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Have you ever heard anyone ask you "Oh you are a Christian? The Bible says you are not suppose to eat pork or shellfish. Don't you love those foods? For someone who believes in the Bible, you are cherry picking what verse that you follow. Such a hypocrite."

This is sooo centuries ago...

Just the other day, I saw someone writing this question again, and I was thinking "Come on...at least make an effort to look up the answer instead of foolishly post something like that with confidence."

I hear this objection or variations of this argument SO MANY TIMES and I've answer this to different people so many times that it's been engraved in my mind. I'm sorry to say this, but those who continue to use not just this argument but arguments about Old Testament laws either don't have a good understanding of the Bible and theology as a whole, or are really not listening to people who have answered it. I just don't know if you are just lazy, ignorant, or just straight up refusing to listen to any reason.

If this is your first time hearing this objection or answer towards this objection, fine, you are off the hook, but I find it very rare for people to not hear this before considering that a lot people use this as their go-to argument against Christianity. Come on...at least do a little research. It's that simple.

Before I answer this objection, I would like to ask anyone (Christian or not) who understands this to please answer this objection yourself. Please give as much detail or scriptural evidence as you can. Those who still find this objection to make sense, pay attention to this thread, and I want to hear from you on why would you think this is even a good question anymore.
Have you ever heard anyone ask you "Oh you are a Christian? The Bible says you are not suppose to eat pork or shellfish. Don't you love those foods? For someone who believes in the Bible, you are cherry picking what verse that you follow. Such a hypocrite."

This is sooo centuries ago...

Just the other day, I saw someone writing this question again, and I was thinking "Come on...at least make an effort to look up the answer instead of foolishly post something like that with confidence."

I hear this objection or variations of this argument SO MANY TIMES and I've answer this to different people so many times that it's been engraved in my mind. I'm sorry to say this, but those who continue to use not just this argument but arguments about Old Testament laws either don't have a good understanding of the Bible and theology as a whole, or are really not listening to people who have answered it. I just don't know if you are just lazy, ignorant, or just straight up refusing to listen to any reason.

If this is your first time hearing this objection or answer towards this objection, fine, you are off the hook, but I find it very rare for people to not hear this before considering that a lot people use this as their go-to argument against Christianity. Come on...at least do a little research. It's that simple.

Before I answer this objection, I would like to ask anyone (Christian or not) who understands this to please answer this objection yourself. Please give as much detail or scriptural evidence as you can. Those who still find this objection to make sense, pay attention to this thread, and I want to hear from you on why would you think this is even a good question anymore.
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I don't eat meat anyway but I pick cherries so to speak in many other things as well does anyone else who thinks of him or herself as a Christian.

I don't sacrifice bulls, pigeons, stone people, hate my mother and father (though I do hate my own life) to be the disciple of Christ and I am not afraid of a woman on her period and so on and so on...
I don't eat meat anyway but I pick cherries so to speak in many other things as well does anyone else who thinks of him or herself as a Christian.

I don't sacrifice bulls, pigeons, stone people, hate my mother and father (though I do hate my own life) to be the disciple of Christ and I am not afraid of a woman on her period and so on and so on...
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All this reading of pork, shrimp and cherries just before lunch time..man! Seriously hungry right now

I'm not going to go into the whole history of things and where it came from and so on and so forth. I'll leave that to the OP I'll start by simply saying that the believer in Jesus Christ is not obligated to follow the ceremonial law of the Old Testament. This has been done away with by the death of Christ. Here are a few scriptural references to back that up: Galatians 5:4; Colossians 2:14-15; Ephesians 2:15 and this one refers to food: Colossians 2:16-17


I think a good answer to this objection is given in 1 Corinthians 8:1-13 and 1 Corinthians 10:23-33. I will quote both sections here if I may, because I think these verses are quite clear and self explanatory. Although every verse or part of it is relevant, I will underline the ones that stand out. May I kindly ask not just to skim over this scripture. Please read this with intent. As I've already mentioned, this makes it very clear. If it doesn't I will gladly do my best to explain.

1 Corinthians 8:1-13

"Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. But whoever loves God is known by God. So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” For even if there are so-called gods,whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords" ), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do. Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall."


1 Corinthians 10:23-33

“I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. No one should seek their own good, but the good of others. Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.” If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for? So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God—even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.


