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Nintendo patents new handheld...or is it a new controller?

 

09-22-15 05:34 AM
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Hmm....this looks similar to a super Nintendo controller...I dunno why that was the first thing that pops into my head. It could be a new handheld or a controller. At this point I don't want to assume many things, so I am going to have to wait this one out a little. Funny, how this is reminding me of a controller more than a handheld.
Hmm....this looks similar to a super Nintendo controller...I dunno why that was the first thing that pops into my head. It could be a new handheld or a controller. At this point I don't want to assume many things, so I am going to have to wait this one out a little. Funny, how this is reminding me of a controller more than a handheld.
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09-23-15 12:36 PM
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Jordanv78 : I'll admit you have a point but I think the Wii did so well because it was a hit with casual gamers and that was one of the reasons they didn't need to have as much 3rd party support with the Wii. Now Nintendo is losing that demographic to sony and microsoft because they have much more variety. And there have still been 3rd party games that did well, like Resident Evil, Monster Hunter, Skylanders, Just Dance (and those last two are clearly intended mainly for casual audiences) for a few examples.

But since Nintendo no longer has that market cornered they need to find ways to appeal to gamers and more 3rd party support I think is key (as well as stronger launch lineups though no console has done well in that regard) Like Eirinn I'm not saying it will make Nintendo suddenly surpass sony or microsoft but it's to still stay competetive in terms of home consoles.

I would actually argue that the Wii U is not that cheap considering it's age. Yes it's still the cheapest of the three but it's not by much compared to the PS4 and XB1 considering the specs (granted that can vary from area to area), and the gamepad, which is what makes the console itself different isn't going to convince most people as it isn't utilised enough to justify the price it adds, another reason why it's not going to seem very attractive to a lot of people who aren't nintendo veterans. Even big games like smash bros, can only do so much in terms of sales. Nintendo should still try to do things a bit differently, but just being different doesn't automatically mean it's good. They have to really utilise what makes the console different as well (which they haven't really for the most part, especially early on), and not do it on the expense of things like no 3rd party support at all. It's hindering sales more than it's helping really. In that case the gamepad would've been better of as an optional add on instead.

As for the fanboys. The Xbox 360 had a lot of "fanboys" and outsold the PS3, yet a lot of people didn't really hesitate on jumping on the PS4 in stead this console generation. I mean same goes if you compares the sales of the original Wii and the Wii U. Unless it's one of those exceptions where someone will buy a single console just for a single exclusive (and those people are far from casual gamers and make up a pretty small part of buyers) I'm pretty sure they can be swayed.

But this is only what I think and you don't seem to see it in the same way I do.

Eirinn : Well that's what I was referring to when I said "keeping high quality". Unfortunately nintendo releases so far like Pokemon Shuffle have been loaded with micro transactions but they've also mostly been free so that's probably part of the reason. I feel that Nintendo could have the opportunity to lead the way for mobile gaming in terms of improving quality and make it be taken more seriously by hardcore gamers, though wheter they actually do that if they start to focus on mobile gaming seems questionable either way they'd likely make a ton of money as there will always be people willing to spend huge amounts of money.
Jordanv78 : I'll admit you have a point but I think the Wii did so well because it was a hit with casual gamers and that was one of the reasons they didn't need to have as much 3rd party support with the Wii. Now Nintendo is losing that demographic to sony and microsoft because they have much more variety. And there have still been 3rd party games that did well, like Resident Evil, Monster Hunter, Skylanders, Just Dance (and those last two are clearly intended mainly for casual audiences) for a few examples.

But since Nintendo no longer has that market cornered they need to find ways to appeal to gamers and more 3rd party support I think is key (as well as stronger launch lineups though no console has done well in that regard) Like Eirinn I'm not saying it will make Nintendo suddenly surpass sony or microsoft but it's to still stay competetive in terms of home consoles.

I would actually argue that the Wii U is not that cheap considering it's age. Yes it's still the cheapest of the three but it's not by much compared to the PS4 and XB1 considering the specs (granted that can vary from area to area), and the gamepad, which is what makes the console itself different isn't going to convince most people as it isn't utilised enough to justify the price it adds, another reason why it's not going to seem very attractive to a lot of people who aren't nintendo veterans. Even big games like smash bros, can only do so much in terms of sales. Nintendo should still try to do things a bit differently, but just being different doesn't automatically mean it's good. They have to really utilise what makes the console different as well (which they haven't really for the most part, especially early on), and not do it on the expense of things like no 3rd party support at all. It's hindering sales more than it's helping really. In that case the gamepad would've been better of as an optional add on instead.

