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Recently I got super high off something, I dont remember what it was or how I got home but I tried to sleep it off. My mom walks in ranting about the end of the world and I started defying her beliefs and laughing at her. That was stupid. She threatened to kick me out of the house if I didnt pray to a god I dont believe in and I said "so?"

That night I slept in the backyard watching the stars....

Praise Jebus!
Recently I got super high off something, I dont remember what it was or how I got home but I tried to sleep it off. My mom walks in ranting about the end of the world and I started defying her beliefs and laughing at her. That was stupid. She threatened to kick me out of the house if I didnt pray to a god I dont believe in and I said "so?"

That night I slept in the backyard watching the stars....

Praise Jebus!
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Back a long time ago, people wanted to think of reasons for why stuff happens or how the world came to exist because they didn't have access to as much knowlege as we do today.
People needed reasons for why good and bad stuff happens, so they created religions.

For example, while we know how thunderstorms are caused today, back in Ancient Times, they were blamed on gods like Thor or Zeus for doing something to annoy the gods.
Back a long time ago, people wanted to think of reasons for why stuff happens or how the world came to exist because they didn't have access to as much knowlege as we do today.
People needed reasons for why good and bad stuff happens, so they created religions.

For example, while we know how thunderstorms are caused today, back in Ancient Times, they were blamed on gods like Thor or Zeus for doing something to annoy the gods.
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So I don't understand the point of this thread/rant, but I'm just going to go along with it.

What religion is your mom and what is your opinion about it?

Kaiser19 : That would be true if it is a manmade religion, formed from people's opinions, but if it is about truth about an active God, then there is nothing silly about it.
So I don't understand the point of this thread/rant, but I'm just going to go along with it.

What religion is your mom and what is your opinion about it?

Kaiser19 : That would be true if it is a manmade religion, formed from people's opinions, but if it is about truth about an active God, then there is nothing silly about it.
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I'm actually mostly an agnostic, so I get where you're coming from. My mom didn't accept the fact that I'm not a total Christian, and lashed out things she didn't think were harmful to me. She said the following:

"I'm not letting any of this weird stuff in my house!"
"So all that baptism and praying was for nothing?"
"*insert other lashes that she never thought were hurtful, but they hurt me to this day."

I lost trust once again in my own mother, and never told her what I really thought about my beliefs ever again. I simply just pretend to be Christian so she can be happy. Telling my mom I was agnostic was the biggest mistake ever, and most people will probably just do what my mom did, and act the same way. I believe there is a God somewhere, but she thinks not thinking like her unless you're a Christian is disgusting. I'm amazed I can listen to freaking "Satanic" metal songs around her, because she acted so horrifically unsure of my own feelings.

I love her, but her reaction was not helpful. In fact, it has never left my mind, and haunts me. I fear Christians almost because of it. She was upset, yes. The thing is, she let her emotions take over what really mattered. That thing that truly mattered was that I'm her own flesh and blood, I came from her, I love her, and I would do anything to make her smile. She forgot the important things I had given her all because of religion. It made me almost hate Christianity. She's a Southern Baptist, by the way.

For those wondering, I live in a family that is Protestant and normally accepting. They don't mind if I listen to a band that sounds gross(Gorguts. Haha.), they let me be me, and they will allow me to talk about just about anything with them.

Also, I am still in the idea that Christianity is the only religion that I can even be in. Every other one is so confusing and restricted for this soul. I'm a free spirit who wants to be free.
I'm actually mostly an agnostic, so I get where you're coming from. My mom didn't accept the fact that I'm not a total Christian, and lashed out things she didn't think were harmful to me. She said the following:

"I'm not letting any of this weird stuff in my house!"
"So all that baptism and praying was for nothing?"
"*insert other lashes that she never thought were hurtful, but they hurt me to this day."

I lost trust once again in my own mother, and never told her what I really thought about my beliefs ever again. I simply just pretend to be Christian so she can be happy. Telling my mom I was agnostic was the biggest mistake ever, and most people will probably just do what my mom did, and act the same way. I believe there is a God somewhere, but she thinks not thinking like her unless you're a Christian is disgusting. I'm amazed I can listen to freaking "Satanic" metal songs around her, because she acted so horrifically unsure of my own feelings.

