You mean this?

I agree, it is a tad more original, and a bit more to the point. Would this be acceptable to use?

As for CuteLucca's work, I do like them. Colored work would stand out better though. I am willing to work with the images provided though. Something showing all characters at once would also better. The problem is, those pictures are so large and detailed, that they likely won't fit (and look good) on the page if all used simulataneously.

As for the merger of the title page and petition statement page, I am aware of the possible problem. The text in the petition statement has to be readable. As such, the background image has to be relatively light in color so as to make the black text easily readable. This of course, further limits our possible choices of artwork... which could be a problem I suppose.

Hmmm...

I see. So the situation is a bit more complicated than I had once thought. If that is the case, I shall wait until I hear from Jake-A-Roonie's attorney about that. Afterall, no use making a petition if it is completely legally unsound, right?

Stoney, I believing you were talking to some artists about a logo. Have they made any progress on that yet?

Hmmm... that artwork isn't too bad. Something colored would be good, but I think those'll do nicely. Hmmmm... you say you need to use one image? I'm thinking otherwise. Why not have a little variety, and use them all for seperate "versions" of the petition? I'm sure all fans have some character as their favorite, so why not let them choose the character they want in the background of the petition they gathr signatures on? What do you think of that?

As for the pages, I really don't think we need a title page. That is just sort of... a waste of paper. That is why I recommended two pages. The first page would have the art in the background, as well as the logo. The Petition statement would be easily readable from there as well. The second page would have 20 to 25 spaces for signatures... as well as an area to put the total number of signatures (for that page) on. Obviously, if you needed room for MORE signatures, you would just reprint page 2. To calm your fears concerning S-E claiming the second page (containing the signatures) was not in correspondance with the first page (containing the petition statement), I suggest the logo from the first page also be put on the second page. It should also say somewhere on that page something along the lines of, "Chrono Trigger Remake Petition". That way, no matter what, we can claim that both pages are indeed pertaining to the same thing.

I'll see if I can make a "prototype" soon... after I get some "homework" done.

Hmmmm... I'm really that important? When you look at it thus far, I really haven't done anything amazing... but hey, I'm not one to not take appreciation. Much appreciated on my part.

Anyway, Stoney, I'd also like you to help out with the petition. Quite frankly, you're probably more-deserving of that position than myself. Anyway, I think the time is right to work on fixing up that petition. I think Props, Stoney, and I should discuss a bit more in detail what we plan to do with the petition design. The wording is fine thus far. The only problem we might have is contacting with Props on the design and all.

Perhaps I should just inform you of what I think should be done with it, and then you can give me your thoughts on it. Sound good?
- Make the downloadable petition packet come with two pages.
- First page having CT artwork faded in to the background (or some kind of banner), with the petition statement and team logo over it.
- The second page having a space to list the total number of signatures for the page (acts as easy reference for Jake-A-Roonie when he counts total signatures), and non-numbered areas to place signatures (in this method, we can reprint the 2nd page to use for more signatures if needed.

The problem is, I don't think any of us are artists. We have two options then. We can either use official CT artwork, or we can find an artist to help with this. Then of course, there is the logo. We have two options for that. We may use the image seen on the website, or we may ask an artist to create one for us. What would you guys like to do?

Can't blame ya Stoney, that sounds a lot like my initial reaction.

Going to college, eh? It seems you are a year ahead of me then. I'm preparing for the eminent horrors of my Senior Year in the engineering highschool. The Senior Project is by far the largest aspect of my entire "career" in the Academy. If I screw THAT one up, then I'd have truely screwed up my entire four years there. Creepy. I guess it isn't looking too bad just yet though, a few companies seem interested in the project and are donating some parts and normally unattainable datasheets.

