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Here we go...Piracy and file sharing

 

11-21-14 07:23 AM
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I partial agree with thenumberone, but really I don't think that we should do a wrong to the producers. The producers of the CD/ Song are being dishonest, but that doesn't justify me being the same way. I think if I were the person putting the CD out, and found people pirating it, I would be greatly offended... I did pirate some songs, but I no longer think it is right. There are so many services that legally stream, that piracy isn't really a good option.
I partial agree with thenumberone, but really I don't think that we should do a wrong to the producers. The producers of the CD/ Song are being dishonest, but that doesn't justify me being the same way. I think if I were the person putting the CD out, and found people pirating it, I would be greatly offended... I did pirate some songs, but I no longer think it is right. There are so many services that legally stream, that piracy isn't really a good option.
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I'm the same as you when it comes to this topic ... somewhere in the middle. Here's your questions then I'll hop into this with my opinion. 
1.Is online piracy morally wrong, either partially or completely? Yes online piracy is wrong no matter how you spin it but it has also become expected in the internet driven world we live in. It is up to the person to decide on a individual basis if they find it morally wrong to do so or not by their own set of morals. You will get varied answers to this because everyone does not think alike or share the same morals. I myself think it is wrong. The upside to piracy is also free advertisement for the person, group or organization. If it worries you that much tho then stay out of pirating sites and go spend some money. 
If partially, where is the line? At what point does it become stealing? There is no line here. You cross the line as soon as you click to download anything that was meant to be sold and not pirated. That is stealing in every sense of the word because you are taking away from that person or persons livelihood. 
2. Do you ever download things you haven't paid for? If so why? If not....Why? Yes I will if I can find something I want online then I will get it. I'll feel bad for not paying for it but at the same time I am happy as hell I got it. I'd have to say at least eight  times out of ten my morals are tossed out when it comes to the choice of spending a lot of money for something or getting it for free most of the time online. I also go out and pay for stuff a lot ... so don't get me wrong. I don't illegally download stuff all the time to just have it. I only do it when cash is a big issue. 

So to end this yes I think it is wrong but will I stop doing it just because of that ? The answer is no. 


I'm the same as you when it comes to this topic ... somewhere in the middle. Here's your questions then I'll hop into this with my opinion. 
1.Is online piracy morally wrong, either partially or completely? Yes online piracy is wrong no matter how you spin it but it has also become expected in the internet driven world we live in. It is up to the person to decide on a individual basis if they find it morally wrong to do so or not by their own set of morals. You will get varied answers to this because everyone does not think alike or share the same morals. I myself think it is wrong. The upside to piracy is also free advertisement for the person, group or organization. If it worries you that much tho then stay out of pirating sites and go spend some money. 
If partially, where is the line? At what point does it become stealing? There is no line here. You cross the line as soon as you click to download anything that was meant to be sold and not pirated. That is stealing in every sense of the word because you are taking away from that person or persons livelihood. 
2. Do you ever download things you haven't paid for? If so why? If not....Why? Yes I will if I can find something I want online then I will get it. I'll feel bad for not paying for it but at the same time I am happy as hell I got it. I'd have to say at least eight  times out of ten my morals are tossed out when it comes to the choice of spending a lot of money for something or getting it for free most of the time online. I also go out and pay for stuff a lot ... so don't get me wrong. I don't illegally download stuff all the time to just have it. I only do it when cash is a big issue. 

So to end this yes I think it is wrong but will I stop doing it just because of that ? The answer is no. 


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You know, from a personally stand point, I don't really like online piracy, because how I look at the whole pirate situation, stealing other content for free isn't really a good idea, because people has made those things with their heart and guts and I feel like they need to be awarded for their hard work on their material. Sure, I know all the producers that makes those things are the ones getting the money and personally I don't think this is fair for the creators, but back to piracy, I don't want to download anything for free, if I really wanted music really bad, I do happen to have a job, I can go buy an iTunes card and buy them off of iTunes, I think to my point of view, it's better that way.

Plus also, if you download anything for free, 9 times out 10, you'll end up with a very bad virus, and that can be a little fatal for your computer, so to my standpoint, if you want to avoid getting a virus, best to buy your stuff, maybe the virus might be a punishment for you downloading music, movies, and TV shows for free.

