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Bible or Science?

 
Which one do you believe more?
Bible
 
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A mix of both theories.
 
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Bible vs science the winner is bible and science!!
Bible vs science the winner is bible and science!!
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Why both? Please explain.
Why both? Please explain.
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both because if i choose science the church will get angry to me and if i choose bible the scientist will get angry to me!!
both because if i choose science the church will get angry to me and if i choose bible the scientist will get angry to me!!
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I choose the bible and science. Some of the thing in the
Bible make sense, but the Big Bang theory is something I
have always believed in. From nothing to everything in a mere
matter of minutes.





















I choose the bible and science. Some of the thing in the
Bible make sense, but the Big Bang theory is something I
have always believed in. From nothing to everything in a mere
matter of minutes.





















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I was raised going to church for all of my childhood and well into adulthood. Sometimes I went to the 45-minute sessions, sometimes we'd be at one for 3 hours. I learned a lot about the Bible and God. Even so, over the years it was science that had me grasp a true understanding of everything. I felt it explains a lot more than religion. And it has. One day after church several years I thought of something- there are things humans have found on their own that the Bible, or any other religious book never talks about. One huge thing came to mind: dinosaurs. Why doesn't the Bible talk about giant lizard beasts that once roamed the land? I thought about it, and the more I did the less religion seemed to make sense. Things got even more interesting when I got into astronomy. God created the heavens. How? For what purpose? Why doesn't the Bible say? Does He not want us to know? Did he feel it wasn't important to tell us about galaxies and the possibility of other life in them? It's seemed to me that the Bible was written by people with little understanding of the world, or outside of it. It was mainly a record of event that happened back then. The only way they could explain strange phenomenon was through divinity. And what about other religions? Why did they have different deities? What makes "our" God real and "theirs" not? Who are Christians, Muslims, ancient Greeks and Romans, Buddhists or Jehovah's Witnesses to say that their religion is the correct one? Which one is? Who's God is real? How can you prove it? This is a reason I have such a hard time believing in God or religion. I need proof. Any proof. Specifically, a completely noticeable intervention from a higher "person". I can't put my faith into something that isn't here. Science is what does that for me. Science proves things exist, or don't.

Because I've went to church for so much of my life I can right now neither completely deny nor believe in the existence of God, or some other higher being for that matter. One thing that has piqued my curiosity is a little paradox- through science people have found that inside the human brain is a part that is specifically for the purpose of believing in a higher being, or a god. This is either most likely why people have believed in higher beings for centuries, or evolved from centuries of humans believing in higher beings. I can't say which one it is for sure without researching, which sadly I doubt I'll find much about. But then again, humans have evolved with newer traits. Such as being taller. Back in the ancient England people were shorter on average then Britain people are now. I can't explain why, only guessing that it was through mating with taller people from elsewhere or change in a nation's diet habits, but it's the way they are now. And evolution is another thing. I won't get into that right now. But you gotta wonder: we do have proof of it.

To StaticTorch: I can't say I believe in souls either. Questions raise in my mind about them. What is the energy from us that creates our "souls"? Where does it come from when we die and what powers it? When our bodies die they decompose. Our organs eventually break down into the molecules that formed them and even further down into atoms. These atoms retain the energies and states they were in when part of a collective to create a living "object". The energy within atoms can't simply "come off", and it takes a enormous amount of energy just to rip apart atoms themselves. You know this from learning about atom smashers. The atoms in our bodies fly off elsewhere after being released. Either as a part of a foul vapor from decomposing organisms or part of bone structures, depending where they were to begin with. To say that the energy from these atoms creates a soul would mean the atoms were to form back together. Since you can't take the energy from you once again have a collection of mass, or a physical object. Last time I checked there was evidence of a "physical soul". Even if there was such a thing as a soul, is it limited to humans and animals? What about plants? Do they have souls, too? All living things are made up of the same components (mainly being carbon). To say that people have souls would have to mean plants have souls. Do you think plants do? My guess is that most members reading this would say "no". Well... why not? Who is to say only conscious, "alive" beings have souls? Because we have brains? What makes having a "brain" qualified to also have a "soul"? I find the topic of souls to be contradicting, and this is another reason I really don't believe in them.
I have also wondered about "souls" just like everybody else and that is, for the most part, what I came up with over time.