Anyway, I fully agree. The progress we're making is quite astounding. Of course, this is mostly due to one person, Jake-A-Roonie. I think we can all agree on that one, seeing the effort he has put in thus far. Of course, the project has had numerous others helping out too. We have two tasks to accomplish before the main aspect of this project can begin. Those being:

- Finish up basic design of site (Add in our own words!!!)
- Fix up the petition design.

...After that, we will be quite ready for advertising AND will be ready to begin the process of collecting signatures.

How signing the petition helps the CT series continue as a whole:

How can it not? By showing your support of the Chrono Trigger series by signing this petition, you are pledging to be interested in this and future Chrono Trigger projects. All companies work towards one goal: Money. If we show that Chrono Trigger, and thus, the entire Chrono series, is a profitable market, then we are very likely to get positive results from S-E. For example, the Final Fantasy series has continued so well because it had great support. Had fans not shown that they wanted more, the series would likely not continue. If we show that Chrono Trigger (the ROOT of the CT series) has a large fanbase, then we are not only likely to get a remake of Chrono Trigger, but we would also very likely see sequels to the series as well.

Good... so that was already taken care of. Just to point out a few errors on that page...
- Copyright is spelled incorrectly, you spelled it "copywrite". (you did this two times)
- In "All Rights Reserved", you spelled "Rights" incorrectly. You said "Rigths".

Just thought it might be a good idea to fix that.


As for the whole debunking of the "end of CT series" theory, I'll try to write up something on that a little later. I have to lock myself in the basement for a few hours with my partner to write some code, and throw some circuitry together. Hopefully they will remember to feed us this time...

Prepare yourself for loud screaming!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! HOLY CRAP!!! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT'D TURN OUT SO DAMN AWESOME!!! THAT SITE IS TEH AWESOMENESS!!!!11!!!!111!!!
This has been a "loud screaming" session. If I had been over your house, you would know by the roaring blasts of joy.


*ahem*

Anyway, it seems we now have a website up. Our "home" site, so to say. Your friend did a wonderful job. I didn't know he'd be making it like that. Good lord man, its just... so awesome. A simple, yet wonderful look. Not to mention, the music in the background is a nice added touch. Wonderful stuff. Just as a protection for the official CT artwork and music, I suggest you credit that towards SE. That way you're at least giving them credit... so it is less likely that they would take any action towards that. That just looks so damn professional, heh... it definitely raises my hopes on this quite alot. We can definitely get some notice with that.

Of course, there still is a problem. While it looks great, things obviously still need to be filled in. I'll definitely aid in the advertising, but it obviously would be best to wait until every thing is set. Again, great job so far with everything. The only thing left to do in my books would be to spruce up the petition itself a little bit. Otherwise we are just about set to get things in motion.

Actually, I already submited a story to Slashdot. It was rejected though. I think all of these will be ignored until we have a website. They put a HEAVY emphasis on giving them a website to be directed to, when you give them these scoops. I could only give them the forum address. Since it doesn't SOUND like a professional thing, they just ignored it.

I suggest once the website is up, and we have LINKS to support our claims, THEN we should send in the story. They will likely pay us mind better then.



As for the artwork, that is EXACTLY what I intended. That is why I requested artists. because I'd like to have some good looking fan-made work. At one point I thought about just using some nicely photoshopped official artwork, but I too thought that it might provoke them what with... them thinking we are taking their copyrighted images. Fan-made art though, can't be a bad thing. It needs to be well-drawn, well-colored, and nicely put in to the petition.


As for the group name, I never said it had to be CT RPG. I mentioned that as a possibility, but not necessarily as the name. I think some other names should be discussed, and we should decide on this name. Perhaps with a poll of some sort.
Other Possible Names:
- Chrono Trigger Petition Association C.T.P.A.
- Chrono Trigger Fans Wanting Remake C.T.F.W.A.

...I don't like those as much, but again, they are suggestions.


As for "Padmé" and her role in all of this, I think it is a good idea. The more legally correct our petition is, the better.