Sure I know their is a couple of things that are just expensive as no tomorrow and it's not worth that price, like programs that cost $1,000, that, that is at least understandable, but I will still never do that, because the program can also be confusing to figure out for me, and I'm stuck with it and have virus at the same time, that is a really bad combination to have on your computer. So my best bet, it's really wise to not to pirate things because it is completely wrong to do because it can in fact come back and haunt you.
You know, from a personally stand point, I don't really like online piracy, because how I look at the whole pirate situation, stealing other content for free isn't really a good idea, because people has made those things with their heart and guts and I feel like they need to be awarded for their hard work on their material. Sure, I know all the producers that makes those things are the ones getting the money and personally I don't think this is fair for the creators, but back to piracy, I don't want to download anything for free, if I really wanted music really bad, I do happen to have a job, I can go buy an iTunes card and buy them off of iTunes, I think to my point of view, it's better that way.

Plus also, if you download anything for free, 9 times out 10, you'll end up with a very bad virus, and that can be a little fatal for your computer, so to my standpoint, if you want to avoid getting a virus, best to buy your stuff, maybe the virus might be a punishment for you downloading music, movies, and TV shows for free.

Sure I know their is a couple of things that are just expensive as no tomorrow and it's not worth that price, like programs that cost $1,000, that, that is at least understandable, but I will still never do that, because the program can also be confusing to figure out for me, and I'm stuck with it and have virus at the same time, that is a really bad combination to have on your computer. So my best bet, it's really wise to not to pirate things because it is completely wrong to do because it can in fact come back and haunt you.
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Wow there are a lot of long replies to this thread. I didn't read all of them but from what I've read, that general stance is against piracy. Personally, I do pirate games and occasionally music, but it's almost a victimless crime. When you download it you are downloading a piece of code that has been distributed throughout the world. All of the files that will ever exist of the one game (or piece of media) were copied from one file.  It's not like somebody has to go back and type every piece of code for every game sold, it's as simple as right clicking and clicking copy. If you legitimately download a song and then you go to your desktop and copy and paste the mp3 file, is that piracy? Technically, yes it is. Does calling it piracy stop people from doing it? No, of course not. You can't fully police the Internet, it's too big of a place. Everybody has a moral compass and in these days most people's compass points towards what they are interested in. You guys can call me a dirty pirate all you want, but really I won't even care and will continue pirating. I think that piracy is a stupid crime to even enforce (well, you know what I mean). Why worry about the teenager sitting behind his computer downloading a game which is technically illegal, when there is someone walking out of a store with bread. The bread actually cost something to make and that money will never be refunded but as I said before, files can be copied infinitely.

All in all, I don't care what people think about me on the Internet as far as pirating goes because it's not like I even have any money for it right now. I still buy things when I do have money for it, but if it's ridiculously expensive and not a lot of content, I'm going to pirate the game and be happy about it because the developers try yo sell such a small game for a high price, but I go it for free. It gives you the felling of hitting the guy that's selling gas for $3 and more a gallon right in the nose.
Wow there are a lot of long replies to this thread. I didn't read all of them but from what I've read, that general stance is against piracy. Personally, I do pirate games and occasionally music, but it's almost a victimless crime. When you download it you are downloading a piece of code that has been distributed throughout the world. All of the files that will ever exist of the one game (or piece of media) were copied from one file.  It's not like somebody has to go back and type every piece of code for every game sold, it's as simple as right clicking and clicking copy. If you legitimately download a song and then you go to your desktop and copy and paste the mp3 file, is that piracy? Technically, yes it is. Does calling it piracy stop people from doing it? No, of course not. You can't fully police the Internet, it's too big of a place. Everybody has a moral compass and in these days most people's compass points towards what they are interested in. You guys can call me a dirty pirate all you want, but really I won't even care and will continue pirating. I think that piracy is a stupid crime to even enforce (well, you know what I mean). Why worry about the teenager sitting behind his computer downloading a game which is technically illegal, when there is someone walking out of a store with bread. The bread actually cost something to make and that money will never be refunded but as I said before, files can be copied infinitely.

