I am so tired of all that Illuminati stuff. No group of people could possibly control the course of mankind throughout history. Presidents and the government covering up secret assassinations or theories like that have nothing to do with the Illuminati. It's just human beings being the fools that they are. Yes, I believe sometimes sports games are fixed, but the players always have the choice of whether to win or lose. Except for actual physical limitations. Even the NFL could not stop a random Nigerian-native coroner from exposing the concussion problem. Even if they do exist, I am sure that their missions probably fail a lot. Going around and manipulating everybody is something that the mafia and media does. And if you choose to believe in Illuminati, and are also a Christian, don't be too gullible. The Devil can use such lies to control you and make you do what he wants. But no human can manipulate that cleverly.

And I will say this plain and clear. Apparently the Illuminati is everywhere and is even watching us here on this website. Okay. Go ahead Illuminati. Find out who I am and come meet me face to face. Ruin my life all you want. Because I have the truth on my side. And the truth is that you don't exist. If you do, you are just a bunch of thugs who love attention. Don't worry. I'll be waiting.

TheBWoods15 : I kind of agree with your opinion, but I disagree with most of it. The Kennedy assassination was a prime example of a cover-up and LBJ covered it up really good. I agree with your point on sports events being fixed though. They always have the choice on what to do. I don't think the Illuminati is everywhere, but I think some organization is behind many events going on in the world. 

I just have one thing left to say to you TBW. 
TBW: Illuminati confirmed.

The Illuminati, the Free Masons, the Skull and Bone Society, the Rothschilds, all sorts of conspiracy theories...

I do not know why people buy into this nonsense. There is no substantial proof that any of these actually exist. Like St. Thomas, show me so I can believe

There is a great deal of misconception about who these groups are/were. It's a well known fact that the Bush family are members of the Skull and Bones Society. It's a well known fact that the founding fathers of the nation were York right Free Masons. The Illuminati was founded some time in the late 18th century as an opposition to oppression by governments and the Roman Catholic Church in Germany. The word Illuminati is plural of the Latin Illuminatus, meaning "Enlightened". Their original intent was not world dominance, but to get themselves into a position of power in order to shape Europe into what they thought to be a better place and free the people from catholic dictatorship. Are they still around? Who knows. Does it really matter if they're pulling strings today? Not really. As has been seen throughout history, power will invariably corrupt even the most noble of causes, and if they're still around, it would be no different from the back room deals and special interest groups and corrupt corporations we already have overtly. Being the self proclaimed "Enlightened", they are just another bunch of elitists with their own brand of cronyism. It's absolutely conceivable, and completely realistic to think that a group as such would have, or still does, exist.

janus : Umm.... I don't know about where you live, but I can name probably five locations where there are Masonic lodges in four counties.

If I had to describe the positions of the two sides of illuminati (the good ones who tried to shape Europe and the bad ones who are apparently trying to conquer the world without breaking a sweat) I would compare them to the Anbu Black Ops, and the Akatsuki. The Anbu Black Ops try to maintain peace while ordinary villagers live peacefully, and regular ninja carry out lighter missions. They are like good Illuminati because they manipulate things for the good of all. But the Anbu did have flaws such as forcing Itachi to kill all of the Uchiha.
The bad Illuminati is the Akatsuki, because their main goal is to create war and spread hatred throughout the land. Instead of putting an eye on the moon, they want to implant cameras or "eyes" into our brains so that they can control us completely. Itachi and Nagato were just people with good intentions who thought they had to do things with hatred. But I am sure there would be a couple bad Illuminati members like that as well.
But I actually do not think our world's Anbu Black Ops Corps, and Akatsukis are Illuminatis. In real life we have the FBI and CIA and many other secret services. They do assassinations and other covert operations to help keep the country "safe", but it could also lead to a Uchiha clan, or Hidden Rain Village backlash. For example, dropping nukes on Japan, and executing certain people in the Middle East could bring about hatred or a desire for revenge. That is how ISIS was born. I think  ISIS was created, because they believe Americans are killing their family, and people that they actually love. And that brought about hatred and revenge in the form of terrorist military groups. Terrorist are people who live on hatred and desire to create war. Just like the Akatsuki. They want to control everybody through fear. Also, when the Anti-Christ comes and starts trying to rule over us, he will have an all-seeing-eye just like the moon sharingan or obviously the Illuminati pyramid eye. So the Illuminati might be something that will exist in the future, but it certainly does not exist as of now. That's what I think.

