If we have so few people paying attention that we weren't able to veto the Alex Smith for Kendall Hunter trade, then the rest of the season is gonna suck. What an absolutely one sided trade...

soxfan849 : I honestly didn't even initiate that trade. Green Bay All Day needed a good RB because Green Bay All Day has no good RBs, the RBs on that team only scored 1 point each last week (plus they only have 2 RBs). Plus Green Bay All Day had 2 QBs and gave me the backup QB so it was no loss for them (plus they have Robert Griffin III, that guy has already proven to be a high scoring player). I would've definitely thrown another player in the deal but Green Bay All Day seemed desperate for a decent RB.

If you really had a problem with the trade though, I would've vetoed it myself to cancel the trade.

I wouldn't worry about me though. Even though I finally have a QB, I'm still no threat. My draft was so terrible that it'll be almost near impossible for me to make the playoffs this year.

Davideo7 :

I think the idea behind that train of thought is that Alex Smith is a better QB than Kendall Hunter is a RB.

Alex Smith is a projected 23rd best QB, but in actuality is closer to top 14.

As for Kendall Hunter?

Not even projected top 25. Nor top 25 in performance.

Any way you look at it, Kendall Hunter for Alex Smith isn't a very fair trade. Which is why I also put in a veto on it.

legacyme3 : If every trade was 100% fair, than there'd be no possible way for someone who had an unlucky draft to work their way to having any sort of chance. In other words, that would make Fantasy Football mostly luck.

legacyme3 : Btw, Kendall Hunter's Projected Season Rank is 176 while Alex Smith's Projected Season rank is 178. So if you look at it based on what they're capable of throughout the entire season, they're about even. RB's are usually considered the most valuable position in Fantasy Football and the rule of thumb with Fantasy Football is that your first draft pick should almost always be an RB.

Davideo7 :

That's pretty much what it is. Luck. Example, luck was the reason STL Vizzed was in the finals. Luck was the reason I lost in the first round. Luck is the reason I got Aaron Rodgers this year.

I'm not arguing it from your point of view, but I'm questioning the OTHER players motives. He made his team clearly worse, and I can't see why he'd do that.

If he was trading it for something he needed, it would be one thing, but he traded you one of his QB, for his THIRD STRING RUNNING BACK.

If he had gotten a WR, like... Greg Jennings back, it may have been a little more fair.

Also, to the team that offered me Phillip Rivers in an Aaron Rodgers trade... you would have had a FAR BETTER CHANCE IF YOU HAD ONCE OFFERED MATTHEW STAFFORD.

legacyme3 : I understand where you're coming from, be sure to read my argument in the double post I made.

Davideo7 :

Projected ranks aren't much when you consider how valued they are in relation to other picks.

It's what most people use to trick people into a lopsided trade

When I look at an offer, I see what I'm giving up, and what I'm getting.

If I'm giving up a top 10 QB, I expect a top 10 RB, WR, TE, or whatever, in return for me to even consider it. You may see it as "well, their projected ranks are close", but I see it as "I'm trading away a running back who is doing nothing compared to other running backs for a QB in the top 25. Progress!"

edit - I'm not saying I think you did something wrong, I'm just saying this should be more reason why we have a commisioner veto option as opposed to "league votes". We will never again have a veto'd trade using league votes, as teams are already going inactive, and a league votes option only works in active leagues.

legacyme3 : Since when is Alex Smith considered a top 10 QB? I'd say top 25 but definitely not top 10. A lot of the time, a player's value is just a matter of opinion. Only 1 week has gone by and there's plenty of weeks left for a player to prove them self.

Is anybody interested in making a K trade? I think my Kicker is not that good.

legacyme3 : It's a good option to trade my K player?

Seishiro Leonhart : "I think my Kicker is not that good"

Your kicker isn't on a TEAM. Yeah, find a kicker. I'd suggest looking for one in the Free Agency. Or here: http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/306284/players?refteam=9

Davideo7 :

I wasn't saying Alex Smith was top 10, I was using top 10 as an example.

For example, I have Aaron Rodgers. I'm not going to trade him for someone who is projected around the same in points, unless they are ALSO at the top of their position.

Seishiro Leonhart :

... yes. Very very yes. Find a kicker. Any kicker. Someone. Anyone.

Seishiro Leonhart : I sent you a trade proposal that according to the projections will benefit us both.

megamanmaniac : Sorry dude, the trade looks good and all, but I would have a slight point decrease.

If you're looking for a RB, use pacman's link he posted, it should help you.

legacyme3 : I tried to change Nick for Ressel something,  And then I changed Ressel for a John guy, was taht a good choice?

And could you tell me which players you'd recommend me to change?

Davideo7 :

The biggest problem is that there are running backs on the free agency who are worth about as much as that guy. She could easily have picked up someone of essentially equal value without giving up someone as valuable as Alex Smith. Your team clearly benefited from the trade, and hers didn't.

And I wasn't blaming you for the trade. But the fact that it didn't get vetoed reflects poorly on how much attention the other owners are paying.

soxfan849 : But he's projected to score way more points this season than any of the RBs. He's projected to score 105 points this season, the available RB who comes closest to that is Mike Goodson at 64.

I agree that the trade was in my favor but it doesn't hurt her team at all. And the trade wasn't as one sided as some trades I've seen.

Davideo7 :

That's a difference of less than 3 points per game. It's not enough of an improvement to justify trading away a starting QB. And let's face it, Kendall Hunter isn't more valuable than Alex Smith no matter what the projected rankings say. But whatever, I'm done complaining now. If I don't like a trade I'll post in here first and see what other people think next time. As far as I care at this point, your trade never happened.

mncymk :

Seriously, man, put Willis McGahee in your empty running back spot. If you had done that last week instead of starting no one (the stupidest thing you can do), you would have won.

Seishiro Leonhart :

You picked up another kicker that isn't on a team, so he won't score you any points either. But the thing is, there are no kickers left on the free agency that are on a team right now. I offered you Billy Cundiff (one of the best fantasy kickers this year) for BenJarvus Green-Ellis. My thought process is that Green-Ellis only outscores Cundiff by a few points each week, and by starting a decent running back in his place (like your current backup) and a kicker that actually scores, your team improves or breaks even almost every week (every week except Cundiff's bye week, in fact).

legacyme3 :
soxfan849 : I honestly had no idea anyone had a problem with it, if I did I would've cancelled the trade. If it fixes things, I'll give him back to Green Bay All Day once the week is over.

Davideo7 :

I don't care enough to make you do that. Life goes on. I'll voice any future complaints before a trade goes through.