bombchu link :
Iv never seen jesus painted on cave walls by the cavemen.
The romans are the reason christianity exists.
They enforced christianity in the dark ages, most people were iliterate anyway. And when god subsided humanity progresed

Bombchu: Have I ever told a lie and how many? Seriously? You're nitpicking.  Nitpicking is a game of gotcha, not a matter of ethical discussion.

If you want to discuss the nature of lying, or the ethical implications of lying, then I'm all for it.

But "how many lies" isn't a conversation worth having, sorry.

Lastly, did you watch the link I shared, or not? You made the statement that god hates to kill. I'd rather not change the subject.

Astynax27 : yeah, I don't mean to pick on people. I'm guilty of lying to, everyone is

 I watched part of the video and  the reason that God slew the Hittites and the Jebusites and the other -ites is to clear the evil from the land. The reason that God killed the firstborn is that Pharaoh did it to Israel first. He sent the command to kill all the firstborn males of Israel in Exodus 1:22

P.S. I like how you called me 'bombchu'

thenumberone : The roman's did not make christianity, God did, he told the Jew first and then they told the world. Like I said  Adam and Eve knew about christianity or really Judaism when they ate of the tree of good and evil. Also to answer your future question of why he put it there is that if they did not know good from evil they could not know sin and they could be pure and holy and Jesus would not have to die on the cross as a sacrifice

bombchu link :
Without the Romans, you would not be christian.
In fact, you probably wouldn't even be Jewish.
Until you can prove Adam and eve existed you cant prove that the original beings were Jewish, whereas real evidence indicates they weren't Jewish.
A question.
Why did Jesus have to sacrifice himself?
He, god, created his son, essentially an extension of himself.
His lesser sons,(apparently)humans, did things that displeased him, so he had his only son (despite the fact he could create an infinite amount, but hey, one will do i guess, kids are trouble huh) executed on the cross to atone for humanity's sins and then immediately got his son back meaning there was in fact no sacrifice.
I don't get
1: where the sacrifice came from
2:why allowing you're immortal son to be thrown back to heaven to atone for your other sons sins is reasonable
3: How he has a son yet no wife, did he just click his fingers.
4: what kind of morality that instills, you can make up for all your wrongdoing by getting someone to be slowly executed in the name of your sins

thenumberone : um, you will have to explain what you mean by not even being Jewish without the Romans. And let me clarify what I believe. I am a Torah observant Christian, I am not a Jew or from Israel just saying. Now to your questions. . .


1. Where the sacrifice came from. It came from Jesus himself you can't see it but it most certainly happened! Even though the punishment was physical, the sacrifice was spiritual to cleanse our souls for everything we have done wrong in our lives! He took all the pain and suffering away for us. All have to do is accept it unless you want to risk going to hell for the rest of eternity! And I most definitely do not!

2. Why he allowed his son to be thrown back into heaven to atone for your other sons sins is reasonable. He is clean now he got rid of the sins, he didn't keep them! So he could be allowed back into heaven.

3. How he has a son without a wife. That's funny, the answer is that all three parts of the trinity are equal to one another and are the same person. The reason of this is so we understand that in a spiritual aspect he has a father, not in a literal meaning.

4. 'God so loved the whole world that he gave his only son so that we may not perish but have everlasting live' John 3:16.  Jesus was the only perfect man, the lamb without blemish, without sin, so only HE could remove the sin from the world, he had to feel the pain to save us from death and hell because he loves us so much!

It'd honestly a mystery to me as for why this was thrown into a Christian forum section to debate, but whatever.

Atheism is not, nor will it ever be, a religion. It is the belief that there are no Gods. Reading the definition of "Atheist" in an actual dictionary, instead of the definitions posted by Christians on a silly forum for children, would help anyone realize this, Nya~.

As for the discussion on hand...

thenumberone : In reality, it wasn't a sacrifice, but a punishment. In the Christian religion, it was the sacrifice that apparently cleaned everyone of their sins. In modern time, he would have been labeled as nothing more than a psychopath. However, at the time, religion was a very powerful influence, and thus, he seemed like a true prophet.

First, *Your (You're = You are, Your = Ownership). That out of the way, I'm assuming that cleansing everyone of their sins so they could be allowed into heaven without much debate would generally be a good thing, but eh...

He supposedly can create anything at whim, so yeah, I'm pretty sure that's how it apparently went. OH WAIT, I forgot! Simple research would show that he didn't spontaneously appear from nowhere, and that he was actually born from a Mother! The more you know!

Think of it this way: You are at a restaurant, you have a tab or something open, and you can't get any food or anything until you pay the tab off. Suddenly, random civilian #1 shows up and happens to be rich, so he goes and pays off the tab of everyone at that restaurant so they can continue to get food or whatever. A bad relation, but I'm hoping you get the point with this.

Before you get confused, I too am an Atheist. Why am I answering your questions? Because you chose not to put in the little time needed to use a little common sense and research to figure out the answers on your own, Nya~.

MegaRevolution1 :

Unrequired grammar lesson, i didnt give it any thought, its just the internet.

Your answers aren't common sense, that's not logical. I am aware of the religious answers but they are not logical.
In the bible god asks someone else to kill there son (Issac i think) and he does it, but show me one individual here, who if they thought god told them to do it, would.
If someone said, kill that random and the world's sins will be forgiven, you wouldn't clap you're hands, yell alrighty almighty and commence hacking his head off with a knife.
But in this instance its OK.
No.
perhaps you should think through your answers before questioning the questions?

1/2:That dosent explain how anything is really sacrificied
3: Except, wait, that wasnt the question, jesus himself, not his 'human birth'
I really dont get the point with your analogy, my question wasnt why would you accept being absolved of your sins, but why you as a father would deem it rational, let alone as a 'morale' human.
Did you read my questions properly?
"you chose not to put in the little time needed to use a little common sense"

bombchu link :
The spread of the christian faith is down to the romans
They killed jesus, got it attention.
They adopted christianity, took it to there empires.
Empire diminished, former colonies became empires themselves, took it to america, africa, asia, india, it was imperialism started by the romans that meant we actually know what christianity is.
Same with islam, judism, hinduism, all conquest.
Each one certain that they are right.
Each one containing offensive material.
1:what did he sacrifice?what did he have that he no longer has?
2:so if he has none of the sins then refer to point 1
3:Father emplies a begining however, and god has none, if its a trinity then jesus has none either, in which case you cant precede infinity
4:And yet, theres still sin, much of it commited in his name, much of it encouraged by whjat he apparently said (if the bible is to be believed), so how can he be perfect.
If he was perfect he would have thought of a more long term fix.

thenumberone : Just a really quick note:

God told Abraham (the main Patriarch of the Judeo-Christian religions) to kill his son, Isaac. This was a test of Abraham's faith. Abraham didn't actually do it because, according to scripture, as he was about to do it God (I believe sent angels) stopped him.

One would question why an all-knowing being would need to test faith in the first place. If he's truly all-knowing, he should KNOW what Abraham will do.

That's all I have time for right now.

Atheism is the lack of belief in God (or a similar deity- type figure or whatever you want to call it). In my opinion, this is by extension the lack of religion. A religion is by Google dictionary: "The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods." If there is no belief, there is no religion. I have known many atheists to take their beliefs to such an extreme level that it seems like atheism IS their religion, such as those who are so adamant in their disbelief as to track down all non-atheists and do their best to shut down their victim's religion entirely. In one sense, it could be said that they follow atheism religiously , but that does not mean that atheism is a religion.