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06-15-16 03:59 PM
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kennyg420 : It's actually better to conceal. Having your favorite handcannon strapped to your hip in plain view has potential to make you a target. If an attacker has to guess whether or not the puppy has teeth, they're more likely to feel you out. If it's on display, they can just get a cheap shot in from behind, steal your piece and fence it for a fix. LunarDarkness2 : let me reiterate what I stated above: taking away legal firearms does not dry up the black market. A lot of people here are comparing the U.S. to certain Asian, Scandinavian and European countries where gun control has been fairly successful. The deciding factor in this debate is culture. The reason there aren't many guns in the countries that have all but banned them is because there's no demand. The people are OK with the idea of not having a gun and criminals look to other means to do what they do. In the U.S., there will ALWAYS be demand for firearms because it's part of our culture. If there's demand, there will always be someone more than happy to supply. Drugs are illegal, but people sell them and do them. Under age drinking is illegal, but teens get drunk and party all the time. Prostitution is illegal, but I think I can safely assume that there will always be entrepreneurial spirit, and that men will be men. The examples go on. imamonster : I WIn Also : See my reply to Lunar. LunarDarkness2 : let me reiterate what I stated above: taking away legal firearms does not dry up the black market. A lot of people here are comparing the U.S. to certain Asian, Scandinavian and European countries where gun control has been fairly successful. The deciding factor in this debate is culture. The reason there aren't many guns in the countries that have all but banned them is because there's no demand. The people are OK with the idea of not having a gun and criminals look to other means to do what they do. In the U.S., there will ALWAYS be demand for firearms because it's part of our culture. If there's demand, there will always be someone more than happy to supply. Drugs are illegal, but people sell them and do them. Under age drinking is illegal, but teens get drunk and party all the time. Prostitution is illegal, but I think I can safely assume that there will always be entrepreneurial spirit, and that men will be men. The examples go on. imamonster : I WIn Also : See my reply to Lunar. |
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m0ssb3rg935 : Oldschool777 : I've slightly changed my opinion on this based on what you all said. Instead of taking away firearms completely, let's try to not make them so freaking easy to get. It's not that hard to get a gun. We need thourough background checks and the like. Don't make guns so easy to obtain. Oldschool777 : I've slightly changed my opinion on this based on what you all said. Instead of taking away firearms completely, let's try to not make them so freaking easy to get. It's not that hard to get a gun. We need thourough background checks and the like. Don't make guns so easy to obtain. |
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Lunar,I am glad to see that. As for what sparked this,that Orlando shooter,if people on a watch or suspect list are on it,they should not have a gun. When most people want to make guns harder to obtain,they make a criminal's job safer. Millions own guns and gasp...did nothing illegal with them. |
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LunarDarkness2 : See, I'm willing to compromise on that. Obviously, depending on what they were charged and/or convicted with, people with a criminal record shouldn't have a gun. There should also be a statute of limitation, though. If some jolly 65 year old that did something stupid in his youth want's to buy himself a scattergun to keep next to the recliner because he lives in a bad neighborhood or if he wants to buy himself something to go bag some game with in the winter, even a little pocket pea shooter to take with him to the food court down the road because he's an easy target, he should be able to. People with a long history of mental or emotional distress or instability, especially those who've been given certain kinds of medication, should be very, very, VERY thoroughly examined. However, my point still stands. It won't clean up Detroit or Chicago because people in that line of work couldn't give two craps less about what's illegal. Like I said, it's just occupational hazard. |
