geeogree : Do I expect it? No. But you know, I think that someone, somewhere will take the hint and eventually turn out to be an excellent poster. I was reading through David's thread about it, and I really like the idea of giving some actual incentive to make quality posts and creating a "punishment" for not-so-quality posts.

On another point I was thinking that there could be a few boards where the feature could be disabled. For instance, the New User board or the reviews board. Disliking a New User right off the bat because their grammar isn't perfect or whatever could run more than a few users off. On the other hand, liking their stuff could motivate them to post more, so that may or may not be moot. More importantly, though, I think the Review section should be at least looked at. We can already rate reviews, but if I give feedback on a somewhat poorly written review or even a good one that could use work and the user takes offense, they could easily retaliate. Does that bother me? Eh, only in that I'm trying to be helpful and it gets spit back in my face, but it's not something I would ask or expect David to do if the coding takes any longer than 5 minutes to mess around with.

pray75 : Wow...a little European history in your post there. (I don't know if some people will get that )

If I can like your post, I would. (sadly, the feature isn't working for me yet) People need to stop taking these features personally and do more self reflecting. If you are starting to get a lot of dislikes, chances are that you probably are not posting good stuff. I do think that it is rare that someone will get 100% likes or dislikes in their posts, for people will have different opinions about different posts. People need to focus on the general numbers instead of the specific how many likes/dislikes and use that data to evaluate yourself. I know there might be younger posters on here who may not get this idea, but knowing how to do this would show the relative maturity of the poster.

Now here comes the question. Do you like/dislike posts based on our agreement with the post or the quality of the post?

play4fun : I'm glad you like the European History. I took a class on it my freshman year of college, so almost five years ago now, but I still remember a lot from that class. It's something I might revisit again soon.

As far as your question is concerned, it's a combination of the two (you'll notice that I just liked your post). I think of it a little like Facebook, where I'll like someone's comment on my status because they say something insightful (or just downright entertaining) that adds to what I have already posted. The same is true for other people's statuses. But I can't lie, I do feel a little good when someone agrees with me on something. It's not something that I will abuse per say, but if your comment is good, agreeing with me is just a bonus.

play4fun :

pray75:

SuperCrash64:

or anyone else in this forum: I don't seem to have this like/dislike button yet either. Am I doing something wrong? Others are clicking "like" to my posts, but I can't click back because I can't find it anywhere on my screen--please help! Thanks!

well no one ever uses the like/dislike option thing anyway.

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kramer4077 :

pray75 :  
SuperCrash64 :  

your summons failed.

Also, bottom left corner of your post is where like/dislike is.

bobq : Thanks for your help, but I don't have the like or dislike buttons in the bottom left corner of any posts anywhere.  Am I the only one who doesn't have it?  Does anyone know who can fix that for me?
Thanks, I appreciate the help!

I really don't see why people are complaining. People can abuse ANY type of system whether it be positive or negative. Don't blame the system, blame the people for misusing it.

Honestly though in my experience on this site, if you make it a point to make clear well thought out posts, you won't have to worry about people needlessly down rating you. Unless you happen to have a lot of enemies on the site that want to troll you...and if that's the case, you should probably look into what you are doing to make those users so angry at you.

If you wanna see an example of  pointless 'dislikes', then just look at the opening post by bobq. All he did was ask a question about how people feel about this function and somehow it has 2 'dislikes'. Why would you dislike an unbiased question? If you don't like the topic, you're in the wrong thread.

TheFadedWarrior : You don't know about it but you don't like it. Okay, that's reasonable. One small positive thing is that you get Viz and CP for the actions.


Divine Aurora : You almost have 10 TP, what are you worried about? You're a good and trusted user and you're gonna have a high Post Rating sooner or later, mark my words. If someone had a -26 PR, then that person is doing it wrong; possibly offending people. And since you say they are now perma banned, those -26 seem to make sense.


GamingMonkey : The person getting a positive rating gets awarded, yes, but so does the person doing the rating. Everyone wins! And if the post gets 'disliked', you don't lose Viz or CP so it's not a big deal.


