banks, they let money sit in banks in other countries. That money is not used by the banks to give loans or anything, like the article states, it just sits there and moulders.

If you're going to ignore the information I present and just deny everything I post, there's no reason for me to continue with this. Do some research of your own and stop knee-jerk denying everything I post.


mastergame: So Obama didn't get anything passed the first two years he was in office? That's when the Senate and House were blue so things actually got done. This is why Bernie supporters are also voting for politicians that will work with Bernie.

Also I don't like the implied insult that I do not do my pwn research and that I just repeated what's fed to me. Don't turn this into a personal attack.

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Txgangsta : Do you live by yourself? What state do you live in? Do you have kids? All of those things are a factor in what expenses there are in daily life.
You don't own a car or pay for any insurances at all? Car insurance is a thing and so is paying to keep a car on the road and working well enough as to not be a hazard to the driver or those around. In many states a car is a must. I have to have a car to get around where I live since many places are fifteen to twenty minutes by car. If I could walk safely to somewhere, it would take me hours. Also insurance is a thing that has to be paid for. What happens if you come down with something really nasty and you have to go to the doctor or the hospital? You're going to be paying for a long time. A short visit to the hospital without insurance can mean thousands of dollars you will have to pay or ruin your credit or have the hospital sue you. Do you know how much medications can be? I have asthma and my medication would cost me a hundred dollars if I didn't have insurance.


No, the rich do not invest back into our economy. They leave money sit overseas to collect interest or buy things from other countries. http://www.alternet.org/economy/5-reasons-rich-are-ruining-economy-hoarding-their-money

Rich people do not help the economy, they sit on their money! Do you know what helps the economy? Raising the minimum wage to a more proper level so all the people that work every day to make this country work have more money so they can live better lives and spend more money so the economy grows. Here's where you're seriously wrong.

Minimum wage is $7.25/hour nationally so that's #580 for eighty hours, a desired two weeks of work. People can't get full time anymore but let's go by the numbers. Twenty thousand people making $7.25/hour for eighty hours in two weeks is 11.6 million dollars. One rich person decides to buy a $500,000 house. Which scenario places more money back into the economy? Twenty thousand people working or one rich dude buying himself another house so he can get out of more taxes?

You subscribe to trickle-down economics or some version of it and through the test of time that theory has been proven wrong.

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Txgangsta : Bernie doesn't want to make money "switch hands" from the rich to the poor, he wants to make the rich pay taxes that they get out of and he will tax transactions to provide the health care and college.

The economy has gotten worse because the rich have bought out parts of the government and kept wages down while finding ways to make more money for themselves. These rich people then send money overseas so they don't have to pay taxes on it and the government takes even more of a hit. Notice how more and more jobs are sent overseas? That's corporations and the rich people that own them making more money while taking jobs from Americans so there's even fewer jobs and fewer money going into the economy.

Corporate welfare is a thing. One hundred million dollars could do so much for the country but we spend it on helping out corporations so the CEO can give himself a raise while he decides to send jobs overseas.

Also ruining unions would just destroy the working class. Corporations and the government that has been bought out have been actively trying to destroy unions for a while now and unions are at the lowest point in decades. Unions are one of the few things keeping corporations from turning their employees into slaves!



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Txgangsta : So you cherry-pick your text like m0ssb3rg935 does? Would you like your sister,mother, or even daughter to have to marry the man who raped her and got her pregnant? Even if she decided to carry the fetus to term, I would advocate an abortion is a situation like that, she would have to live every day of her life knowing that she was married to a man who violated her one of her most private parts.

And what if you claim that it's just the bible being old and times have moved on? Then why do you still hold an antiquated book as your religious text? Huge amounts of the bible can be considered to be irrelevant in today's society...

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Txgangsta : I understand this but many people out there think that evolution says humans came from apes, meaning humans came from actual apes and they never bother to make this distinction.
That's why I make it a point to make the distinction clear.

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mastergame : That means nothing and could be considered spam.

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m0ssb3rg935 : What? The bible has been translated almost into an entirely different work of fiction than what was written.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Bible_translations

I never claimed that my morality was superior and what I believe in has nothing to do with anything. The only think I ever mentioned is how chock full of horrible the bible is.

You cannot cherry-pick your religious text and expect others to respect your opinion.

1. Bad translations because the bible has been translated an immense number of times and modernized so much that little of what was originally written is there. If you were to claim the bible as your religious text, then you would need a hundreds of years older version.

2. Metaphor you say? Why is the bible full of metaphors if it's the text you're supposed to abide by and live by? Laws are codified and have no metaphors involved.

3. Cherry-picking yet again. Why does the bible even have an old testament if christians are supposed to ignore it? Why waste all that paper and kill all those trees to print something that should be ignored?

4. Salon is a liberal website but it caters to all kinds of topics. I really don't see how it is biased in any way, besides the liberal leaning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon_(website)

5. If jesus existed at all and what he might have been has nothing to do with anything. Just because one character in your story is a good person doesn't cancel out all the disgusting and morally wrong things in it.

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