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In other countries gun bans might work. But here in America I would not trust the police or National Guard as the only ones to be allowed weapons. In America we have a lot of corrupt officers. Officers have shot unarmed people. Every time we turn on the news it just seems like lots of Cops get into trouble. In my Area we have had a Sheriff get arrested for drug running, several officers charged with rape, a few charged with child porn, others for drug trafficking, and excessive force. Nationally it seems there are a lot of bad cops. Now I know there a lot of good cops out there who try and do a good job and I support them. So its almost like we can't trust the police here in America. Also the national guard only being allowed weapons is scary due to what happened in 1970. The National Guard opened fire on Vietnam Protesters killing several and wounding a lot. People think the govt would never turn them are naive. It has happened in other countries. I'm sure people in Cambodia in the 70's and 80's never dreamed that the military would turn on them and people would be executed in masses by Pol Pot and his forces. This event is known as the killing fields. I also don't think a complete gun ban would work in America. First of all there are too many guns to round up. . Second, gang bangers would not turn theirs in neither would criminals. Third 80% of Americans oppose a complete ban on all weapons. Fourth, it would be another bloody civil war if the govt tried to ban them. Also in America gun deaths are not even in the top 10. You are 10x more likely to die due to medial error/malpractice as they claim 320,000 people per year. In 2014 here are gun stats 33,000 people died at the hands of guns, 16,000 of those were suicides 10,000 of those was ruled to be self defense 7,0000 of those was done by gangsters, criminals, terrorist etc It Should be interesting to know the US murder rate is 9/100,000 people. However if you were to take away Los Angeles, Chicago, DC, Baltimore, New Orleans, Oakland and Detroit then America's murder rate would be 6/100,000 people. Also another myth is the US leads the World in gun deaths. Not that is not true according to fact check sites. Russia, Mexico, India, Honduras, Brazil, Venezuela, Guatemala, and Pakistan outrank the US in gun deaths. Compared to Developed nations: The US ranks 2nd Russia ranked 1st Norway was #3. As for America being the highest murder rate. That is false here are countries with much higher rates. Honduras murder rate 98/100,000 people 1 out of 10 people here get killed Venezuela Murder rate 94/100,000 people Guatemala Murder Rate 81/100,000 people South Africa Murder rate 79/100,000 people Pakistan Murder Rate 70/100,000 people Mexico Murder Rate 60/100,000 people Russia Murder Rate 50/100,000 people Also the national guard only being allowed weapons is scary due to what happened in 1970. The National Guard opened fire on Vietnam Protesters killing several and wounding a lot. People think the govt would never turn them are naive. It has happened in other countries. I'm sure people in Cambodia in the 70's and 80's never dreamed that the military would turn on them and people would be executed in masses by Pol Pot and his forces. This event is known as the killing fields. I also don't think a complete gun ban would work in America. First of all there are too many guns to round up. . Second, gang bangers would not turn theirs in neither would criminals. Third 80% of Americans oppose a complete ban on all weapons. Fourth, it would be another bloody civil war if the govt tried to ban them. Also in America gun deaths are not even in the top 10. You are 10x more likely to die due to medial error/malpractice as they claim 320,000 people per year. In 2014 here are gun stats 33,000 people died at the hands of guns, 16,000 of those were suicides 10,000 of those was ruled to be self defense 7,0000 of those was done by gangsters, criminals, terrorist etc It Should be interesting to know the US murder rate is 9/100,000 people. However if you were to take away Los Angeles, Chicago, DC, Baltimore, New Orleans, Oakland and Detroit then America's murder rate would be 6/100,000 people. Also another myth is the US leads the World in gun deaths. Not that is not true according to fact check sites. Russia, Mexico, India, Honduras, Brazil, Venezuela, Guatemala, and Pakistan outrank the US in gun deaths. Compared to Developed nations: The US ranks 2nd Russia ranked 1st Norway was #3. As for America being the highest murder rate. That is false here are countries with much higher rates. Honduras murder rate 98/100,000 people 1 out of 10 people here get killed Venezuela Murder rate 94/100,000 people Guatemala Murder Rate 81/100,000 people South Africa Murder rate 79/100,000 people Pakistan Murder Rate 70/100,000 people Mexico Murder Rate 60/100,000 people Russia Murder Rate 50/100,000 people |
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06-15-16 10:00 PM
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I forgot to add Researchers and Fact Checkers looked at gun laws and they found some interesting things. In America states and cities with strict gun control. Gun deaths did go down. But it did not reduce crime. As Rape, robberies, assaults, and murder were unchanged. Suicide did not go down as ropes, pills and other means Then they looked at countries with almost gun bans like Australia, Sweden, Finland, and Britain. Gun deaths went down a lot. But in Australia and Britain's case gun deaths went down. But rape, assaults and murders increased. What they found was knives Researchers and fact checkers looked at America states with lax gun laws. Gun deaths did not spike as one would think. But they didn't go down either. Also violent crime was left unchanged it stayed the