All in all, I don't care what people think about me on the Internet as far as pirating goes because it's not like I even have any money for it right now. I still buy things when I do have money for it, but if it's ridiculously expensive and not a lot of content, I'm going to pirate the game and be happy about it because the developers try yo sell such a small game for a high price, but I go it for free. It gives you the felling of hitting the guy that's selling gas for $3 and more a gallon right in the nose.
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jack3604 : I don't see the arguments in this thread having a majority either for or against piracy. Most people seem to understand that piracy wouldn't be supported in a perfect world, but that the industry is dishonest about what their products are or don't support the market. For example the newest Metal Gear game which retails for $30 is a 2 hr long demo of the game they are developing next, not a full game. Many manga and anime are hard to get in America and basically impossible to get in Europe. If you look at a list of all games made by any Japanese developer you will see that at least 1/3rd are Japan only releases making some games extremely hard to acquire in other countries. For example out of the 100+ games Square released before their merge with Enix only 13 were released in Australia and 32 were released in Europe. Pirating the unreleased games is legitimately the only way to get your hands on them.
jack3604 : I don't see the arguments in this thread having a majority either for or against piracy. Most people seem to understand that piracy wouldn't be supported in a perfect world, but that the industry is dishonest about what their products are or don't support the market. For example the newest Metal Gear game which retails for $30 is a 2 hr long demo of the game they are developing next, not a full game. Many manga and anime are hard to get in America and basically impossible to get in Europe. If you look at a list of all games made by any Japanese developer you will see that at least 1/3rd are Japan only releases making some games extremely hard to acquire in other countries. For example out of the 100+ games Square released before their merge with Enix only 13 were released in Australia and 32 were released in Europe. Pirating the unreleased games is legitimately the only way to get your hands on them.
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tiropat : If whomever really wanted to get their hands on a Japanese only release, they could move to Japan and buy it

When it comes to pirating, I could care less I don't usually watch movies or listen to music. On the occasion I do, money is provided for said title. Video games? Not many titles catch my interest, so the franchises that I do like, I am able to purchase their newest game. (If a friend recommends a game, I like to research the game to see if it's the kind of game I'd play). Otherwise, I'll just watch someone that's doing a Let's Play of the game on Youtube.

Would the Let's Plays on Youtube be considered piracy? That would be like watching someone in your room (Or at their house) play that new game, right? Or not, because afterwards you don't buy the game for yourself.

I like anime though, and I like to binge watch anime. A few days ago, I watched two 12 episode animes (with subtitles, cause that's how I roll) on Netflix. There aren't very many on Netflix that I've given a chance to watch,
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those 12 episode animes were Kotoura-san / Okami-san and Her Seven Companions.
Anyway, since I don't watch many anime on Netflix, I'll find some on Youtube to watch or some streaming website.

Do I think that piracy is bad? Yeah I think it's bad, but this world is already filth. I think that we're beyond the point of no return, and piracy is just the least of our problems. ^w^

You could say piracy is like a parasite. People download things they shouldn't, burn it onto a disc, and watch at their own amusement. Except instead of downloading things, the parasite steals nutrients from the host, stores it within themselves, and continue to live.
tiropat : If whomever really wanted to get their hands on a Japanese only release, they could move to Japan and buy it

When it comes to pirating, I could care less I don't usually watch movies or listen to music. On the occasion I do, money is provided for said title. Video games? Not many titles catch my interest, so the franchises that I do like, I am able to purchase their newest game. (If a friend recommends a game, I like to research the game to see if it's the kind of game I'd play). Otherwise, I'll just watch someone that's doing a Let's Play of the game on Youtube.

Would the Let's Plays on Youtube be considered piracy? That would be like watching someone in your room (Or at their house) play that new game, right? Or not, because afterwards you don't buy the game for yourself.

I like anime though, and I like to binge watch anime. A few days ago, I watched two 12 episode animes (with subtitles, cause that's how I roll) on Netflix. There aren't very many on Netflix that I've given a chance to watch,
Spoiler:
those 12 episode animes were Kotoura-san / Okami-san and Her Seven Companions.
Anyway, since I don't watch many anime on Netflix, I'll find some on Youtube to watch or some streaming website.

Do I think that piracy is bad? Yeah I think it's bad, but this world is already filth. I think that we're beyond the point of no return, and piracy is just the least of our problems. ^w^

You could say piracy is like a parasite. People download things they shouldn't, burn it onto a disc, and watch at their own amusement. Except instead of downloading things, the parasite steals nutrients from the host, stores it within themselves, and continue to live.
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I have pirated but not nearly as much as I used to. Now I mostly pirate media instead of games every once in a while.

Even thought piracy is stealing it's really not as bad as most industries want you to believe. The movie box office revenue increased by 4-6% earning a record breaking 35 billion dollars.