The apostle Paul was writing this to the church in Corinth at the time, but it wasn't just for them of course. It was meant for all Christians.
I know the above scriptures specifically refers to food offered to idols, but it applies to all food that were seen in the Old Testament as being "defiled". We as Christians have the liberty to eat anything and do anything as long as we do it with thankful hearts towards God and as long as it brings glory to Him.
All this reading of pork, shrimp and cherries just before lunch time..man! Seriously hungry right now

I'm not going to go into the whole history of things and where it came from and so on and so forth. I'll leave that to the OP I'll start by simply saying that the believer in Jesus Christ is not obligated to follow the ceremonial law of the Old Testament. This has been done away with by the death of Christ. Here are a few scriptural references to back that up: Galatians 5:4; Colossians 2:14-15; Ephesians 2:15 and this one refers to food: Colossians 2:16-17


I think a good answer to this objection is given in 1 Corinthians 8:1-13 and 1 Corinthians 10:23-33. I will quote both sections here if I may, because I think these verses are quite clear and self explanatory. Although every verse or part of it is relevant, I will underline the ones that stand out. May I kindly ask not just to skim over this scripture. Please read this with intent. As I've already mentioned, this makes it very clear. If it doesn't I will gladly do my best to explain.

1 Corinthians 8:1-13

"Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. But whoever loves God is known by God. So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” For even if there are so-called gods,whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords" ), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do. Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall."


1 Corinthians 10:23-33

“I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. No one should seek their own good, but the good of others. Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.” If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for? So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God—even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.


The apostle Paul was writing this to the church in Corinth at the time, but it wasn't just for them of course. It was meant for all Christians.
I know the above scriptures specifically refers to food offered to idols, but it applies to all food that were seen in the Old Testament as being "defiled". We as Christians have the liberty to eat anything and do anything as long as we do it with thankful hearts towards God and as long as it brings glory to Him.
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Depends.
I feel if you use parts of the old testament intermittent with the new testament you are cherrypicking, if you disregard the old testament and only follow the new, you arent cherry picking (on that particular point anyway).
Depends.
I feel if you use parts of the old testament intermittent with the new testament you are cherrypicking, if you disregard the old testament and only follow the new, you arent cherry picking (on that particular point anyway).
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thenumberone :

I Christianity, we follow the old testament laws, unless something changed or was altered in the new testament.

ie: We don't sacrifice animals for forgiviness of our sins.


     On topic part of this post:

I just don't eat what isn't allowed in the old testament, although I understand that
there appear to be verses that allow us to eat other things, quite frankly, I'm not that studied in this area, so 
to avoid sinning, I just follow the simple instructions. I would like to read this more in depth some time however.
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I Christianity, we follow the old testament laws, unless something changed or was altered in the new testament.

ie: We don't sacrifice animals for forgiviness of our sins.


     On topic part of this post:

I just don't eat what isn't allowed in the old testament, although I understand that
there appear to be verses that allow us to eat other things, quite frankly, I'm not that studied in this area, so 
to avoid sinning, I just follow the simple instructions. I would like to read this more in depth some time however.
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Sword legion :
and yet you dont live as hermits. there was no point where jesus said to stop living a simple life.
the new testament is (supposedly) gods new commands.
so I cant see the justification of cherrypicking through the old
Sword legion :
and yet you dont live as hermits. there was no point where jesus said to stop living a simple life.
the new testament is (supposedly) gods new commands.
so I cant see the justification of cherrypicking through the old
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themumberone:

Who says that I don't live as a hermit? I live ten miles out from society, and almost never go out to town.

I don't think you quite get what that means, as I always say if I had a dime every time some nonchristian thought that they new
about the important details of the Bible.

It's not (neccesarily cherry picking. 

Before you can decide on what God want us to do you have to read most all of the verses concerning the matter.

But now the subject is changing and getting a little spammy.


themumberone:

Who says that I don't live as a hermit? I live ten miles out from society, and almost never go out to town.

I don't think you quite get what that means, as I always say if I had a dime every time some nonchristian thought that they new
about the important details of the Bible.

It's not (neccesarily cherry picking. 

Before you can decide on what God want us to do you have to read most all of the verses concerning the matter.

But now the subject is changing and getting a little spammy.