same. But in the states of Utah, Wyoming, Kansas and West Virginia violent crime steadily decreased. The fact checkers concluded that while gun control reduced gun deaths. It did not have a significant impact on violent crime and suicides. They also found relaxed gun laws did not cause a spike in gun deaths but didn't lower them. Crime left unchanged. In America states and cities with strict gun control. Gun deaths did go down. But it did not reduce crime. As Rape, robberies, assaults, and murder were unchanged. Suicide did not go down as ropes, pills and other means Then they looked at countries with almost gun bans like Australia, Sweden, Finland, and Britain. Gun deaths went down a lot. But in Australia and Britain's case gun deaths went down. But rape, assaults and murders increased. What they found was knives Researchers and fact checkers looked at America states with lax gun laws. Gun deaths did not spike as one would think. But they didn't go down either. Also violent crime was left unchanged it stayed the same. But in the states of Utah, Wyoming, Kansas and West Virginia violent crime steadily decreased. The fact checkers concluded that while gun control reduced gun deaths. It did not have a significant impact on violent crime and suicides. They also found relaxed gun laws did not cause a spike in gun deaths but didn't lower them. Crime left unchanged. |
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Well i'd be arrested... simple as that in the UK I honestly don't really have a strong for or against opinion honestly... Simply because most crime that is recorded is mostly down to poverty... or people that simply aren't in the right state of mind. If you grew up around a country that has gun control... Great... If you grew up around a country that didn't have gun control... Great.. It's not the weapon that makes a killer.. .It's the person themselves... Though if i was being completely truthful, If i saw someone walking around with a loaded gun.. It wouldn't make me feel safer.. it'd make me feel uneasy and unsafe... but that's just the culture i grew up with. I honestly don't really have a strong for or against opinion honestly... Simply because most crime that is recorded is mostly down to poverty... or people that simply aren't in the right state of mind. If you grew up around a country that has gun control... Great... If you grew up around a country that didn't have gun control... Great.. It's not the weapon that makes a killer.. .It's the person themselves... Though if i was being completely truthful, If i saw someone walking around with a loaded gun.. It wouldn't make me feel safer.. it'd make me feel uneasy and unsafe... but that's just the culture i grew up with. |
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Let's say it's illegal to carry a loaded gun. People who cannot legally carry a loaded gun will be defenseless against everyone who is carrying a loaded gun illegally. |
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If everyone or almost everyone, there wouldn't be mass shootings, because people would kill the shooter. This problem could also be fixed by having no one have guns. However, both of these potential solutions have downsides: If everyone has guns, killings would decrease, but I suspect abuse would occur and go under the radar of law enforcement. If no one has guns, then if at some point the government oversteps its boundaries and takes control out of the hands of the people, then the people have no ability to fight the government. Also, the black market for guns would thrive, as well as be totally unregulated (similar to the illegal drug market). Personally, I have no opinion on whether guns should be universal or banned or regulated. I don't own guns, I would own a gun to keep in my house for protection, but I would not be totally disappointed if the government banned guns, though I would be highly suspicious. This problem could also be fixed by having no one have guns. However, both of these potential solutions have downsides: If everyone has guns, killings would decrease, but I suspect abuse would occur and go under the radar of law enforcement. If no one has guns, then if at some point the government oversteps its boundaries and takes control out of the hands of the people, then the people have no ability to fight the government. Also, the black market for guns would thrive, as well as be totally unregulated (similar to the illegal drug market). Personally, I have no opinion on whether guns should be universal or banned or regulated. I don't own guns, I would own a gun to keep in my house for protection, but I would not be totally disappointed if the government banned guns, though I would be highly suspicious. |
