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Google translate dosent really work well in any language, let alone in word of god....

So in your church did they mean Jesus or Joshua? And did they say Yeshua or Yehoshuah?

Anyway. Neither of them is God, no matter how important figures they are in the bible.
Google translate dosent really work well in any language, let alone in word of god....

So in your church did they mean Jesus or Joshua? And did they say Yeshua or Yehoshuah?

Anyway. Neither of them is God, no matter how important figures they are in the bible.
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Brigand : Yeshua is basically the simplified version of Yehoshuah in Hebrew and is what Jesus is called as a name.

And Jesus claimed to be the one only God. Son of God is the title given to the Messiah and represents God as a man.
Brigand : Yeshua is basically the simplified version of Yehoshuah in Hebrew and is what Jesus is called as a name.

And Jesus claimed to be the one only God. Son of God is the title given to the Messiah and represents God as a man.
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"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

You shall have no other gods before me."

Well okay, I guess you could interpert this that there are other gods than him, not just as good as he. I just always thought it meant that there simply are not other gods.

And as for Jesus I cant remember him saying he was the only god (there was his dad, right). Just that "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."
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"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

You shall have no other gods before me."

Well okay, I guess you could interpert this that there are other gods than him, not just as good as he. I just always thought it meant that there simply are not other gods.

And as for Jesus I cant remember him saying he was the only god (there was his dad, right). Just that "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."
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Brigand : No, you're right. That makes an indirect connection that there is no other gods and that all other "gods" are idols. But what I'm saying is that Jesus is the same God of the Old Testament and He has claimed to be that.

I actually made a video as part of my series about Jesus claiming to be God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNLc2D2JnKY
Brigand : No, you're right. That makes an indirect connection that there is no other gods and that all other "gods" are idols. But what I'm saying is that Jesus is the same God of the Old Testament and He has claimed to be that.

I actually made a video as part of my series about Jesus claiming to be God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNLc2D2JnKY
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Well literally the name of GOD is god which evolved from the Hebrew letter Yod - which is representative of the divine spark because it is used in all other letters and letters make words ct

meanwhile God himself uses various names or titles to represent what he is manifesting and then there are all the words humans ascribe to his name Jehovah, Adoni Allah etc

so God's name depends on what point of view you look at GOD from


There is only one but the names are many Amen
Well literally the name of GOD is god which evolved from the Hebrew letter Yod - which is representative of the divine spark because it is used in all other letters and letters make words ct

meanwhile God himself uses various names or titles to represent what he is manifesting and then there are all the words humans ascribe to his name Jehovah, Adoni Allah etc

so God's name depends on what point of view you look at GOD from


There is only one but the names are many Amen
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play4fun :

I watched your video and though I still disagree in most parts, I salute you for putting so much thought into this and making the video. I only see Jesus as part of the holy trinity, not as god per se, but as some very light interpetration you could see him as good also. But maybe in the its not even so important.
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I watched your video and though I still disagree in most parts, I salute you for putting so much thought into this and making the video. I only see Jesus as part of the holy trinity, not as god per se, but as some very light interpetration you could see him as good also. But maybe in the its not even so important.
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Brigand : That's an interesting response...to say that Jesus is not God but part of the Trinity, because they both mean the same thing. In fact most people who deny Jesus as God deny the Trinity as well.

Also, what specifically did you disagree from the points that I presented?
Brigand : That's an interesting response...to say that Jesus is not God but part of the Trinity, because they both mean the same thing. In fact most people who deny Jesus as God deny the Trinity as well.

Also, what specifically did you disagree from the points that I presented?
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play4fun : you are wrong Jesus is not god he is son of god and has the authority of god and the trinity is not god either it  is GOD the father Jesus the son and the holy spirit clearly three separate tho interlinked Beings.

fyi Jesus is the arch angel Michael tho

god bless and keep reading and thinking


play4fun : you are wrong Jesus is not god he is son of god and has the authority of god and the trinity is not god either it  is GOD the father Jesus the son and the holy spirit clearly three separate tho interlinked Beings.

fyi Jesus is the arch angel Michael tho

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RetroSteve : That is the Jehovah's Witnesses' belief and it is not biblical. Jehovah's Witnesses are nontrinitarians so they do not believe in the doctrine of the Trinity.

