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06-29-15 04:31 PM
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As probably the only active Swedish guy on the boards, I felt it was kind of my duty to make a thread about this since I discovered it... Just... Watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeiLMrvKoc8

Yup that guy just compared Sweden to North Korea and the Soviet Union...

To be honest, this mostly made me laugh incredibly hard when I first watched it as did other people when I showed it to them, but at the same time it makes me kind of worried. I don't know just how big RWW News is in the US, because I don't live there but from my understanding it's somewhat popular, so I feel like I needed to call out this program on just how wrong it is. To anyone living in the US I can assure you that in Sweden we do in fact have freedom of speech  and as someone who has political opinions that deviates from the norm, you can make controversial statements without things getting "really unpleasant, really quickly" from what I've seen in other parts of the world we seem to have some of the highest levels of political freedom in the world actually, and that's one of the reasons I do enjoy living here.

Don't get me wrong Sweden is by no means a perfect country, but no country is, and comparing us to North Korea or the Soviet Union is ridiculous.

What's more is the one Swedish person they actually talked to is an ultra conservative so I'm not really surprised they'd be displeased with the current situation in Sweden considering the political struggle for power is mainly between liberals and socialists.

I hope no person on here actually watches this program or this segment and takes it seriously, if you do I implore you to stop doing so.
As probably the only active Swedish guy on the boards, I felt it was kind of my duty to make a thread about this since I discovered it... Just... Watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeiLMrvKoc8

Yup that guy just compared Sweden to North Korea and the Soviet Union...

To be honest, this mostly made me laugh incredibly hard when I first watched it as did other people when I showed it to them, but at the same time it makes me kind of worried. I don't know just how big RWW News is in the US, because I don't live there but from my understanding it's somewhat popular, so I feel like I needed to call out this program on just how wrong it is. To anyone living in the US I can assure you that in Sweden we do in fact have freedom of speech  and as someone who has political opinions that deviates from the norm, you can make controversial statements without things getting "really unpleasant, really quickly" from what I've seen in other parts of the world we seem to have some of the highest levels of political freedom in the world actually, and that's one of the reasons I do enjoy living here.

Don't get me wrong Sweden is by no means a perfect country, but no country is, and comparing us to North Korea or the Soviet Union is ridiculous.

What's more is the one Swedish person they actually talked to is an ultra conservative so I'm not really surprised they'd be displeased with the current situation in Sweden considering the political struggle for power is mainly between liberals and socialists.

I hope no person on here actually watches this program or this segment and takes it seriously, if you do I implore you to stop doing so.
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Is that Pat Buchanan? I guess ragging on my Canada for not submitting to America enough didn't satisfy him.

And this video is a joke. Free speech exists in Sweden- it is endemic in (most of) the developed world? However, it doesn't guarantee getting shielded from criticism. Don't like it? Too bad, suck it up, at least it's not like North Korea of the USSR where speaking against state positions is/was likely to get you killed.

As for the "appearance", Sweden is cold. The buildings have to be designed warmly- lots of concrete. You see it anywhere with a cold climate. It's not about control.

And no, Sweden will not become a third world country anytime soon- no developed nation will. Look at how a nation BECOMES a developed one and see how difficult it would be for that process to reverse.
Is that Pat Buchanan? I guess ragging on my Canada for not submitting to America enough didn't satisfy him.

And this video is a joke. Free speech exists in Sweden- it is endemic in (most of) the developed world? However, it doesn't guarantee getting shielded from criticism. Don't like it? Too bad, suck it up, at least it's not like North Korea of the USSR where speaking against state positions is/was likely to get you killed.

As for the "appearance", Sweden is cold. The buildings have to be designed warmly- lots of concrete. You see it anywhere with a cold climate. It's not about control.

And no, Sweden will not become a third world country anytime soon- no developed nation will. Look at how a nation BECOMES a developed one and see how difficult it would be for that process to reverse.
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Really Zlinqx, I think most American people know better and all Europeans as well, when I think of Sweden I think of a rich country that has been greatly improving over the past few years, not to mention that we never hear anything bad from you. 

You can't compare Sweden with North Korea and the Soviet Union in that way, it's ridiculous. 
Really Zlinqx, I think most American people know better and all Europeans as well, when I think of Sweden I think of a rich country that has been greatly improving over the past few years, not to mention that we never hear anything bad from you. 

You can't compare Sweden with North Korea and the Soviet Union in that way, it's ridiculous. 
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Just like everyone else has been saying on this thread, that video is more of a lie than a truthful video, because Sweden is no where close to being the next North Korea or the next Soviet Union, the reason why is that Sweden is close allies with the United States and how the United States are with North Korea and the Soviet Union / Russia, it won't happen. Also, they got to realize that they are far worse countries out there that will soon turn into a communist country within the next decade and Sweden isn't one of them, I don't know what that guy is talking about.