I love her, but her reaction was not helpful. In fact, it has never left my mind, and haunts me. I fear Christians almost because of it. She was upset, yes. The thing is, she let her emotions take over what really mattered. That thing that truly mattered was that I'm her own flesh and blood, I came from her, I love her, and I would do anything to make her smile. She forgot the important things I had given her all because of religion. It made me almost hate Christianity. She's a Southern Baptist, by the way.

For those wondering, I live in a family that is Protestant and normally accepting. They don't mind if I listen to a band that sounds gross(Gorguts. Haha.), they let me be me, and they will allow me to talk about just about anything with them.

Also, I am still in the idea that Christianity is the only religion that I can even be in. Every other one is so confusing and restricted for this soul. I'm a free spirit who wants to be free.
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KlawedFlaw : That was...detailed. Thankfully for me, my parents aren't so strict about my religeon, what I wear, or what I listen to. They're a little tough on me for the friends I hang out with, but other then that, I'm pretty freeformed. You should feel glad you're able to listen to what you want, because lot's of Christians don't think that way.
KlawedFlaw : That was...detailed. Thankfully for me, my parents aren't so strict about my religeon, what I wear, or what I listen to. They're a little tough on me for the friends I hang out with, but other then that, I'm pretty freeformed. You should feel glad you're able to listen to what you want, because lot's of Christians don't think that way.
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Being a parent is hard if you look at their point of view, especially when it comes to talking about Christianity.

I mean, with their understanding that those who do not have a right relationship with God would end up going to hell would concern them, and they would want their children to know Christ. Some parents do better than others. Some just don't really know what to do and think that if they are strictly containing the child, they would be fine. It all depends on how parents do it, and sometimes doing it wrong would hurt their relationship with the parents. But with that understanding, they are doing it because of love.

I would like to comment though in terms of God, is that He is sovereign, and no matter what happens, He is still in control. Nothing that happens would be a surprise to Him.

As for pretending to be a Christian...to be honest, it's not possible to do so. Sure, you can trick others in thinking that you are, but conversion is the transformation of the heart, a transformation that causes one to say, "I need God to save me, because I can't save myself from my sins" and God transform the heart and people would have a desire of wanting to please God and to be more like Him, wanting to live in holiness and righteousness.

No one can really pretend to be a Christian. God either has you or He doesn't. Either you are with Him or you are not. You may be able to fool others, but you can't fool God.
Being a parent is hard if you look at their point of view, especially when it comes to talking about Christianity.

I mean, with their understanding that those who do not have a right relationship with God would end up going to hell would concern them, and they would want their children to know Christ. Some parents do better than others. Some just don't really know what to do and think that if they are strictly containing the child, they would be fine. It all depends on how parents do it, and sometimes doing it wrong would hurt their relationship with the parents. But with that understanding, they are doing it because of love.

I would like to comment though in terms of God, is that He is sovereign, and no matter what happens, He is still in control. Nothing that happens would be a surprise to Him.

As for pretending to be a Christian...to be honest, it's not possible to do so. Sure, you can trick others in thinking that you are, but conversion is the transformation of the heart, a transformation that causes one to say, "I need God to save me, because I can't save myself from my sins" and God transform the heart and people would have a desire of wanting to please God and to be more like Him, wanting to live in holiness and righteousness.

No one can really pretend to be a Christian. God either has you or He doesn't. Either you are with Him or you are not. You may be able to fool others, but you can't fool God.
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I really hate parents like that. The more you try and force children into something they don't want the more they will likely rebel against it. If your parents boot you out of house for not believing in god they are too religious, most likely religious nuts. I don't care what religion you are you better care for your children more then your religion. If not, you should not have made children in first place.

If you cannot coexist in a household with different religious beliefs then your a prime example of why there is such hate in this world towards those with difference; making you the devil not the other way around.
I really hate parents like that. The more you try and force children into something they don't want the more they will likely rebel against it. If your parents boot you out of house for not believing in god they are too religious, most likely religious nuts. I don't care what religion you are you better care for your children more then your religion. If not, you should not have made children in first place.

