Just remember, in the political spectrum there is almost no difference between extreme liberals and extreme conservatives.

Ahhhha finnaly somthing I can talk about. (here it is) ELARA... I disagree with you Quit generalizing (arg arg) Or else I may just have to get mad and say somthing I would regret. There are lots of differences. FOR intance, White and black are different, yet still colors? Are not the wind and water different and yet they both erode rocks? Hmmmm WHat am i saying.

Well alot of poeple say Rush Limbaugh is an extremist and he is far far different than the other extremests. Aka Micahel MOore, Whoopi Goldberg, George CLoony ETC ETC

I will say this, Samuel L. Jackson used to be like my favorite person ever till I heard him talk polotics.... Ewwww, Where do these Hollywood people get thier information? I am just glad that there is a balance between the right and the left actors. On the other hand if the Conservative actors say somthing like... I love Bush, They probably won't be hired for a while(generalization) Hollywood is controlled by those who would see the moral and social degeneration of our country.... Thats all I have to say about that.


"The subtle manifestations of a degenerate society are two-fold, first the ruling class no longer cares about the proletariat, and second, the proletariat no longer cares"

--------------------------------------Note about the Quote, I didn't originate that(it was in a book about revolution)and I don't know if its 100% ture. I had to find out what the meaning of Proletariat was. It sounds pretty intellegent though huh?

"The true measure of a man is how he treats somone who can't do anything for him." ------------- A common wise saying (and is prettymuch 100% True)

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Originally posted by MichaelVash7886

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Also the robot would lose. Remember in Mega Man couldn't robots not hurt humans?

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Just had to note this. True, robots aren't allowed to kill humans, but Vile was different. He's evil, like Sigma. He can kill humans if he so chooses.

And I realize Glenn isn't conservative. I just needed a funny picture to put in there. And at least there's one conservative in there.

I didn't know who he was and I never really heard of him.

And I found it funny that John was on the LEFT side of the picture. Hmm could John be hiding something?

Originally posted by MichaelVash7886

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I didn't know who he was and I never really heard of him.

And I found it funny that John was on the LEFT side of the picture. Hmm could John be hiding something?

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you weirdo i'm on the right side. Glenny is on the left. IDK how you could get us 2 mixed up

I thought that you meant that Glenn was on the wrong side as in on the right side of the picture. It would be funny if you were on the left TP maybe you should flip the picture with some type of program.

Zylo, all the people you mentioned are not extremists. I actually learned that about politics in high school from my civics teacher (who was devoutly Christian and conservative, yet still a cool guy).

I will give my example:
Stalin & Hitler

Joseph Stalin, and all of the original leaders of the Soviet Union after the fall of the Czar were extreme liberals. Communism is extreme liberalism.

Adolf Hitler, and as well as the Nazis, Mussolini, and all other Facists were extreme conservatives.

Both of them did very bad things, including mass murders. There methods were very simular, if not identical, but basis of their ideas were very different.

the extreme in anything isn't good.... whether politics or diet or exercise or sex or drugs or religion... extreme in any of these things is bad...

it's all about moderation and compromise.... nothing else works as well

WOW I havn't heard generalization and crayness like that ELARA since the last time John posted.


Bah humbug Stalin WAS a radical. IF you are going to name them conservative and liberal be more specific on what your talking about. MASS MURDER IS what radical liberals do? Liberals in what sense? I thougt they were compassionanate and wanted to save baby seals, not kill millions VIA starvations. Conservatives (By the american political sense of the word) don't support anything that hiltler did. Hitler virtually controlled everything in the country. Conservatives think goverment should stay out of as many things as they can. Were liberals or Conservatives trying to kill Terry SChivo? Do the radical conservatives think we should kill all the retarded peoples? All the people who arn't white? I'm sorry I just can't draw the same comparisons. If you are talking about somthing else and I'm misconstruing things then please tell me. I would agree with GEeogree though

Wow Zylo, you really don't try to comprehend what I say to you at all do you?

Let me put this simply: extreme liberal/conservative = radical liberal/conservative. Liberal means "wants change", conservative means "doesn't want change". Stalin and Hilter were both radicals. That is what I said. Or, to be more exact, that is what my teacher said (who, as I stated before, is a bible-thumping religious right-wing conservative... yet a hell of a lot more plesant and understanding than you act). No offense, you've just chosen a bad time to irritate me with your continued ignorance.

And yes, some radical conservatives do want to kill everyone who isn't white. Ever heard of the Klu Klux Klan? They're radical conservatives... or have you had your head in the ground so long you forgot that?

I did not mention Terri Schiavo, and she has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make so leave the poor woman out of it.

Also, America did not join WWII until after Pearl Harbor, because we didn't want to get involved. Most people then did not know what Hilter was doing to the Jewish and other "non-Aryan" people, so back then he was not seen as the monster he was today. In fact, Bush's own grandfather made money off dealing with the Nazis. Read for yourself.

And to some it up, all of it is basically proving geeogree's point. Extreme is bad. You should try listening to that, since half of your comments come off sounding extreme.