As for the fanboys. The Xbox 360 had a lot of "fanboys" and outsold the PS3, yet a lot of people didn't really hesitate on jumping on the PS4 in stead this console generation. I mean same goes if you compares the sales of the original Wii and the Wii U. Unless it's one of those exceptions where someone will buy a single console just for a single exclusive (and those people are far from casual gamers and make up a pretty small part of buyers) I'm pretty sure they can be swayed.

But this is only what I think and you don't seem to see it in the same way I do.

Eirinn : Well that's what I was referring to when I said "keeping high quality". Unfortunately nintendo releases so far like Pokemon Shuffle have been loaded with micro transactions but they've also mostly been free so that's probably part of the reason. I feel that Nintendo could have the opportunity to lead the way for mobile gaming in terms of improving quality and make it be taken more seriously by hardcore gamers, though wheter they actually do that if they start to focus on mobile gaming seems questionable either way they'd likely make a ton of money as there will always be people willing to spend huge amounts of money.
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09-23-15 07:51 PM
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Zlinqx : True. I mean we have seen examples of serious hardcore games in the mobile market already. Zenonia 3 is a perfect example of this, it's a 16-32 bit style hardcore Action RPG. I don't think anyone would question whether I'm a hardcore gamer or not (lol) and I enjoyed it so much that I played the game through twice. And to my knowledge Zenonia had five entries in it's series, so it had a market to be sure.
Also myself and some other Vizzed users are making an entry on mobile that will be a serious title. So yes, there is that potential. Still I much prefer dedicated hardware with consistent specs and actual buttons. lol

And if Nintendo even does this new system halfway right, I fully plan to buy it. Fingers crossed they come through for an old fan who needs a boost in faith in them.



Also on a side note, I know people say it a lot, but the PlayStation fan side of me can't help but point out that the Xbox 360 actually didn't outsell the PS3. It was close, but the PS3 actually managed to barely outsell the 360 consistently in the end of year totals for each of it's eight years. Still, it was too close for comfort, and a huge difference from the PS2 vs. Xbox and PS4 vs. Xbox One sales.
Zlinqx : True. I mean we have seen examples of serious hardcore games in the mobile market already. Zenonia 3 is a perfect example of this, it's a 16-32 bit style hardcore Action RPG. I don't think anyone would question whether I'm a hardcore gamer or not (lol) and I enjoyed it so much that I played the game through twice. And to my knowledge Zenonia had five entries in it's series, so it had a market to be sure.
Also myself and some other Vizzed users are making an entry on mobile that will be a serious title. So yes, there is that potential. Still I much prefer dedicated hardware with consistent specs and actual buttons. lol

And if Nintendo even does this new system halfway right, I fully plan to buy it. Fingers crossed they come through for an old fan who needs a boost in faith in them.



Also on a side note, I know people say it a lot, but the PlayStation fan side of me can't help but point out that the Xbox 360 actually didn't outsell the PS3. It was close, but the PS3 actually managed to barely outsell the 360 consistently in the end of year totals for each of it's eight years. Still, it was too close for comfort, and a huge difference from the PS2 vs. Xbox and PS4 vs. Xbox One sales.
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Oh wow... I can't believe I'm just now seeing this thread. This is quite interesting. I bet you anything once it's released though it will have some type of importance or be useful to us game players in some way ... but who knows it might just be a side thing that most people wouldn't even need. Nintendo has come up with some crazy things in the past year... some crazy good things might I add but there is always a point where they make something that isn't quite so good. I guess only time will tell and we will see the outcome soon enough :d I mean not saying that only nintendo make things that aren't quite so good but I mean tons of people do that... there is always that downfall but hopefully this will be something great!
Oh wow... I can't believe I'm just now seeing this thread. This is quite interesting. I bet you anything once it's released though it will have some type of importance or be useful to us game players in some way ... but who knows it might just be a side thing that most people wouldn't even need. Nintendo has come up with some crazy things in the past year... some crazy good things might I add but there is always a point where they make something that isn't quite so good. I guess only time will tell and we will see the outcome soon enough :d I mean not saying that only nintendo make things that aren't quite so good but I mean tons of people do that... there is always that downfall but hopefully this will be something great!
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