If I was that person, I would of done more research before saying a country will be a communist country like North Korea in the future.
Just like everyone else has been saying on this thread, that video is more of a lie than a truthful video, because Sweden is no where close to being the next North Korea or the next Soviet Union, the reason why is that Sweden is close allies with the United States and how the United States are with North Korea and the Soviet Union / Russia, it won't happen. Also, they got to realize that they are far worse countries out there that will soon turn into a communist country within the next decade and Sweden isn't one of them, I don't know what that guy is talking about.

If I was that person, I would of done more research before saying a country will be a communist country like North Korea in the future.
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If anything the US is actually closer to being the USSR and Sweden. Maybe you can confirm what I've been hearing all around: Sweden has privatized/opened to competition pretty much everything that was under state control before the 1990s. I don't think a federal department in the US has ever been abolished after its creation...

Besides, countries like Greece and France now spend a higher % of GDP than Sweden and even Norway.
If anything the US is actually closer to being the USSR and Sweden. Maybe you can confirm what I've been hearing all around: Sweden has privatized/opened to competition pretty much everything that was under state control before the 1990s. I don't think a federal department in the US has ever been abolished after its creation...

Besides, countries like Greece and France now spend a higher % of GDP than Sweden and even Norway.
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07-03-15 08:38 AM
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janus : We have somewhat of a mixed economy, but yeah more or less the only thing only the state is able to sell in stores is alcohol. While the state does offer government run alternatives like with healthcare and school for those who want it or can't afford the alternatives, the private buisness owners are usually free to sell them as well.

While there are problems with the execution of the government run alternatives and not managing them as well as they should be, I think it's generally the best way to go about it, as it gives people the option to choose.


janus : We have somewhat of a mixed economy, but yeah more or less the only thing only the state is able to sell in stores is alcohol. While the state does offer government run alternatives like with healthcare and school for those who want it or can't afford the alternatives, the private buisness owners are usually free to sell them as well.

While there are problems with the execution of the government run alternatives and not managing them as well as they should be, I think it's generally the best way to go about it, as it gives people the option to choose.


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Zlinqx : The key word here: CHOICE. In the US (not sure if the concept exists elsewhere), school choice is now a very mainstream thing. Public, charter, private, out-of-district: the more choices parents have for their children the better-off they are since competition weeds out the incompetents.

But as you said, government-run alternatives are usually... inferior. I'm surprise you say it about Sweden, considering the competition, but it's actually inherent to (almost) all government functioning. Since it does not work for profit, there are therefore no incentives to offer a good service within budgets
Zlinqx : The key word here: CHOICE. In the US (not sure if the concept exists elsewhere), school choice is now a very mainstream thing. Public, charter, private, out-of-district: the more choices parents have for their children the better-off they are since competition weeds out the incompetents.

But as you said, government-run alternatives are usually... inferior. I'm surprise you say it about Sweden, considering the competition, but it's actually inherent to (almost) all government functioning. Since it does not work for profit, there are therefore no incentives to offer a good service within budgets
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janus : I agree. That really is the common trend with most government run services like school. There are only a few that can actually compete with the private alternatives but regardless, it being there is key as many (probably most in the area I live) can't afford going to a private school myself included.

With that said I generally also value having gone to a public school because it gives you a lot of experience that may be useful later.

In our case though I don't think that's the entire reason either, I think our government has made a lot of stupid decisions regarding how to spend our budget that has affected it for the worse recently, the government run schools have been on somewhat of a downwards trend for the most part so there definietly is room for improvement that could make it better perhaps closer to on par with the private schools.
janus : I agree. That really is the common trend with most government run services like school. There are only a few that can actually compete with the private alternatives but regardless, it being there is key as many (probably most in the area I live) can't afford going to a private school myself included.

With that said I generally also value having gone to a public school because it gives you a lot of experience that may be useful later.

In our case though I don't think that's the entire reason either, I think our government has made a lot of stupid decisions regarding how to spend our budget that has affected it for the worse recently, the government run schools have been on somewhat of a downwards trend for the most part so there definietly is room for improvement that could make it better perhaps closer to on par with the private schools.
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Zlinqx : Homeschooling (if it exists in Sweden) is another low-price alternative to public schools. And according to stats, home-schooled children far at least as good as public-school students in standardized tests.