An opinion is an opinion, Stoney. If he doesn't like that particular name, you just have to respect that opinion. A name for this group should be thought of though. We can't advertise this group without a name for it, afterall.

Also, I do realize that Alezunde is a great artist. We have quite a few talented people ready to help us. We just need the basic website to get up so that we can tell the artists what to build for us.

Hmmmm... I have a difference in opinion on that petition setup. While I don't mind a simplistic area to sign names, I think there should be a seperate title page that would pretty much have at least a little "wow" factor. I think it should be pleasing to look at. Furthermore, our group REALLY should have some sort of name. We need some group to address this entire project to, afterall. We need of course, some sort of logo.


Believe me, I've worked in projects and for engineering groups and such. If there's ANYTHING that gets their attention, it is shiny pictures and perhaps some blinking lights (we can leave out that blinking lights part...). Let me list what I think would be the best possible design for the petition:

- Feature group logo, somewhere on the page.
- In highly visible, large text, name the petition purpose. Ours possibly being "Chrono Trigger Remake". You would place this somewhere near the top of the page.
- Have some kind of artwork in the background relating to the purpose of the petition. Should be faded so as to not make reading the petition statement (or anything else on it) difficult.
- The petition statement should be centered, and easily readable. Text should be highly visible.


...this is just my opinion though, of course. I think the statement and signature area should be seperated though. That way multiple signature areas could be printed out with ease.

I just thought I'd say...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHRONO TRIGGER!!!

It seems we might have missed that deadline. Don't feel bad about it though guys. We've made some good progress, and obviously... now that pressure to get stuff in by the deadline is gone. Relax a bit, and take a moment to commemorate the birth date of what is commonly called "The Greatest RPG ever made."


Meh... I wanted to have this done by now. I've been practicing with Photoshop for some time now, so I thought I'd do some nice coloring to an awesome shot of Magus I found a while ago. The only part I got to add any special effects to was the blade part of the scythe... as you could likely tell. I'll make sure it looks great when its done, but you get to look upon the incomplete garbage for now.

Great to hear from your Props. I was starting to think something bad had happened.

Too bad your internet is cut off though. That will make contacting you and everything a pretty big pain. I guess every once in a while is better than NEVER though. Anyway, we've come a pretty long way since your last visit. A website is being built, we're gathering up some artists to make that site pretty nice-looking too; even the petition title page will look quite nice. In other words, this will look as much like it is a professional group coming from a legitimate group as it possibly can.

As for Leadership, I was pretty much referring to the one looking over everything. We've all contributed something (especially you with the petition statement) to this, so it is not like we don't have any control over the situatuon. To be honest, with all the good ideas mentioned; I wouldn't be surprised if we could be considered a kind of "demi-leader". I think Jake-A-Roonie is really in to this though, and he has done a lot of work for this endeavor thus far. It would only seem reasonable to make him the leader.


Anyway, we now have your approval on the petition. As such, I think the time is right to begin working on the petition itself. As mentioned earlier; our title page (that having the statement on it) should be relatively attractive. It should have our group's logo, perhaps some faded out CT imagery in the background, and of course... the statement highly visable. The pages thereafter do not necessarily need any imagery, in fact... I don't think them being blank (0ther than places for signatures) would be much of a problem.

Jake, just to inform you. It seems a few people on the CTRP forums have made, or want to make artwork for us. I think it would be best for you to contact them so as to give them the specifics as to what we need. I suppose for a website we would need a background image, perhaps a banner and a menu. In addition, if we ever make a forum specifically for the purpose of our petition... some good artwork wouldn't hurt their either. Also.... I suppose the title page for our petition could use a logo for our "group", and perhaps some CT imagery in the background for aesthetical purposes.

Just give the guys over at CTRP a job, and I'm pretty certain they'll gladly help us out. Some of them have already done some work... which may or may not be a good thing, considering we may not be able to use their work.