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is not just a mere man, but God. Just a couple of examples:

"To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen." (Romans 9:5) emphasis added

"For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority." (Colossians 2:9-10) emphasis added

Also, what scriptural basis do you have that Jesus is the Archangel Michael?
RetroSteve : That is the Jehovah's Witnesses' belief and it is not biblical. Jehovah's Witnesses are nontrinitarians so they do not believe in the doctrine of the Trinity.

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is not just a mere man, but God. Just a couple of examples:

"To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen." (Romans 9:5) emphasis added

"For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority." (Colossians 2:9-10) emphasis added

Also, what scriptural basis do you have that Jesus is the Archangel Michael?
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play4fun : --- That is the Jehovah's Witnesses' belief and it is not biblical. Jehovah's Witnesses are nontrinitarians so they do not believe in the doctrine of the Trinity.---

Nope it is just something that is obvious to me how can Jesus be GOD, when he is lost and Mary and Joseph find him he says " Did you not know I would be doing my fathers work"  referring to GOD

just before he is sacrificed he prays to GOD and says " Your will not mine "

god sent hi son to die that we should live

and there are others


--- The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is not just a mere man, but God. Just a couple of examples:---

---To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen." (Romans 9:5) emphasis added  ----
 
my translation says Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) note the comma in particular


--- "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority." (Colossians 2:9-10) emphasis added ----

yep he has the authority of GOD no argument there.

 Archangel Michael can't actually remember exactly where that is from ... but something along the lines of Michaeal is the only archangel and Jesus is referred to as being head of the angels therefore the archangel.

I do believe in the trinity God - The Father, Jesus - The Son, and the Holy spirit. and I'm pretty sure the there is no way the holy spirit could be GOD

so yes it is biblical god bless and thanks for the reply I like to be challenged Sorry I can't view your video because my flash is not working

God Bless and remember a prayer heals everything

play4fun : --- That is the Jehovah's Witnesses' belief and it is not biblical. Jehovah's Witnesses are nontrinitarians so they do not believe in the doctrine of the Trinity.---

Nope it is just something that is obvious to me how can Jesus be GOD, when he is lost and Mary and Joseph find him he says " Did you not know I would be doing my fathers work"  referring to GOD

just before he is sacrificed he prays to GOD and says " Your will not mine "

god sent hi son to die that we should live

and there are others


--- The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is not just a mere man, but God. Just a couple of examples:---

---To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen." (Romans 9:5) emphasis added  ----
 
my translation says Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) note the comma in particular


--- "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority." (Colossians 2:9-10) emphasis added ----

yep he has the authority of GOD no argument there.

 Archangel Michael can't actually remember exactly where that is from ... but something along the lines of Michaeal is the only archangel and Jesus is referred to as being head of the angels therefore the archangel.

I do believe in the trinity God - The Father, Jesus - The Son, and the Holy spirit. and I'm pretty sure the there is no way the holy spirit could be GOD

so yes it is biblical god bless and thanks for the reply I like to be challenged Sorry I can't view your video because my flash is not working

God Bless and remember a prayer heals everything
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RetroSteve : "Nope it is just something that is obvious to me."

I wasn't denying that, but it still a belief that only Jehovah's Witnesses believe.



"how can Jesus be GOD, when he is lost and Mary and Joseph find him he says " Did you not know I would be doing my fathers work" referring to GOD just before he is sacrificed he prays to GOD and says " Your will not mine "

god sent hi son to die that we should live

and there are others."

Right, I know there is. That's the thing about the doctrine of the Trinity. It is because the Bible talks about there is only one God, but then you have Jesus who is God and Holy Spirit who is God. They are all referred to as the same God in the Bible but each person have distinct roles as well as the same roles in the Bible. So for Jesus to say that He is doing the Father's work, that is true, because part of Jesus' role you might say is to lead people back to Him. His other name, Emmanuel, literally means "God with us." However, you should also know that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit all have the role in creation (The Father: 1 Corinthians 8:6; The Son: Colossians 1:16; the Holy Spirit: Psalm 104:30). So they are the same AND distinct.



Examples:

The Father is called God: You already know many examples.

The Son is called God: John 5:18, John 8:58, John 10:30-33, etc. (You know what, the entire Book of John's purpose is to show Jesus being God.

The Holy Spirit is called God: Peter states that lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God. (Acts 5:3-4)



---To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen." (Romans 9:5) emphasis added ----

my translation says Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 9:5 (KJV) note the comma in particular

Interesting, I have not noticed that before from the cross-translations. haha. Well I guess either translations can argue either sides point, so I'll just move on from this.