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I can be a Christian and eat meat/shrimp. God might not like it, but I can't be too picky. I do not believe in not eating certain foods.
I can be a Christian and eat meat/shrimp. God might not like it, but I can't be too picky. I do not believe in not eating certain foods.
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Cloe : How is this even a Biblical response when you say "God might not like it, but I can't be too picky" If God doesn't like it, then as a Christian, shouldn't you not like it either or pursue not liking it? Since Christian means Christ Follower?
Cloe : How is this even a Biblical response when you say "God might not like it, but I can't be too picky" If God doesn't like it, then as a Christian, shouldn't you not like it either or pursue not liking it? Since Christian means Christ Follower?
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play4fun : It isn't a biblical thing to say. I just do not believe it is a big deal. I don't think God is going to send me to hell because I am eating a certain kind of meat. If that is the case, 90% (?) of the world will be in hell. It certainly doesn't mean I'm not a Christian. My church and no other Christians I know have ever talked about this topic. Shouldn't you be worrying about something more important? Like, oh I don't know, abortion, killing people, drugs, sex before marriage etc.? Oh, and Christians aren't perfect. Some of them try to be, but they are just like everyone else. They will sin until the day they die.

play4fun : It isn't a biblical thing to say. I just do not believe it is a big deal. I don't think God is going to send me to hell because I am eating a certain kind of meat. If that is the case, 90% (?) of the world will be in hell. It certainly doesn't mean I'm not a Christian. My church and no other Christians I know have ever talked about this topic. Shouldn't you be worrying about something more important? Like, oh I don't know, abortion, killing people, drugs, sex before marriage etc.? Oh, and Christians aren't perfect. Some of them try to be, but they are just like everyone else. They will sin until the day they die.
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Cloe : If it is a sin, it is important. If doing something is a sin, it is of the same seriousness compared to any other sin, like abortion, murder, addiction, and sexual immorality. Because being a Christian is to follow Christ and to reject sin. A Christian does not nonchalantly say "oh, it's a sin? It doesn't matter to me. I'll still do it." Christians are not perfect because they are still in their corrupt bodies, but they will not say "it doesn't matter to sin". They will struggle through it.

I said that it was not a biblical response because you said "God might not like it, but I can't be too picky" Now, I'm here to tell you that it is NOT a sin to eat meat or shrimp and the whole point of this thread is for people who do know why it is not a sin to explain it. I think the reason your church might not talk about it is because it is a rather obvious reason in the Bible, so maybe you can ask your pastor about that. But I'm a little concerned when you said that you would still do it even if God finds it wrong.
Cloe : If it is a sin, it is important. If doing something is a sin, it is of the same seriousness compared to any other sin, like abortion, murder, addiction, and sexual immorality. Because being a Christian is to follow Christ and to reject sin. A Christian does not nonchalantly say "oh, it's a sin? It doesn't matter to me. I'll still do it." Christians are not perfect because they are still in their corrupt bodies, but they will not say "it doesn't matter to sin". They will struggle through it.