PixelBrick : Oh, son, you're disappointing me. I usually like your posts. The alternative account theory could be said about rating your own videos, screenshots, reviews, etc. If I was making multiple accounts to try to get Viz or CP, I'd worry less on Post Ratings and more on those actions that payout more, ya know. And, come on, Youtube didn't invent the idea of liking and disliking things.


pray75 : I'm not sure if you noticed but you're positive PR for play4fun disappeared. This happened to me, too. Someone 'liked' one of my posts and now it's gone. It's still have the notification. It was my only 'like'. I think this happened due to the updates that are still going on daily but I could be wrong.

Anyway, I pretty much agree with you 100%. Especially about the Game Reviews not having the option. The reason being that I wrote a review and someone replied to the thread saying they liked it and they gave a couple tips for improvement; nothing wrong with that. But someone else 'disliked' their post and I thought that was odd and unnecessary. But alas, just like mine and yours, the Rating disappeared so no harm no foul.


We all need to remember that if people are 'trolling' and misusing the ability by only "disliking" posts and whatnot, then the flaw doesn't lie with the system; it lies with the people doing so. In a few months, when enough time goes by for the stats to build, our PR will reflect us more accurately; I'm sure of it. You know why? Because I have faith! Faith in all of us!!!

slimzimkin : Whenever I see a post that has a pointless dislike, and it's happened at least 2 times in my 30 days of being on here, I feel that it is my duty to cancel it out just like this...ALL HE DID WAS ASK A QUESTION!

TheFadedWarrior : 5 dislikes?...sorry, I meant to summon PixelBrick.

Well curiosity killed the cat and like/dislike option on posting killed the opinionated and honest posting on the board (by honest posting I mean speaking/posting something others might disagree with and saying/posting your true opinion on a topic). Seriously I posted a minor suggestion about maybe making it so that to keep trusted status trusted members like staff should have a CP quota they would have to meet each month and well it got disliked,this tells me 1.) NO posting suggestions and 2.) NO posting personal, your "real" feelings towards a topic because your post will be down rated do to difference in opinions.

My thoughts on this feature...trash it, it's bias and unnecessary, it doesn't prove you make good or bad posts, it proves rather if others like what you have to say or not on a topic and if they don't like what you have to say...DOWN RATE. And this feature does make me think twice about posting.....MY PERSONAL OPINION ON TOPICS IN THREADS.

Divine Aurora :

3.) You may also disregard the first two and just don't think about the post ratings too much.

There will be times when people won't agree with you, and if you post, you must also accept the fact that not everyone will like what you've said. I don't see anything wrong with people disliking your suggestion if they don't really like it. They dislike your opinion, that's all, and you can't really do anything about it.

Same with trust points, people should stop caring about it too much to the point that it hurts their feelings just to have 1 point taken away from them.

---"It doesn't prove you make good or bad posts"

I have to agree with that though.

Divine Aurora : I am going to be blunt. This post is a prime example that you are taking this too personally. The example that you are referring to is in the Underground forum where only trusted members can post. Seeing people downrate your post automatically made you assume that people don't want you to post suggestions or personal opinions, when you neglected another possibility that people downrated your post: that maybe, just maybe, your suggestion was not a good suggestion. If you look at the thread itself, only 1 trusted member though it might be a good idea, while the rest posted that they disagree with you. The people who posted are considered quite respectable members on the site itself, so it's not that they are trying to troll you. It just is that your suggestion is not that great in their opinion. I'll be forward to you as well, that this suggestion is not reasonable because the CP system is mainly for monitoring work on the RGR, not the forum. You have to consider the idea that maybe they are right in downrating if they think that is the easier way to show they don't think the suggestion is reasonable. Some people might actually downrate and post the reason after that. This is where the benefit of the rating system can be. If the majority do it right, it does show whether a post is a good post or a bad post.

Divine Aurora :
I think you have a good point.
But I would rather revise the idea or rating.

Take the Completionist's ideas of rating games for example. "Look at it", "play it", "finish it", or what ever he comes up with. No numbers involved.

Popularity is always an issue. Because of that I refuse to use any of the rating or trust point systems in this place.