You know why? Becuase our liberal president didn't want to get a bad rap for the war. And you can't just say ooooh the KKK were conservatives, so boo on conservatives. They were racists. Don't put generalizations like that out there. Ummm another thing. Did anyone hear President Bush's comments on Terri Schiavo? If you would have you would have seen when he said (not a direct quote... but its pretty close) 'We want to preserve a culture of life' or something like that. Basicly he was saying that it was wrong to kill the innocent in his speach. The strong need to help the weak. Thats really the root of many conservative decisions.

okay, the conservatives in this thread need to back off of Elara....

I'm conservative and I haven't taken offence to what she has said... she has been reasonable and fair in what she has said... and so far I haven't seen her bash conservatives any more than liberals...

if you would read what she said... she is refering to the EXTREMES! of both of these parties.... saying that either extreme is bad....

the KKK reference is just to show another extreme group that is bad.... that's all..

you "conservative" guys need to chill out a little bit

Yeah Geeo you are right. And despite what others may try to say, Elara is right about the KKK. She is also right about Stalin and Hitler. I can't remember exactly which side which was on, but even if she is wrong about that part of it I do remember they were on opposite sides. Oh and last semester my history professor told us the extreme liberals are called Radicals and the extreme Conservatives are called Reactionists. But if you look at the French Revolution you will see the extremes. I don't really know if any of us are as extreme as they were. If you guys really want I can check my notes on the French Revolution.

Well if your talking about me, i didn't think i was beatn' up on her. I was just talking. gesh

Lol, I got too lazy to read all these. I believe myself to be a "liberalitarian(major sp?)". I don't think putting together major conservatives and major liberals would be the best idea for "balance". However, both sides do have their good points, but the extremes of both sides just refuse to budge on somet things :/

First of all I think Elara needs to back off of the flaming. Is it her or me who continually flames? The point I was trying to make is, she said that radical conservatives and radical Liberals were one and the same. In which she is wrong. She used words that are slang for the Amercan polotics and to somone who just knew the definition of the words would be totally confused. She wasn't drawing a line, clear or otherwise between the American slang and the Dictionary meaning.

*****Let me put this simply: extreme liberal/conservative = radical liberal/conservative. Liberal means "wants change", conservative means "doesn't want change". Stalin and Hilter were both radicals. That is what I said. Or, to be more exact, that is what my teacher said (who, as I stated before, is a bible-thumping religious right-wing conservative... yet a hell of a lot more plesant and understanding than you act). No offense, you've just chosen a bad time to irritate me with your continued ignorance.
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I'm not trying to get anyone mad, I am just calmly debating as the forum title would suggest. Liberal means want change and conservative means doesn't want change? Your contradicting yourself. The KKK is based off of hate and ignorance. Not any semblence of reasonable thought. I laid down a clear and distinguishable line between hitler and Stalin and all you can do is flame and get mad at people, calling them names. I don't think anyone in this thread is being abused and if they take offense to debate...

*******Just remember, in the political spectrum there is almost no difference between extreme liberals and extreme conservatives*********

That qoute is all I'm debating right now. Almost no difference? The difference between Hitler and Stalin was night and day. You say they both killed millions? Phah I eat food just like you too and that doesn't mean we have almost no difference. Even though they both had controlling goverments they're were many differences in the way they did things, why they did things, and the specific things they did. (That might not have made sense)

When you made your statement, I assumed you were talking about conservative and liberal in the American politics sense of the words. Both Hitler, and Stalin caused HUUGE amount of changes and revolution in both thier countries. SO according to your definition they were both Liberals?

Zylo one was conservative one was liberal as I said I forgot which was which. But her point was that the people out on the very very far right and the very very far left are not very good to have. Her point was both took over their countries and killed mass amounts of people. Her point inferred at least I think and if not it will be my point is the people who we think of as extreme liberals/conservatives here (on the board and in this country) aren't really even close to the extremes they could be.

Sigh, I still think you are arguing about the wrong thing. No one is arguing that taking things to extremes is a good thing, No one is arguing that hitler and Stalin killed millions of people, No one is ARGUINg the KKK Killed alot of people and also intimidated them.

***Her point inferred at least I think and if not it will be my point is the people who we think of as extreme liberals/conservatives here (on the board and in this country) aren't really even close to the extremes they could be.*** Vash

***Just remember, in the political spectrum there is almost no difference between extreme liberals and extreme conservatives.*** Elara

I think Elara is talking about the American Political spectrum, and I don't think that was her point. Don't run when no one is chasing you.

Originally posted by Elara

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Zylo, all the people you mentioned are not extremists. I actually learned that about politics in high school from my civics teacher (who was devoutly Christian and conservative, yet still a cool guy).

I will give my example:
Stalin & Hitler

Joseph Stalin, and all of the original leaders of the Soviet Union after the fall of the Czar were extreme liberals. Communism is extreme liberalism.

Adolf Hitler, and as well as the Nazis, Mussolini, and all other Facists were extreme conservatives.

Both of them did very bad things, including mass murders. There methods were very simular, if not identical, but basis of their ideas were very different.

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umm sorry but i find this to be misleading. Like zylo hinted at Hitler had control of everything because thats what dictators USUALLY do and well conservatives believe that they should not be contolling everything. They believe expanding the government is bad and that it should not happen. Liberals believe that the government should have influence in everything and that could be apart of communism but it will be radicalists.