"--- "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority." (Colossians 2:9-10) emphasis added ----

yep he has the authority of GOD no argument there."

I think you missed the point here. Jesus is referred to as "the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily". That means 100% of God or divinity is Him in bodily form.



Archangel Michael can't actually remember exactly where that is from ... but something along the lines of Michaeal is the only archangel and Jesus is referred to as being head of the angels therefore the archangel.

There isn't a verse like that. If you simply do a search of "Michael" in any online Bible (including KJV), the only references of Michael the archangel is in Daniel, Jude, and Revelation. None of them are what you described.



Also, what you said here contradicts what the Bible says about Jesus and angels. I understand the logic that you put out in saying that Michael is the archangel and Jesus is considered the head of angels, but in the Book of Hebrews, chapter 1--



-the Son is said to be BETTER than angels. (Hebrews 1:4) Archangel is still an angel and the Son is better than the archangel

-God tells the angels to worship the Son. (Hebrews 1:6) You don't worship angels. That is idolatry, even the angels know it (Revelation 22:8-9). Yet Jesus never once denied worship from other people. He knew what that meant and that is exactly what He is trying to show. It is the Christian belief that Jesus is God the reason that we worship Jesus.

-The Son's throne is forever and ever. (Hebrews 1:8) I'm just gonna put the verse here with emphasis: "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever : a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." Did you see that? the Son was called God.

-There's more I can say about just this one chapter, like Jesus being the Creator, Jesus is unchanging, Jesus purifying sin, etc. Seriously, read the Book of Hebrews and check it with the rest of scripture. Truly great stuff.



I do believe in the trinity God - The Father, Jesus - The Son, and the Holy spirit. and I'm pretty sure the there is no way the holy spirit could be GOD

Except you don't. The Trinity is defined as God as three persons in one essence or substance. Trinity means "three in one." To say that God the Father is the only divine is called nontrinitarianism; to say that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all divine but are separate deities is called polytheism. What you state is not biblical because Jesus was not stated in the Bible to be just a man.



This is soo important and crucial in Christian belief. The apostles say that He is God, Jesus claims that He is God. In fact, it is because of His claim that the Jews say He is blasphemous and are angry at Him because He is "making Himself God" (John 10:33). I mean, just talking about Jesus being God is one of the distinctions between Christianity and other religions. Islam states that He is just a prophet, Judaism states that He is not the Messiah, all the other religions don't believe Jesus is God, but Christianity does.



The most well-known chapter in the Bible that basically sums up saying that Jesus is God is John 1. Here are some excerpts:



"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)

"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men." (John 1:3-4)

"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not." (John 1:10)

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14)



Be discerning and know who Jesus is and who He says He is. Truly study the scriptures, think clearly and see the truth. Hold onto the good.



P.S.: I made a supplement blog post for the video on my blog: http://asianbeliever.blogspot.com/2011/06/did-jesus-claim-to-be-god-youtube.html
RetroSteve : "Nope it is just something that is obvious to me."

I wasn't denying that, but it still a belief that only Jehovah's Witnesses believe.



"how can Jesus be GOD, when he is lost and Mary and Joseph find him he says " Did you not know I would be doing my fathers work" referring to GOD just before he is sacrificed he prays to GOD and says " Your will not mine "

god sent hi son to die that we should live

and there are others."

Right, I know there is. That's the thing about the doctrine of the Trinity. It is because the Bible talks about there is only one God, but then you have Jesus who is God and Holy Spirit who is God. They are all referred to as the same God in the Bible but each person have distinct roles as well as the same roles in the Bible. So for Jesus to say that He is doing the Father's work, that is true, because part of Jesus' role you might say is to lead people back to Him. His other name, Emmanuel, literally means "God with us." However, you should also know that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit all have the role in creation (The Father: 1 Corinthians 8:6; The Son: Colossians 1:16; the Holy Spirit: Psalm 104:30). So they are the same AND distinct.



Examples:

The Father is called God: You already know many examples.

The Son is called God: John 5:18, John 8:58, John 10:30-33, etc. (You know what, the entire Book of John's purpose is to show Jesus being God.

The Holy Spirit is called God: Peter states that lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God. (Acts 5:3-4)



---To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen." (Romans 9:5) emphasis added ----

my translation says Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 9:5 (KJV) note the comma in particular

Interesting, I have not noticed that before from the cross-translations. haha. Well I guess either translations can argue either sides point, so I'll just move on from this.