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I am all up for guns and will start working in getting my gun as soon as possible. I want it to defend myself and my family and heck I don't trust this shady government not one bit they are all snakes and disgusting politicians. This isn't as bad as Venezuela but, certainly a concern of the lack of equal justice and privileges so, yes would like to have a few guns. However, I do think there are evil people out there that become extremely dangerous with a gun in hand. Those people have no business carrying one ever. The only way to stop them is if you actually want to stop them which I don't see that happening in this country anytime soon. There a lot of senseless crimes going on and it's just sad but, I stand no chance against most human beings so the only thing giving me a chance of survival in any attack is a gun or other weapon. However, the more powerful the weapon the more restrictions it should have and should require a special psychological test to be passed before such weapon can be purchased and there should be a very clear and detailed reason as to why it was purchased, when it was purchased, and where the money came from- it won't stop all psychos but, certainly something better than a 7 minute checkout of an automatic riffle. |
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Ultrajeff : Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of another human, popping off 3 rounds in Joe's chest because he pulled a gun on someone is legal thus not murder. However, going into Joe's house at 3 a.m and unloading your .45 into his throat whilst he is a |
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In a perfect society, everyone would be armed with a gun at all times. You can put all these regulations and restrictions in place but the bottom line is this: If a criminal wants to get a gun, they will. And if they decided to start shooting people, the only thing that can stop them is someone else at the scene that also has a gun. The average response time of a 911 call is 23 minutes. If no one else at the scene is armed, a shooter can do a lot of damage in 23 minutes. However if someone else at the scene IS armed, that 23 minutes shrinks to 23 seconds. |
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Guns are not only used to feed one's family, but also to protect yourself from the government and other threats both foreign and domestic. As for gun control I guess I'm on the fence about it. Should there be more background checks? (probably) But at the same time guns can still be bought illegally just as most street drugs are. Sure a machine guns isn't the proper tool for hunting, but it has its purpose elsewhere. *Edit: Part of my original post wasn't there when I submitted, I dunno what happened* *Edit: Part of my original post wasn't there when I submitted, I dunno what happened* |
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jlove92 : I agree with your post mostly, but I do have a couple nitpicks. The psych tests would be a good idea, but it all depends on who's doing the testing. The whole thing with having to have a decent reason is also flawed in the same way as the psych tests in that a governing authority, likely the one that we're so distrusting of (and rightly so) could just turn around and move the goalpost. In an extreme (but not unthinkable) scenario, they could easily classify you as mentally unfit to own arms only for being a political opponent and say you haven't a good enough reason because they are in control of the standards. Also, it's technically "semi-automatic", but like I said, just a nitpick. Ultrajeff : I can safely say that the only way you could gain propulsion through the discharge of a firearm would be to use something very, very powerful and unwieldy, and you'd likely hurt yourself in the process as a result of the ridiculously extreme recoil... However, your point was not lost on me. A better example would be that firearms are also used for recreational and competitive shooting. Ultrajeff : I can safely say that the only way you could gain propulsion through the discharge of a firearm would be to use something very, very powerful and unwieldy, and you'd likely hurt yourself in the process as a result of the ridiculously extreme recoil... However, your point was not lost on me. A better example would be that firearms are also used for recreational and competitive shooting. |
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When I was younger I always imagined I would get a license to carry and keep it with me always. Now however I'm not so sure, guns cause so many problems in the United States, do I really want to contribute to the NRA by buying a gun? On the other hand crime is rampant where I live, and having a gun would make me feel safer at night. I guess that makes me neutral, however I'd personally rather not live in a gun owning Country we couldn't even take on our Government if we wanted to. Now however I'm not so sure, guns cause so many problems in the United States, do I really want to contribute to the NRA by buying a gun? On the other hand crime is rampant where I live, and having a gun would make me feel safer at night. I guess that makes me neutral, however I'd personally rather not live in a gun owning Country we couldn't even take on our Government if we wanted to. |
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I think it's almost sad to say but it's starting to become a necessity in certain parts of America, especially at night. I'd rather not have to but I think I will end up carrying one eventually. |
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