If you cannot coexist in a household with different religious beliefs then your a prime example of why there is such hate in this world towards those with difference; making you the devil not the other way around.
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I understand the point of view of parents wanting their kids to be knowledgeable of the Gospel, it's out of love in the correct sense, however forced faith is contradictory. Similarly, forced faith is why the Pilgrims migrated here from the Church of England at the time.
I understand the point of view of parents wanting their kids to be knowledgeable of the Gospel, it's out of love in the correct sense, however forced faith is contradictory. Similarly, forced faith is why the Pilgrims migrated here from the Church of England at the time.
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My parents pretty much let me do anything, and yet, I don't really do anything lol. I respected, loved, and even sometimes feared them as a kid, but, now it's different. Everything's all settled in. No more fear (lol), just peaceful understanding (mostly). I'm pretty sure that they're okay with anything. If I were gay, if I changed to a new religion, etc. they would understand. They are very good to me. I love them.

My parents pretty much let me do anything, and yet, I don't really do anything lol. I respected, loved, and even sometimes feared them as a kid, but, now it's different. Everything's all settled in. No more fear (lol), just peaceful understanding (mostly). I'm pretty sure that they're okay with anything. If I were gay, if I changed to a new religion, etc. they would understand. They are very good to me. I love them.

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SOrry to hear that you were kicked out because you didn't pray to GOD. i'm wondering...what religion are your parents? They are obviously very religious to have kicked you out over it...
SOrry to hear that you were kicked out because you didn't pray to GOD. i'm wondering...what religion are your parents? They are obviously very religious to have kicked you out over it...
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From personal experience i seem to find religious people very closed minded and very set in there ways. Also very fanatical when you least expect it. You can truely tell what a person is like on the inside simply by sitting down and talking about relgion. Then watch the true colours come out.

They don't seem very open to other suggestions or interpretations, or other relgious books for that matter. Especially the ones that never made it into the Bible. I dont know everything about religion but the more i read about different relgions and cultures it seems to me that they are all more related to eachother than anyone wants to admit. Like Christians and Muslims, why fight over the same God ? It's like hitting your head agianst a brick wall.

I was talking to a work colleague the other day and we got onto the topic of Extra terrestials. He laughed at me for thinking there is something out there. I said well you talk and pray to someone that might not even be there, may have never existed. Deeper into other conversations made him very angry to the point i was expecting to have to unleash the fury. It's pathetic. Then i asked him why he was getting so angry. I always expected religious people to be cool calm and collective. If there is so much love involved in your belief system then why all the anger.

Anyway before i go further into a rant, if you're really sorry for upsetting your Mother/family maybe you should sit down and talk it out. If this doesn't work and things get heated I'd suggest cutting away the dead wood. If you're second best to God maybe you should cut away the dead wood and move on. This is what i would do anyway. Just me.

For the record i like religion, i think in the beginning it was meant for good intentions but has been corrupted through the ages with lies and forgeries. I dont have a religion myself but lets just say that I've been trying to sift through all of the s*** to find some truth.



From personal experience i seem to find religious people very closed minded and very set in there ways. Also very fanatical when you least expect it. You can truely tell what a person is like on the inside simply by sitting down and talking about relgion. Then watch the true colours come out.

They don't seem very open to other suggestions or interpretations, or other relgious books for that matter. Especially the ones that never made it into the Bible. I dont know everything about religion but the more i read about different relgions and cultures it seems to me that they are all more related to eachother than anyone wants to admit. Like Christians and Muslims, why fight over the same God ? It's like hitting your head agianst a brick wall.

I was talking to a work colleague the other day and we got onto the topic of Extra terrestials. He laughed at me for thinking there is something out there. I said well you talk and pray to someone that might not even be there, may have never existed. Deeper into other conversations made him very angry to the point i was expecting to have to unleash the fury. It's pathetic. Then i asked him why he was getting so angry. I always expected religious people to be cool calm and collective. If there is so much love involved in your belief system then why all the anger.