"--- "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority." (Colossians 2:9-10) emphasis added ----

yep he has the authority of GOD no argument there."

I think you missed the point here. Jesus is referred to as "the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily". That means 100% of God or divinity is Him in bodily form.



Archangel Michael can't actually remember exactly where that is from ... but something along the lines of Michaeal is the only archangel and Jesus is referred to as being head of the angels therefore the archangel.

There isn't a verse like that. If you simply do a search of "Michael" in any online Bible (including KJV), the only references of Michael the archangel is in Daniel, Jude, and Revelation. None of them are what you described.



Also, what you said here contradicts what the Bible says about Jesus and angels. I understand the logic that you put out in saying that Michael is the archangel and Jesus is considered the head of angels, but in the Book of Hebrews, chapter 1--



-the Son is said to be BETTER than angels. (Hebrews 1:4) Archangel is still an angel and the Son is better than the archangel

-God tells the angels to worship the Son. (Hebrews 1:6) You don't worship angels. That is idolatry, even the angels know it (Revelation 22:8-9). Yet Jesus never once denied worship from other people. He knew what that meant and that is exactly what He is trying to show. It is the Christian belief that Jesus is God the reason that we worship Jesus.

-The Son's throne is forever and ever. (Hebrews 1:8) I'm just gonna put the verse here with emphasis: "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever : a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." Did you see that? the Son was called God.

-There's more I can say about just this one chapter, like Jesus being the Creator, Jesus is unchanging, Jesus purifying sin, etc. Seriously, read the Book of Hebrews and check it with the rest of scripture. Truly great stuff.



I do believe in the trinity God - The Father, Jesus - The Son, and the Holy spirit. and I'm pretty sure the there is no way the holy spirit could be GOD

Except you don't. The Trinity is defined as God as three persons in one essence or substance. Trinity means "three in one." To say that God the Father is the only divine is called nontrinitarianism; to say that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all divine but are separate deities is called polytheism. What you state is not biblical because Jesus was not stated in the Bible to be just a man.



This is soo important and crucial in Christian belief. The apostles say that He is God, Jesus claims that He is God. In fact, it is because of His claim that the Jews say He is blasphemous and are angry at Him because He is "making Himself God" (John 10:33). I mean, just talking about Jesus being God is one of the distinctions between Christianity and other religions. Islam states that He is just a prophet, Judaism states that He is not the Messiah, all the other religions don't believe Jesus is God, but Christianity does.



The most well-known chapter in the Bible that basically sums up saying that Jesus is God is John 1. Here are some excerpts:



"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)

"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men." (John 1:3-4)

"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not." (John 1:10)

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14)



Be discerning and know who Jesus is and who He says He is. Truly study the scriptures, think clearly and see the truth. Hold onto the good.



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There wasnt nothing specific I can think of atleast in retrospect. Nothing that would have stood out for me enough to do so. I belive its a matter of view. If I disagree, I am not going out saying the other person is wrong.
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There wasnt nothing specific I can think of atleast in retrospect. Nothing that would have stood out for me enough to do so. I belive its a matter of view. If I disagree, I am not going out saying the other person is wrong.
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I'm not a Jehovah's witness and not only they believes this  Mormons and some of the Pentecostal born again's do as well in fact till now I thought only Catholics believed otherwise ... you live you learn hehe

God the father --- yep obviously

God the son --- none of these actually say he is God ... oh wait I and the father are one dose seem to tho as far as I have understood this refers to Jesus having the power and authority to do works... and the beginning of john is an interesting one

so that is so far 2 places that cause me some need for prayer and further study but there seem far more places where Jesus is referred to as a different entity then GOD like when Jesus is being baptised and God say " This is my son and in him I am well pleased" .... so either Jesus is well pleased in himself ... doesn't sound much like him to me or GOD his father is pleased ..

God the holy spirit

Well the holy spirit is a gift and messenger from GOD so kind of sort of  I guess but I always thought of the Holy spirit as a voice, a feeling ... I spirit sent from GOD but not GOD

The archangel thing ok never really thought about it just sounded right when the old guy said it and he showed me a bunch of scriptures that I don't remember so I will concede I have no real idea

I do not think that Jesus Being GOD is the deference between Christianity and others I think that is Believing that Jesus is the Holy messiah the one who fulfills ... ALOT of profercies four hundred and something including being of the line of David on both "parents" (even tho technically Joseph is not his dad I know) sides and dying for our sins that we should be free from death.