You know, honestly, I was thinking along similar terms not too long after 9/11. I just thought, "that entire section of the world is evil. It must be destroyed." I've matured since then though, and I just see this as... a wrong view. Of course, this ALL depends on how you look at it in the long run. Thus, let me give TWO looks at the arguement. I personally believe in the moral look at it, but that is because I was raised in a society with these "morals".


"Unmoral":
There are those who oppose us. They wish to change us to what we are not, or to destroy us. They have already come to attack us, on occasion. We know the location of this "cancer" to our society (or group). Like all diseases, do we not wish to remove the source of these ailments? Like the treatment of cancer, we will take out both the good and bad in this extermination. In the end though, we will truely be rid of that which ails us.

"Moral":
Not all people in these regions are evil. There are indeed those who are terrorists and cruel leaders, but there are those who wish to live a life of peace. Who are we to take the lives of those uninvolved? Would it not be hypocritical to take the lives of the innocent, just as they have to us? We will rid ourselves of the threat in time, and while we may suffer because of this, we can live knowing innocents were left unharmed.


There really is no "wrong" or "right" choice here. It depends on how one looks at it. For while it makes it so much easier to destroy the region in question... would we be able to live with the consequences of these attacks? Wouldn't other countries take notice? When one considers what to do, one must consider the consequences. While just going and destroying the area would rid us of many terrorists, would it not anger nearby governments? Would our own people not be angered with us due to their moral beliefs? When considering this, the "moral" outlook seems to be the far better choice, in a purely logical look at it.

Wow... you actually hired a professional designer for this? That is pretty awesome. Didn't think you'd go that far. It seems the website shall be looking quite awesome.

Anyway, inform us when it is done.

SPOILERS!!! Read only if you intend to ruin the story for yourself!!!
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Yes. Orochimaru can "send his mind" in to a body once every three years. That is how he attained a kind of immortality. Now that I think about it though, I'm not sure if he can shapeshift (in to his original form) after he enters a body. Sasuke did join Orochimaru for the very reasons you mentioned. To gain power to defeat Itachi. He has become a pupil (of sorts) to Orochimaru, and recieves heavy training. It is Naruto's goal to get Sasuke back before three years pass, and Orochimaru takes over Sasuke's body. That group that Itachi is part of is actually after Naruto, not Sasuke. They want something that is pretty much the very essence of Naruto. Want to guess what that is?

Oh yea... I remember that one from Toonami quite some time ago. It was pretty long ago, so my mind is sort of hazy on it all. I remember it was pretty funny. Reminded me of Love Hina and some crazy scifi movie somehow combined...

I remember it was funny, had some interesting characters and such. There were like... three seperate versions though. There was Tenchi Muyo... Tenchi (something else) and... Tenchi (something else again). Now that I think about it, I really wish I could watch that series again...

Very interesting. It seems we would be pretty much set then, wouldn't we? Jake-A-Roonie, you said you knew someone who could design a webpage for free, right? I suggest you get him to contact Davideo7 ASAP. I don't mean to push whomever it is in to this, but if they are capable... the sooner the better. We don't need anything flashy... at least not now. We just need a website stating the purpose of the petition, the people involved, and perhaps a method of contacting us. We can go from there.

Well... I got a pretty stale response from the Nintendo forums. I DID get one person willing to help, but I haven't heard from him since my last reply. Though those who replied seemed relatively interested, they didn't really seem to have any intention of helping. I guess that should have been expected.


Anyway, even if we manage to get that program... we still need a domain, right? This is slowing us down. Well, I'll say right now, if we don't get that site up in four days it won't be the end or anything. It would have been NICE to get it up for the anniversary though. If we REALLY have to; we might want to consider one of those crappy free webpages you can make. I'd really RATHER avoid that though. That would kind of... take away from the whole "professional" aspect. Then there is that whole deal with choosing an artist. A lot of things have to be done, but we need a domain and an artist. If we can get that; then we can move foward.