I didn't go into great detail about my reasoning, but this is most of why I believe in science more than religion.
I was raised going to church for all of my childhood and well into adulthood. Sometimes I went to the 45-minute sessions, sometimes we'd be at one for 3 hours. I learned a lot about the Bible and God. Even so, over the years it was science that had me grasp a true understanding of everything. I felt it explains a lot more than religion. And it has. One day after church several years I thought of something- there are things humans have found on their own that the Bible, or any other religious book never talks about. One huge thing came to mind: dinosaurs. Why doesn't the Bible talk about giant lizard beasts that once roamed the land? I thought about it, and the more I did the less religion seemed to make sense. Things got even more interesting when I got into astronomy. God created the heavens. How? For what purpose? Why doesn't the Bible say? Does He not want us to know? Did he feel it wasn't important to tell us about galaxies and the possibility of other life in them? It's seemed to me that the Bible was written by people with little understanding of the world, or outside of it. It was mainly a record of event that happened back then. The only way they could explain strange phenomenon was through divinity. And what about other religions? Why did they have different deities? What makes "our" God real and "theirs" not? Who are Christians, Muslims, ancient Greeks and Romans, Buddhists or Jehovah's Witnesses to say that their religion is the correct one? Which one is? Who's God is real? How can you prove it? This is a reason I have such a hard time believing in God or religion. I need proof. Any proof. Specifically, a completely noticeable intervention from a higher "person". I can't put my faith into something that isn't here. Science is what does that for me. Science proves things exist, or don't.

Because I've went to church for so much of my life I can right now neither completely deny nor believe in the existence of God, or some other higher being for that matter. One thing that has piqued my curiosity is a little paradox- through science people have found that inside the human brain is a part that is specifically for the purpose of believing in a higher being, or a god. This is either most likely why people have believed in higher beings for centuries, or evolved from centuries of humans believing in higher beings. I can't say which one it is for sure without researching, which sadly I doubt I'll find much about. But then again, humans have evolved with newer traits. Such as being taller. Back in the ancient England people were shorter on average then Britain people are now. I can't explain why, only guessing that it was through mating with taller people from elsewhere or change in a nation's diet habits, but it's the way they are now. And evolution is another thing. I won't get into that right now. But you gotta wonder: we do have proof of it.

To StaticTorch: I can't say I believe in souls either. Questions raise in my mind about them. What is the energy from us that creates our "souls"? Where does it come from when we die and what powers it? When our bodies die they decompose. Our organs eventually break down into the molecules that formed them and even further down into atoms. These atoms retain the energies and states they were in when part of a collective to create a living "object". The energy within atoms can't simply "come off", and it takes a enormous amount of energy just to rip apart atoms themselves. You know this from learning about atom smashers. The atoms in our bodies fly off elsewhere after being released. Either as a part of a foul vapor from decomposing organisms or part of bone structures, depending where they were to begin with. To say that the energy from these atoms creates a soul would mean the atoms were to form back together. Since you can't take the energy from you once again have a collection of mass, or a physical object. Last time I checked there was evidence of a "physical soul". Even if there was such a thing as a soul, is it limited to humans and animals? What about plants? Do they have souls, too? All living things are made up of the same components (mainly being carbon). To say that people have souls would have to mean plants have souls. Do you think plants do? My guess is that most members reading this would say "no". Well... why not? Who is to say only conscious, "alive" beings have souls? Because we have brains? What makes having a "brain" qualified to also have a "soul"? I find the topic of souls to be contradicting, and this is another reason I really don't believe in them.
I have also wondered about "souls" just like everybody else and that is, for the most part, what I came up with over time.