I guess in the end we will have to agree to disagree 
 


I'm not a Jehovah's witness and not only they believes this  Mormons and some of the Pentecostal born again's do as well in fact till now I thought only Catholics believed otherwise ... you live you learn hehe

God the father --- yep obviously

God the son --- none of these actually say he is God ... oh wait I and the father are one dose seem to tho as far as I have understood this refers to Jesus having the power and authority to do works... and the beginning of john is an interesting one

so that is so far 2 places that cause me some need for prayer and further study but there seem far more places where Jesus is referred to as a different entity then GOD like when Jesus is being baptised and God say " This is my son and in him I am well pleased" .... so either Jesus is well pleased in himself ... doesn't sound much like him to me or GOD his father is pleased ..

God the holy spirit

Well the holy spirit is a gift and messenger from GOD so kind of sort of  I guess but I always thought of the Holy spirit as a voice, a feeling ... I spirit sent from GOD but not GOD

The archangel thing ok never really thought about it just sounded right when the old guy said it and he showed me a bunch of scriptures that I don't remember so I will concede I have no real idea

I do not think that Jesus Being GOD is the deference between Christianity and others I think that is Believing that Jesus is the Holy messiah the one who fulfills ... ALOT of profercies four hundred and something including being of the line of David on both "parents" (even tho technically Joseph is not his dad I know) sides and dying for our sins that we should be free from death.

I guess in the end we will have to agree to disagree 
 

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Everyone has their own ideas on who God is and about the trinity. God has many names, most come from the Bible, my personal favorite to call Him is Abba. I love Abba because it means 'Father' and reminds me when I pray that I have a father daughter relationship with Him.

 I think every denomination has their own views of the trinity. Personally I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The Father is a creator, the head, and the ultimate source of power for the trinity. The Son is the retribution of mankind and the summoner of the New Covenant. He is the one that restored faith in mankind and healed the brokenness left behind after the fall. The Holy Spirit is the one that came after the Son. He is the one that allows mankind to dwell with God again. If the Son never left, the Spirit would have never been able to come back to mankind. The trinity is more about roles than separation. 

I am Pentecostal in my Christian nature though I don't take up any particular denomination if you are wondering.
Everyone has their own ideas on who God is and about the trinity. God has many names, most come from the Bible, my personal favorite to call Him is Abba. I love Abba because it means 'Father' and reminds me when I pray that I have a father daughter relationship with Him.

 I think every denomination has their own views of the trinity. Personally I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The Father is a creator, the head, and the ultimate source of power for the trinity. The Son is the retribution of mankind and the summoner of the New Covenant. He is the one that restored faith in mankind and healed the brokenness left behind after the fall. The Holy Spirit is the one that came after the Son. He is the one that allows mankind to dwell with God again. If the Son never left, the Spirit would have never been able to come back to mankind. The trinity is more about roles than separation. 

I am Pentecostal in my Christian nature though I don't take up any particular denomination if you are wondering.
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RetroSteve : I'm not a Jehovah's witness and not only they believes this Mormons and some of the Pentecostal born again's do as well in fact till now I thought only Catholics believed otherwise ... you live you learn hehe

I was specifically talking about the belief that Jesus is the archangel Michael. Jehovah's Witnesses believe in that. But you are right about this. Mormons and specifically Oneness Pentecostals are also nontrinitarian.

Again, all throughout scripture shows that God is a triune God, all of them a Godhead of God but have different roles and relation to one another. That is why we have both types of verses (one Godhead sending the other/one pointing to another vs. the Godheads are one/the Godheads are equal and eternal) in the Bible.

Also, Holy Spirit is not a force or a feeling. The Bible tells us that the Holy Spirit has feelings and emotions and convicts and counsels. These characteristics don't come from some mystical force.

What I'm saying is that as a Christian, this is one of the core beliefs of being a Christian, especially because it is about God. The apostles taught this and the early church have established this ever since dealing with wrong teachings sprouting out about Jesus during that time.

Examples:
Nicene Creed:
"...And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God], Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;"

Athanasian Creed:
"...So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God."