What do you mean, I've been paying dues to the Illuminati for years!

;p

m0ssb3rg935 : OK, let me rephrase that. The Free Masons and other "fringe" organisations still exist. However, that they have any meaningful influence over modern politics and our lives remains to be proved.

TheBWoods15 : Huge flaw in your last statement. First of all, the FBI doesn't do covert operations, they are the Federal Bureau of Investigation, but I'm just nit-picking on that one. The Islamic State has nothing to do with the U.S. being somewhere it shouldn't be. The fact of the matter is that ISIS are bent on world rule under the guise of religion the same way Rome was during the crusades. It's not in retaliation to anything. If it WAS in retaliation of the U.S. violating a region's sovereignty, they would be wholly focused on us instead of burning and shooting up France and blowing up Russian airliners. They wouldn't be burning Jordanians alive or beheading Syrians. They are a pack of rabid dogs who use religion to try and justify their attempted conquest of the world. Maybe we wouldn't be killing their families if they weren't killing ours. And on the subject of nuking Japan, Keiji Shibazaki was quoted as saying that, to take mainland Japan, "it would take one million men and one hundred years." And he wasn't wrong. The Japanese had no intentions of surrender, and had vowed to fight to the last man, woman and child. The only reason we had to use the nukes is that our hand was forced. Heck, even the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight David Eisenhower, was opposed to the use of unconventional weaponry on Japan. I'm not saying the U.S. has never done anything wrong. Should we have been supplying China against Japan? Probably not. It's why they bombed us in the first place. Did FDR know that Japan was going to bomb Pearl Harbor, but choose to let it happen anyway? I believe so. FDR wasn't the great guy everyone thinks he was. But the bottom line is that the U.S. can't be blamed for everything that's wrong with the world.

m0ssb3rg935 : I agree with a lot of your views and yes I think the Illuminati did exist and I believe it still does- just maybe not as intense as before and probably is made up of fanatics that want to bring it back to light. But, I do think there's more to the government than we know. I think they have more internal reasons/motives that  explain why they make the moves they do (example supplying China against Japan) and it may not always be in our best interests as a nation long term but it is to them short term for unknown motives to us- I think they overly play both sides of the fence and that has brought up a lot of questions and mistrust that could make groups of people want to bring Illuminati back to existence. I do think our government is responsible for a lot of our own attacks/misfortunes as a way to gain more power and support from the people. A sort of power trip and overall control of the population by shaping our views on certain matters that have been happening for decades and are now extremely broadcast to us to create a sense of fear more than knowledge and thus give us the need to depend more on the government and trust it more on matters of our own personal choices that would be otherwise deemed as unconstitutional and outside their hands.

The words that are capitalized on the thread are "There" and "No".
There has 5 letters.
No has 2.

5-2 = 3.

As in the Illuminati Triangle.

"There is no such thing as the Illuminati" that sounds like something the Illuminati would say.

As a professional, I say this;
TheBWoods is the Illuminati.

Txgangsta :

Me too.  We should have joined the promise keepers or scientologists instead. All this hype and nothing to show for.

To think that such incompetence these days could rule this world, is sad and laughable at best, and sorry military, but there is no isis.  Mere sheep sent to the slaughter for profit of war.  It is also known that the united states has funded both sides of multiple wars.  The governments don't rule any more, but the heads of the corporations and bankers now do, and we the people, have no say in that.  It has been proven that dead people still vote for presidents.  It no longer matters who is the "president" for their will shall be done as long as we the people sit idly by and let them dictate us.  I suppose it doesn't matter what they call themselves...the "Illuminati" are very real and when they are ready, the pieces of their puzzle will fall upon those who are not ready and crush them into place.  I pray to whatever gods are out there, that we do not let this happen.  Good luck to you all, and thanks for this post

lordbelial669 : Yes, who is in power does not matter since they all want more power for themselves. However you have it backwards; it is STILL the politicians who rule. They basically blackmail the market to abide by their orders or else. Otherwise business people would waste no time brib... er lobbying politicians and would instead focus on offering better products. The last one who did that was Bill Gates and he paid dearly for forgetting to pay tribute to his overlords.