mcollins12321 :  The Rules of the Screenshot competetion said that the money is only nessacary for a TieBreaker between the pokedex numbers. i dont think davideo7 could change the rules now . otherwise it would not be fair for anybody that had that much money and pokedex numbers

If we are just going by money, then this is my final submission.

Personally every time there is one of these contests I always assume there are several players that have maxed (Or close to it) based on how Popular the Pokemon games are on this site. I mean heck they are by far the most played games on the site.

I accidentally posted the wrong screen shot, here is the right one.

Done ! 251 pokemons and max money

Since so many users are tied with Max Pokedex score and Money, the 3rd tie breaker rule would be whoever has the smallest play time.

Changing the rules so late ... if I was danielbelitch or mcollins12321 I'd be really disappointed, the first one spent a lot of extra time searching for unobtainable pokemons (before the update of the rom) and the second one is already out of the top 3 and he played as hard as the other ones.

satanos : So how would you expect me to go about handling a tie breaker in a situation where multiple users maxed out Money and Pokedex?

Davideo7 : Why not a massive tie at 1st place with all the ones with max pokedex and money ?

Davideo7 :
I dislike using playtime as a winner decider as well, even if it benefits me, because that is something that should be said at the start of a competition. I had thought it was natural that the next tie breaker would be first to post it as such, but starting to question that as well, and perhaps that should have been mentioned at in the beginning/early as well.

It is something to learn from for future contests; include a clause of either playtime or first to post the best possible statistics (whichever seems best to you) at the start or at least before the half-way mark of a contest's time limit.

Even though as it stands, I am propped up for a winner, I think a tie is fine, BUT that would be there is no second or third place, as we have already crossed at least three winners. If you do not feel comfortable giving out 10k Viz to each winner, than perhaps pool the 1st, second, and third prize money together, and divide it among the winners. It may be annoying not to get the full amount of money, but I do think it seems the most fair at this point.

satanos : I don't want a 5+ way tie for first, it messed up the RGR Competition Hall of Fame and that's just too much Viz to hand out.

ruesen : I really didn't expect anyone to max out both things, that's never happened before in a Pokemon competition and I've held a few like this one. I guess I'll end up discussing it with the staff as to which solution is the best.

Davideo7 : One reason it might not have happened before could be similar situations to what we were dealing with before the ROM update. I've only participated in the EMERALD 386 one in the past, but I also recall not only the Tickets in the game not working (leading to no Mew, etc) for me, but I eventually made a saved state error after getting used to passing the E4 and was no longer able to play (this was before fixing the M1 circuit problem).

So not only does being able to pass the League again make obtaining money quite simple by use of the Amulet Coin, but this hack also lived up to its name. I know it would kick me out of the competition at this point, but as I stated in a previous reply to this thread, I agree that Play Time is the only other way to determine the winners. I think some may argue that it should've been previously announced at the start so that we had more control of it, but I believe that the determining factor at this point MUST be something we no longer have control of so that we don't continue to have unbreakable ties. 

I personally don't see the big issue with that factor not being announced. It might've actually been a good idea not to announce the Money factor either, but there would be more applicable arguments against that statement. 

danielbelitch : I disagree, it should be announced before because in this case anything could be a tie breaker : keeping the masterball, number of shineys caught, the money mom keeps ... As it wasn't in the rules as we enter the contest (and in a game in which we can use save state and speedup) it's not fair, as an example, catching Entei Raikou Suicune, I ended using save state (and I didn't use it before in the game) because they were so annoying, but tried a few days to catch them not using it, just to be a bit more "legal" (to me). Then, this contest is a not a speedrun it's more like "endurance" some people play without speedup, some play with save state, as there was no more rules than money and pokedex.

And davideo7, "too much Viz to hand out", seriously ? You are the owner, founder and admin here, and Viz are virtual, you didn't expect that, it's okay, but finishing out of the top 3 with a full pokedex and max money as stated in the rules ... Playing hardly this contest should be rewarded, just to support players to enter other contests. Anyway, I agree with ruesen, if there is no other solution than pulling the 1st 2nd 3rd reward and sharing them, I don't need any Viz personally.

satanos : I have an endless amount of Viz but if I just hand out 10,000s of it, it dilutes the system and destroys its value. The other issue is a ton of users with a tie for 1st, I just don't like handing out more than 1 1st place per a competition (especially since users who get 1st place get ranked in the Hall of Fame thread). It's possible to have a lot of people tied for 1st in this competition if I don't come up with another solution to break those ties.

The staff will come up with a solution on what they think is fair.

danielbelitch : Yeah the 1M Circuit has a lot to do with this.

satanos : I just wanted to agree with you to an extent, but you see that's why the time would be a good concept--it also roughly measures the efficiency of our methods in capturing all the Pokemon. 

Anyways, just wanted to add that last bit of info, I know it's up to the staff now. We can trust them. Also (by no means do I intend to spam), I just wanted to add this as to say "good thing I already posted my time, cause it's WAY up there now." lol But now I am content and this is more like my Gold cartridge.

Davideo7 : I know about destroying the value, but aren't we very far from that ? As we stand (7 days before the end of the contest) we are 4 tied to 1st place, and if the tie breaker is the play time there is no midway between "not destroying the value" and "playing hard a contest, earning nothing because of a late rules change/ don't want to enter another contest afterwards" as the Viz are a way to encourage to "participating to the site".

(I wish it's not too loud to read me, English is not my native language.)

danielbelitch : other subject : which were the hardest pokemon you catch ? Did you catch any shineys ? Which pokemon did you use the most in your ride ?

For my part :

Hardest to Catch : Omanyte and Slowking were a pain (and Entei with "Roar" over "Mean Look).
Shiney : I caught a shiny Aipom, fallen from a tree as I was searching a Heracross.
Main pokemons : Quagsire and my starter, Typhlosion.

A funny thing : I searched Celebi for about 20 min, then I found him and when I was about to throw the pokeball "the box is full" ... oh sh*t ! I changed the box and came back and caught Celebi in less than 5 min .

Not sure if already mentioned, but at the beginning of the month, the hack was incomplete and it had to be updated to make all Pokémon found in the wild.  For example, the level 94 Flaffy but instead of Gengar.  I know I, and I assume many others, spent a lot of time searching for Pokémon that weren't there before the update.  This obviously shot up my playtime since I was basically running around for hours holding the space bar looking for them.  With this in mind, I believe it is an unfortunate circumstance, but playtime should not be the third tiebreaker.   I think the only solution is to give a slightly reduced amount of Viz to each member  tied for first with a full Pokedex and max money. This should be used as a cautionary tale for future competitions.  In those future competitions, the hack she be confirmed that its description is accurate and some sort of fair tiebreaker set up.  Still, I had fun in this competition and I look forward to more like it in the future.

Davideo7 :   I'm not sure what I thought when I first saw your initial announcement from yesterday, but I believe the words that came to my lips were, "My, how fitting!" The more I think about it, the more I realize this could open up the competition for a much wider range of competitors. Anybody that has been training all month but has not posted yet could potentially beat the top four posters (mcollin, DAN, satanos and current 1st Ruesen). Players on par with myself, bocoom, firewave and JIMMY TheeDragoniteMaster could take the top spot, provided they complete every available Pokedex page, have 999,999 money and beat the clock! This new tiebreaker (not a rule, a tiebreaker) , which you have full authority to edict under the provisions of the Vizzed Competition Act is perfectly fair and will bring much more popularity to this contest. This will ultimately benefit the Vizzed World and site in ways I have yet to imagine. I hope the staff members will agree. Thank you.

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