All I ask is that you study and pray about this because this is so important for us Christians and it would be inconsistent in living as Christians if this doctrine is not affirmed. If you are to pray in Jesus' name, worship Him, as well as believe that He is the Lord of the Sabbath, died for our sins and forgive sins, how can you say that Jesus is just a mere man when only God fits that profile?

Even His enemies said this: “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” (Mark 2:7)

roxasgirl : Well spoken
RetroSteve : I'm not a Jehovah's witness and not only they believes this Mormons and some of the Pentecostal born again's do as well in fact till now I thought only Catholics believed otherwise ... you live you learn hehe

I was specifically talking about the belief that Jesus is the archangel Michael. Jehovah's Witnesses believe in that. But you are right about this. Mormons and specifically Oneness Pentecostals are also nontrinitarian.

Again, all throughout scripture shows that God is a triune God, all of them a Godhead of God but have different roles and relation to one another. That is why we have both types of verses (one Godhead sending the other/one pointing to another vs. the Godheads are one/the Godheads are equal and eternal) in the Bible.

Also, Holy Spirit is not a force or a feeling. The Bible tells us that the Holy Spirit has feelings and emotions and convicts and counsels. These characteristics don't come from some mystical force.

What I'm saying is that as a Christian, this is one of the core beliefs of being a Christian, especially because it is about God. The apostles taught this and the early church have established this ever since dealing with wrong teachings sprouting out about Jesus during that time.

Examples:
Nicene Creed:
"...And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God], Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;"

Athanasian Creed:
"...So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God."

All I ask is that you study and pray about this because this is so important for us Christians and it would be inconsistent in living as Christians if this doctrine is not affirmed. If you are to pray in Jesus' name, worship Him, as well as believe that He is the Lord of the Sabbath, died for our sins and forgive sins, how can you say that Jesus is just a mere man when only God fits that profile?

Even His enemies said this: “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” (Mark 2:7)

roxasgirl : Well spoken
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roxasgirl:  *gasps*

"I am Pentecostal in my Christian nature though I don't take up any particular denomination if you are wondering."

Not to get off topic, but so am I! Exactly those words describe my own relationship with Christ.  Maybe we should get to know each other.  

I do like your reasoning for calling God "Abba".  I don't really pray to him by any other name than God.  I think though, that what you have said is very good, and I never thought about it. Imaging how more powerful and meaningful my connection with Him can be, if I use one of His names which reminds me that He will take care of whatever it is I am in need of.

Great perspective!
roxasgirl:  *gasps*

"I am Pentecostal in my Christian nature though I don't take up any particular denomination if you are wondering."

Not to get off topic, but so am I! Exactly those words describe my own relationship with Christ.  Maybe we should get to know each other.  

I do like your reasoning for calling God "Abba".  I don't really pray to him by any other name than God.  I think though, that what you have said is very good, and I never thought about it. Imaging how more powerful and meaningful my connection with Him can be, if I use one of His names which reminds me that He will take care of whatever it is I am in need of.

Great perspective!
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It's kinda funny that a thread asking for the name of God, became a trinity debate and the likes. (Not funny haha, more like funny thought provoking). The trinity is an "idea" that separates so many Christians because of the foundation it lays. It has dominated how we view God and the names that we feel represent Him best. Crazy, no?
It's kinda funny that a thread asking for the name of God, became a trinity debate and the likes. (Not funny haha, more like funny thought provoking). The trinity is an "idea" that separates so many Christians because of the foundation it lays. It has dominated how we view God and the names that we feel represent Him best. Crazy, no?
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Isn't his real name like Abraham or something like that. I remember learning in social studies about religions and I remember the teacher saying that. 
Isn't his real name like Abraham or something like that. I remember learning in social studies about religions and I remember the teacher saying that. 
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His name isn't Abraham.. Although His has been called the God of Abraham. Then again maybe God likes the name Abraham, but using that logic you could say God likes the name Bob too. lol.
His name isn't Abraham.. Although His has been called the God of Abraham. Then again maybe God likes the name Abraham, but using that logic you could say God likes the name Bob too. lol.
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Well there are many names for 1 god. Jesus Christ is God and God is Jesus Christ. It does all go back to the Holy Trinity. They are the same person. Everyone believes something and everyone has a name. I prefer to call him God but someone else may want to call him something else.
Well there are many names for 1 god. Jesus Christ is God and God is Jesus Christ. It does all go back to the Holy Trinity. They are the same person. Everyone believes something and everyone has a name. I prefer to call him God but someone else may want to call him something else.
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