One thing that could help public schools is reforming (or better yet: abolishing) teacher tenure. Too many of my teachers in the past should have been fired outright, but their tenure (and ESPECIALLY their union) would have defended them tooth and nail. That's why charter schools work so well: there is NO tenure.
Zlinqx : Homeschooling (if it exists in Sweden) is another low-price alternative to public schools. And according to stats, home-schooled children far at least as good as public-school students in standardized tests.

One thing that could help public schools is reforming (or better yet: abolishing) teacher tenure. Too many of my teachers in the past should have been fired outright, but their tenure (and ESPECIALLY their union) would have defended them tooth and nail. That's why charter schools work so well: there is NO tenure.
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janus : Homeschooling is an option but many of the same people who can't afford private school also don't have the resources available for homeschooling either even if it may be cheaper.

We already have a hard time getting people to become teachers here so I don't think firing them is going to do us any favours.

One of the recent stupid decisions I was talking about is one made last year called First teacher service. Basically it's purpose was for the school to be able to reward hard working teachers as they could apply for the position in their respective subject and be paid extra.

What this did though is backfire completely, it made it so teachers who didn't get it quit and applied for a job at another school often getting it because teachers are in high demand. Which causes problems as that makes harder for schools to find enough teachers and once we did it really made it harder on us because they knew nothing of what we had worked on in the past.

But yeah there are problems with the teachers as well, I myself had some bad teachers in the past but I luckily did avoid most of them. We actually used to have a decent public school system before but due to all of the decisions made, the poor status of the teacher job in Sweden (effort to become one far from worth the pay) combined with our immigration policy and it's been a constant downwards trend, it is definietly possible to get back to that point but it doesn't seem like the any of the major parties here seem to be aware how.

Anyways this threads discussion went off topic, I feel like there should be a separate thread for it at this point XD So I'll leave it at that for now.
janus : Homeschooling is an option but many of the same people who can't afford private school also don't have the resources available for homeschooling either even if it may be cheaper.

We already have a hard time getting people to become teachers here so I don't think firing them is going to do us any favours.

One of the recent stupid decisions I was talking about is one made last year called First teacher service. Basically it's purpose was for the school to be able to reward hard working teachers as they could apply for the position in their respective subject and be paid extra.

What this did though is backfire completely, it made it so teachers who didn't get it quit and applied for a job at another school often getting it because teachers are in high demand. Which causes problems as that makes harder for schools to find enough teachers and once we did it really made it harder on us because they knew nothing of what we had worked on in the past.

But yeah there are problems with the teachers as well, I myself had some bad teachers in the past but I luckily did avoid most of them. We actually used to have a decent public school system before but due to all of the decisions made, the poor status of the teacher job in Sweden (effort to become one far from worth the pay) combined with our immigration policy and it's been a constant downwards trend, it is definietly possible to get back to that point but it doesn't seem like the any of the major parties here seem to be aware how.

Anyways this threads discussion went off topic, I feel like there should be a separate thread for it at this point XD So I'll leave it at that for now.
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Zlinqx : I admit that "permitting" firing might be a double-edged sword. It will add more stress... but it would also incentivize teachers to innovate so their pupils can improve their performance. Charter schools are doing just that: hold teachers accountable for their students' success. Personnel roll out is very high, but those that do stay enjoy their work.

One thing is for sure: the actual tenure system is both obsolete and costly. To quote someone: Can you imagine the harm caused to children when their tenured teacher disgusts them from learning at an early age?
Zlinqx : I admit that "permitting" firing might be a double-edged sword. It will add more stress... but it would also incentivize teachers to innovate so their pupils can improve their performance. Charter schools are doing just that: hold teachers accountable for their students' success. Personnel roll out is very high, but those that do stay enjoy their work.

One thing is for sure: the actual tenure system is both obsolete and costly. To quote someone: Can you imagine the harm caused to children when their tenured teacher disgusts them from learning at an early age?
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There are some "interesting" people in the world overall. Some people believe certain things and some others will obviously follow. One thing is for sure. Not everyone knows everything, but they want to come off as smart, so they try to convince others about this. However, there is the difference between a smart person making the occasionally mistake, and a person trying to act smart, but making more mistakes. It's kind of something you just got to deal with. But in the end?There's certainly more then one thing that ends up being wrong.
There are some "interesting" people in the world overall. Some people believe certain things and some others will obviously follow. One thing is for sure. Not everyone knows everything, but they want to come off as smart, so they try to convince others about this. However, there is the difference between a smart person making the occasionally mistake, and a person trying to act smart, but making more mistakes. It's kind of something you just got to deal with. But in the end?There's certainly more then one thing that ends up being wrong.
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Very ridiculous...enough said
Very ridiculous...enough said
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