I said that it was not a biblical response because you said "God might not like it, but I can't be too picky" Now, I'm here to tell you that it is NOT a sin to eat meat or shrimp and the whole point of this thread is for people who do know why it is not a sin to explain it. I think the reason your church might not talk about it is because it is a rather obvious reason in the Bible, so maybe you can ask your pastor about that. But I'm a little concerned when you said that you would still do it even if God finds it wrong.
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play4fun : How did I know you were going to say all sins are equally important? (: I find this true as well. I was just being a smart aleck. I am not saying that it is okay to sin and I never said I would still do it even if it was wrong. Sometimes I get angry with God and I "rebel". I am still learning. Yes, Christians can try their very best not to sin and sometimes they will succeed, but I was just saying they aren't perfect because a lot of people tend to think that. I know some people who think "Oh, you lied to me. Well your not a Christian." Which is not the case. And I didn't know that eating certain meat is not a sin. How did you find this out? I was just about to ask you where in the Bible it says eating shrimp is a sin. I only read the heading (guilty). Sorry about that. I just read your very first post like I was supposed to. <.<
play4fun : How did I know you were going to say all sins are equally important? (: I find this true as well. I was just being a smart aleck. I am not saying that it is okay to sin and I never said I would still do it even if it was wrong. Sometimes I get angry with God and I "rebel". I am still learning. Yes, Christians can try their very best not to sin and sometimes they will succeed, but I was just saying they aren't perfect because a lot of people tend to think that. I know some people who think "Oh, you lied to me. Well your not a Christian." Which is not the case. And I didn't know that eating certain meat is not a sin. How did you find this out? I was just about to ask you where in the Bible it says eating shrimp is a sin. I only read the heading (guilty). Sorry about that. I just read your very first post like I was supposed to. <.<
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Gen 9:3 "Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."  
Mat 15:11 "What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them."The Mosaic law prohibited Jews from eating certain things, but the coming of Christ brought a New Covenant and during his earthly ministry he declared all foods acceptable.
Gen 9:3 "Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."  
Mat 15:11 "What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them."The Mosaic law prohibited Jews from eating certain things, but the coming of Christ brought a New Covenant and during his earthly ministry he declared all foods acceptable.
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Well in terms of this argument. What the people who ask this question don't realize is that, along with lots of other things such as not putting new cloth onto old cloth and all that was part of Jewish Law. Not all of that is relevant to Christians today. Acts 10:9-16 talks about this a bit. Anyways, even though we can eat pork and shrimp doesn't mean its the best thing for you though.
Well in terms of this argument. What the people who ask this question don't realize is that, along with lots of other things such as not putting new cloth onto old cloth and all that was part of Jewish Law. Not all of that is relevant to Christians today. Acts 10:9-16 talks about this a bit. Anyways, even though we can eat pork and shrimp doesn't mean its the best thing for you though.
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Ever heard the term, "Religion is like Chex Mix. You just pick what you like and go with it." I like some parts of the bible, but not parts stating things like not eating shellfish/bacon/shrimp (Because I absolutely love those foods.).
Ever heard the term, "Religion is like Chex Mix. You just pick what you like and go with it." I like some parts of the bible, but not parts stating things like not eating shellfish/bacon/shrimp (Because I absolutely love those foods.).
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BluemageKyle : Except if the Bible is God's Word, you can't just go around cherry picking verses for your own pleasure. Part about truth is that it doesn't always feel good or comfortable and those who love truth understand this and lives in it. There is a good reason as to why Christians are free from those laws, but it's by the context of what the Bible says later on, and not by cherry picking, which is something that no one should do in terms of the Bible.
BluemageKyle : Except if the Bible is God's Word, you can't just go around cherry picking verses for your own pleasure. Part about truth is that it doesn't always feel good or comfortable and those who love truth understand this and lives in it. There is a good reason as to why Christians are free from those laws, but it's by the context of what the Bible says later on, and not by cherry picking, which is something that no one should do in terms of the Bible.
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I would like to add to what play4fun stated above by referencing some 
scripture.  Deuteronomy 4:2 (NIV) states, "Do not add to what I
command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of
the LORD your God that I give you."  In order to emphasize the danger
in ignoring this command, allow me to quote another verse.
Revelation 22:18-19 (NIV) states, "I warn everyone who hears the
words of the prophecy of this book:  If anyone adds anything to them,
God will add to him the plagues described in this book.  And
if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God
will take away from him his share in the tree of life and the
holy city, which are described in this book."  These verses
only refer to the book of Revelation, but the point remains:
Do not add or take away from the Word of God.  Also see
Proverbs 30:5-6 and Galatians 3:15.

As far as the original question posted by play4fun, I could not
have stated it better than SoL@R
I would like to add to what play4fun stated above by referencing some 
scripture.  Deuteronomy 4:2 (NIV) states, "Do not add to what I
command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of
the LORD your God that I give you."  In order to emphasize the danger
in ignoring this command, allow me to quote another verse.
Revelation 22:18-19 (NIV) states, "I warn everyone who hears the
words of the prophecy of this book:  If anyone adds anything to them,
God will add to him the plagues described in this book.  And
if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God
will take away from him his share in the tree of life and the
holy city, which are described in this book."  These verses
only refer to the book of Revelation, but the point remains:
Do not add or take away from the Word of God.  Also see
Proverbs 30:5-6 and Galatians 3:15.

As far as the original question posted by play4fun, I could not
have stated it better than SoL@R
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(edited by alr256 on 11-14-13 12:10 PM)    

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