The music industry has been increasing since around the year 2000 whereas before it was declining back before digital piracy was even a thing.

Even the mobile gaming and casual gaming industry is doing better than ever.

I know piracy isn't a helping hand in the situation but I'm just trying to prove it's not as bad as everyone believes it to be. If piracy was "really destroying the industry" then things like Netflix and Steam wouldn't be around but they are doing overwhelmingly successful. I even own a Netflix account and have purchased over 50 games on Steam. Much more than I've pirated.

Learning wise piracy has actually helped me when it comes to coding and game development. It gave me the tools I needed which individually cost over 1000-2000 dollars or require monthly subscriptions which a student on minimum wage cannot afford. I will buy these in the future to legally license my work but for now it's a good learning tool to have in the future if I want a better chance in the field of work.

I purchase media and games all the time and pirate a fair share too. Most of the games I've actually pirated I end up buying too. I find I'd rather test the game out to see if it's worth buying. So from a moral standpoint I don't have much of a problem with it.
I have pirated but not nearly as much as I used to. Now I mostly pirate media instead of games every once in a while.

Even thought piracy is stealing it's really not as bad as most industries want you to believe. The movie box office revenue increased by 4-6% earning a record breaking 35 billion dollars.

The music industry has been increasing since around the year 2000 whereas before it was declining back before digital piracy was even a thing.

Even the mobile gaming and casual gaming industry is doing better than ever.

I know piracy isn't a helping hand in the situation but I'm just trying to prove it's not as bad as everyone believes it to be. If piracy was "really destroying the industry" then things like Netflix and Steam wouldn't be around but they are doing overwhelmingly successful. I even own a Netflix account and have purchased over 50 games on Steam. Much more than I've pirated.

Learning wise piracy has actually helped me when it comes to coding and game development. It gave me the tools I needed which individually cost over 1000-2000 dollars or require monthly subscriptions which a student on minimum wage cannot afford. I will buy these in the future to legally license my work but for now it's a good learning tool to have in the future if I want a better chance in the field of work.

I purchase media and games all the time and pirate a fair share too. Most of the games I've actually pirated I end up buying too. I find I'd rather test the game out to see if it's worth buying. So from a moral standpoint I don't have much of a problem with it.
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thecrzyguy : Let's plays on youtube are not illegal. Look up Day One Gary's Incident with TotalBscuit. He does a rather informative rant mostly about a specific company, but a lot about the industry in general and what can happen in critique on youtube.
thecrzyguy : Let's plays on youtube are not illegal. Look up Day One Gary's Incident with TotalBscuit. He does a rather informative rant mostly about a specific company, but a lot about the industry in general and what can happen in critique on youtube.
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tiropat : Thanks, I'll be sure to do that. (I didn't say that Let's Plays on Youtube are illegal )
tiropat : Thanks, I'll be sure to do that. (I didn't say that Let's Plays on Youtube are illegal )
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Even though I feel like actors and musicians get way to much money I do have to say that online piracy is wrong because it's a form of stealing and being a thief is not cool.
Even though I feel like actors and musicians get way to much money I do have to say that online piracy is wrong because it's a form of stealing and being a thief is not cool.
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I think it's morally wrong, but I'm glad that it's possible. More so with textbooks than music and movies.

If someone truly cares to learn about a subject, it shouldn't matter how much money they have. I think of access to education as a human right.

Whatever you want to learn, you can find resources to help you on torrent sites. There doesn't seem to be any legitimate ways to access such a wealth of knowledge without spending an absurd amount of money.

There's also books that get banned because they conflict with the prevailing ideologies (religion/leader/politics) of a country. Piracy allows for these books can be found online, and by spreading information, they make it harder for leaders to repress their people intellectually.

So while I find it wrong, I don't find it wholly bad.
I think it's morally wrong, but I'm glad that it's possible. More so with textbooks than music and movies.

If someone truly cares to learn about a subject, it shouldn't matter how much money they have. I think of access to education as a human right.

Whatever you want to learn, you can find resources to help you on torrent sites. There doesn't seem to be any legitimate ways to access such a wealth of knowledge without spending an absurd amount of money.

There's also books that get banned because they conflict with the prevailing ideologies (religion/leader/politics) of a country. Piracy allows for these books can be found online, and by spreading information, they make it harder for leaders to repress their people intellectually.

So while I find it wrong, I don't find it wholly bad.
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