I didn't go into great detail about my reasoning, but this is most of why I believe in science more than religion.
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I went with science because i just cant believe in an invisible man who has ten things you cant do or he will send you to hell but he loves you. im not bashing religion but science makes sense. the bible may have stories that teach morals and ethics that are good but i dont think anyone can prove their is or isnt a god until they die.
I went with science because i just cant believe in an invisible man who has ten things you cant do or he will send you to hell but he loves you. im not bashing religion but science makes sense. the bible may have stories that teach morals and ethics that are good but i dont think anyone can prove their is or isnt a god until they die.
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Kinda makes me wonder if animals are on the VIP list to heaven when they die too. Can't imagine a living creature who doesn't believe in a go, or rather, unable to believe would be going to some grand place in the sky.
Kinda makes me wonder if animals are on the VIP list to heaven when they die too. Can't imagine a living creature who doesn't believe in a go, or rather, unable to believe would be going to some grand place in the sky.
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Originally posted by bejenjemin
I went with science because i just cant believe in an invisible man who has ten things you cant do or he will send you to hell but he loves you. im not bashing religion but science makes sense. the bible may have stories that teach morals and ethics that are good but i dont think anyone can prove their is or isnt a god until they die.


way to rip from George Carlin, although he's got a point
Originally posted by bejenjemin
I went with science because i just cant believe in an invisible man who has ten things you cant do or he will send you to hell but he loves you. im not bashing religion but science makes sense. the bible may have stories that teach morals and ethics that are good but i dont think anyone can prove their is or isnt a god until they die.


way to rip from George Carlin, although he's got a point
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I voted science because I've never heard any solid evidence from the religious side.

Btw why just the Bible? Why not the countless other religious texts? Seems kind of arrogant to me.
I voted science because I've never heard any solid evidence from the religious side.

Btw why just the Bible? Why not the countless other religious texts? Seems kind of arrogant to me.
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What is God?
I don't know if there was some other worldly being that influenced the development of or put the initial life forms on this planet. Even if they were actual extra terrestrial life forms (you know, aliens), would that not make them gods? Also, the definition of god can be stretched into something more metaphorical, like anything that caused us to spring into life, such as the primordial goop puddle where the first things we would call life appeared. Or perhaps god is the big bang, which is where supposedly everything in existence came from (but more on that in another thread).

The importance of morals.
Morals are the rules we abide by so that we can have a functioning society. My theory suggests that some religions, or at least parts of them, were devised entirely for the purpose of convincing people to follow a certain set of rules (fear of hell/promise of heaven and such). Additionally, the laws of various regions are based upon these religious guidelines. The laws of the United States are based upon Christian morals. Similarly, the laws of Israel are based upon Jewish morals and the laws of pretty much everyone else in the middle east is based upon Islamic morals. Regardless of weather or not the stories in the religious scripts are true, this was important in the development of (virtually) all societies.

Basically, I don't know how true the stories are, but their impact has been no less important.
What is God?
I don't know if there was some other worldly being that influenced the development of or put the initial life forms on this planet. Even if they were actual extra terrestrial life forms (you know, aliens), would that not make them gods? Also, the definition of god can be stretched into something more metaphorical, like anything that caused us to spring into life, such as the primordial goop puddle where the first things we would call life appeared. Or perhaps god is the big bang, which is where supposedly everything in existence came from (but more on that in another thread).

The importance of morals.
Morals are the rules we abide by so that we can have a functioning society. My theory suggests that some religions, or at least parts of them, were devised entirely for the purpose of convincing people to follow a certain set of rules (fear of hell/promise of heaven and such). Additionally, the laws of various regions are based upon these religious guidelines. The laws of the United States are based upon Christian morals. Similarly, the laws of Israel are based upon Jewish morals and the laws of pretty much everyone else in the middle east is based upon Islamic morals. Regardless of weather or not the stories in the religious scripts are true, this was important in the development of (virtually) all societies.

Basically, I don't know how true the stories are, but their impact has been no less important.
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