Anyway before i go further into a rant, if you're really sorry for upsetting your Mother/family maybe you should sit down and talk it out. If this doesn't work and things get heated I'd suggest cutting away the dead wood. If you're second best to God maybe you should cut away the dead wood and move on. This is what i would do anyway. Just me.

For the record i like religion, i think in the beginning it was meant for good intentions but has been corrupted through the ages with lies and forgeries. I dont have a religion myself but lets just say that I've been trying to sift through all of the s*** to find some truth.



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To the OP, I understand, and personally, i think she may want to rethink that whole "love" thing Christ commanded us bit more. My Mom was the same way back in my rebellious period, but now that years have passed and souls have been searched, we have me4ded those fences, both of us.

Golvellius : A couple of comments, if I may. Allow me to tackle the obvious one first. Christians and Moslems do not worship the same God. God and Allah are two radically different entities. A few examples : Allah has no Sons, in fact Moslems are a bit scandlised by the notion, at least the ones I have talked to. Although I have heard he has daughters. If this basic idea is denied, in stands to reason he cannot be the Christian God. there are others things I could mention, however, in the interest of not offending, I shall refrain.

As to the "ones that never made it into the Bible." It is a common misconception (thank you Dan Brown!) that there were books with "secret doctrines" that were excluded because a few priest thought it might interfere with their power plans. Nice theory, except for a couple of salient points. First, the Council that ratified the Canon had certain criteria ; what did the churches themselves use, did the book in question contradict other accepted scripture or Teachings, was it obviously not in keeping with the Faith? For instance, the Gospel of Thomas was a known work, yet very few Churches accepted it as an actual Gospel.

Second, there is the rule of legends. Put simply, it takes between 100 to 150 years for legends and anecdotal folklore to begin making their way into established culture. For example, the legend of George Washington and the cherry tree didn't begin to circulate until the late 1800's. The four Gospels were all written in less time than 100 years...most while survivors of those days were still around. (Mark, Matthew and John all knew Christ) And, according to Jewish law, if someone made a claim, and they were there, they could say "no, that's not the way it happened" if the account in question was a lie. It is quite significant that this did not happen.

Sorry for preaching, and apologies if I have offended. forgive me.

PS - I too have a tendency to believe in extraterrestrial life. Our God truly is an awesome (capable of inspiring awe) God, and there are no limits to what He can do or create.
To the OP, I understand, and personally, i think she may want to rethink that whole "love" thing Christ commanded us bit more. My Mom was the same way back in my rebellious period, but now that years have passed and souls have been searched, we have me4ded those fences, both of us.

Golvellius : A couple of comments, if I may. Allow me to tackle the obvious one first. Christians and Moslems do not worship the same God. God and Allah are two radically different entities. A few examples : Allah has no Sons, in fact Moslems are a bit scandlised by the notion, at least the ones I have talked to. Although I have heard he has daughters. If this basic idea is denied, in stands to reason he cannot be the Christian God. there are others things I could mention, however, in the interest of not offending, I shall refrain.

As to the "ones that never made it into the Bible." It is a common misconception (thank you Dan Brown!) that there were books with "secret doctrines" that were excluded because a few priest thought it might interfere with their power plans. Nice theory, except for a couple of salient points. First, the Council that ratified the Canon had certain criteria ; what did the churches themselves use, did the book in question contradict other accepted scripture or Teachings, was it obviously not in keeping with the Faith? For instance, the Gospel of Thomas was a known work, yet very few Churches accepted it as an actual Gospel.

Second, there is the rule of legends. Put simply, it takes between 100 to 150 years for legends and anecdotal folklore to begin making their way into established culture. For example, the legend of George Washington and the cherry tree didn't begin to circulate until the late 1800's. The four Gospels were all written in less time than 100 years...most while survivors of those days were still around. (Mark, Matthew and John all knew Christ) And, according to Jewish law, if someone made a claim, and they were there, they could say "no, that's not the way it happened" if the account in question was a lie. It is quite significant that this did not happen.