Results? I have status that is in the negative.
It works in my favour by having experience in "high school" with this. In a manner I get to revisit that feeling and laugh at how easily I can go back to being a kid again. It feels great at times.

BUT..

For the majority in here?
It may not be a positive item to have. This is a recreation site. Why bring in something like "watch what you say" to the point of restraining everything? We are not all professional Journalists or have degrees in mastering the typed English Language or Debate or other things that have no need in an Off Duty Setting.

You may have better luck trying to expand on the need for people to recognize that this is not a Board Room.
Otherwise.
It could become A Bore Room.
Nothing wrong with towing the line of respect with a score card.
But.
When does it become a problem? When is it too much of an issue?
I think Standard Park or Playground rules should suffice in a recreation site.
Though that is just my opinion.
Good Luck.
Peace.

play4fun : sorry if my word choice came off as me taking it personally but I was using that situation as a example to get my overall point across , although I could have used what iN008 said earlier on in this thread as a example when he (iN008) gave his honest feedback on a review and it was disliked or where it was pointed out bobq the creator of this thread asked a question and it was disliked. And what I was really getting at was some what a reasoning of why I don't like the feature. Furthermore I stand by my opinion this feature just killed honest posting, it makes me not want to post my honest opinion and feedback on topics in threads, in a way it makes me want to post untruthfully and lie in posts asking my opinion on something to solely avoid a post down rate.                                                                                                                                                     orionfoxgibson: at least someone kind of understood what I was getting at and it surprises me you have negative trust points and post ratings because you provide valid reasoning behind what you say in posts ( from the posts I've seen you make so far).

Divine Aurora : It was not your word choice. I was saying that the reaction to your example shows that you are taking it too personally. The people who downrate or comment on your suggestion are legitimately saying that your idea was not a good idea. That is a fair use of the rating system. It is not an attack and you need to take it that way and move on from it. Remember that what happened before this was that people would use trust points to define if someone is posting good or bad posts, which the two may not be related at all. Separating the two is a good thing for those who want to distinguish the two. It might be that if someone continually makes bad posts, you would give them a negative trust point for being consistently bad and not improving. Besides, being highly trusted doesn't mean that you will never have bad posts or suggestions here and there.

If someone has very negative post ratings, the person needs to rethink about their postings (are you doing it badly? Is my tone disrespectful? Am I not thinking it through before posting something? is my opinion a bad opinion or are people just disagreeing with me) This is exactly what the like/dislike system is for: if everyone uses it, it shows if someone is posting a good post or a bad post. Also keep in mind that some of us still can't rate for some reason. Once that is resolved and everyone is using this feature actively, it will show fair results. Remember that David placed a limitation on the like/dislike option based on rank, so people can't just go dislike everything that you do. At the same time, if there is a bad post, the majority will do the right thing and downrate it.

Honest posting is your own decision after receiving positive and negative feedback. It's going to happen, whether if it is through ratings, trust points, or even a reply on a post. It won't affect your honest posting unless you react badly to feedback. Many of us post honestly on here, and yet don't get downrated all the way. They have the same possibility of someone abusing the system as much as you do, but they still can get positives. You might want to take a look at those with high trust points and high post ratings. What can you learn from them? Why are they so trusted? Are they really trusted because their friends put them that way, or are they really showing an exemplary example?

You need to think about yourself more than other people. If a large amount of people downrated you on something that is not considered controversial, you need to seriously think about your posting, that maybe, just maybe, you actually made a bad post, whether if it is your tone or your suggestion, and if you don't improve, the result will happen again.

I just don't see much use to the system is all. If I like a page on Vizzed I would rather bookmark it, but posts, well, they can sometimes be good, but again, I just don't see much use of it. I only realized it was established today.

Here is my new out look on the the like/dislike post rating feature. First off I don't feel as though it should show on your profile, but if it is shown on your profile it shouldn't just show your overall post rating, I think it should be shown it should be divided, divided into two segments positive and negative post ratings. Second off I feel as though this feature doesn't prove you make good or bad quality posts, it proves rather if people like what you have to say or not with that said I hope this feature doesn't get used as a reference to staff or mod hiring.