Sorry for preaching, and apologies if I have offended. forgive me.

PS - I too have a tendency to believe in extraterrestrial life. Our God truly is an awesome (capable of inspiring awe) God, and there are no limits to what He can do or create.
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Thank the Lord that my parents aren't anything like that. One of my brother's friends is an atheist, which my parents aren't, and they still welcome him in. But I seriously despise parents like that. They need to learn how to accept other people's beliefs.
Thank the Lord that my parents aren't anything like that. One of my brother's friends is an atheist, which my parents aren't, and they still welcome him in. But I seriously despise parents like that. They need to learn how to accept other people's beliefs.
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Well I am a Christian, but I do not believe any parent or right person in mind should kick out there own children just because that child may have a different religion.

My parents split up when I was about 6 years old, and I've lived with my mother ever sense and visit my dad sometimes, I rarley go and visit him though that much anymore because of personal reasons.

My mom is a christian who was raised Baptist and we started going to a penacastal church and she loves it, we haven't been though in quite a while cause again of personal matter. She is not strict on what I watch on telivsion like for instance scary movies, she used to be when I was younger but when I got a little older I was more mature so she didn't mind. I love her so very much, she is such a wonderful mother.

I mean sometimes we fight here and there but all familys do. I couldn't trade her though for another other mother she is the best one there ever is in my eyes.

Im very sorry though of what has happend to you in the past, it gets better though in the future.
Well I am a Christian, but I do not believe any parent or right person in mind should kick out there own children just because that child may have a different religion.

My parents split up when I was about 6 years old, and I've lived with my mother ever sense and visit my dad sometimes, I rarley go and visit him though that much anymore because of personal reasons.

My mom is a christian who was raised Baptist and we started going to a penacastal church and she loves it, we haven't been though in quite a while cause again of personal matter. She is not strict on what I watch on telivsion like for instance scary movies, she used to be when I was younger but when I got a little older I was more mature so she didn't mind. I love her so very much, she is such a wonderful mother.

I mean sometimes we fight here and there but all familys do. I couldn't trade her though for another other mother she is the best one there ever is in my eyes.

Im very sorry though of what has happend to you in the past, it gets better though in the future.
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i totally agree with jigsaw thats horrible that these people would banish their children before their own beliefs, i know people have died for their beliefs but seriously you can only go so far. like the story in the bible where the dad nearly stabs the son to death because god told him to i hate that story, maybe im misinterpretting or misread the story but it just reminds me that basically im very glad my parents arnt like that :/

i wish you the best of luck though i guess adapting to situations is better than going against them in some circumstances and you were the bigger man in this situation i'd say, you're doing well you seem like a strong character so keep it up your doign a good job
i totally agree with jigsaw thats horrible that these people would banish their children before their own beliefs, i know people have died for their beliefs but seriously you can only go so far. like the story in the bible where the dad nearly stabs the son to death because god told him to i hate that story, maybe im misinterpretting or misread the story but it just reminds me that basically im very glad my parents arnt like that :/

i wish you the best of luck though i guess adapting to situations is better than going against them in some circumstances and you were the bigger man in this situation i'd say, you're doing well you seem like a strong character so keep it up your doign a good job
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Messed up thats what that is Im Christian but my moms makes me be super offical with it
except with metal music thats the only thing that she will let me do thats kinda an issue with the religon
Messed up thats what that is Im Christian but my moms makes me be super offical with it
except with metal music thats the only thing that she will let me do thats kinda an issue with the religon
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I think that people should be accepting to others views. I am more agnostic when I think of it. I have friends of all religions and family members of many religions. I don't believe what your mother did was right. No main religion is truly bad, it's the extreme people that will spoil it for everyone. I believe that religion can be a good thing if not taken to that extreme.
I think that people should be accepting to others views. I am more agnostic when I think of it. I have friends of all religions and family members of many religions. I don't believe what your mother did was right. No main religion is truly bad, it's the extreme people that will spoil it for everyone. I believe that religion can be a good thing if not taken to that extreme.
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